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Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling?

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Has Dennis reached his ceiling at age 24?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:51 pm

No, Still has room to grow
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Too soon to tell
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Yes, he'll never be better than his today
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Total votes: 15

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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#41 » by MaceCase » Tue May 15, 2018 12:03 pm

Spud2nique wrote:Still think Dennis needs to shut his sausage eatin hole up. Don’t worry about your friends around the league, worry about your employer, the Hawks, you’re under contract so shut up and play. Damn I hate these privileged new age generation. And here I thought my generation was spoiled...

Yea, that Budenholzer with his smart phones and facebooks and what not! Oh, we're talking about Dennis? My bad.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#42 » by reazun » Tue May 15, 2018 12:31 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Schro needs to realise that if he wants a trade Tschlenk is his best friend. Like to have more context on Schro's statements. Hope he isn't dumb enough to be decreacing his already low trade value


I am guessing he thought this wouldnt get to the NBA b/c it was in Germany...which is of course...was not very smart. I wonder if he cares if he starts or not...I dont think he would start over Bledsoe and he might not start over Collison. I agree we need more context, but he is acting like he is an all star calibur player. If he goes to either of those teams he will likely come off the bench imo. Yeah, Schroder scored a little more than both of them this, but thats b/c he had more chances to shoot. He is not as efficient in scoring as either of them and he is just not overall better in other areas either.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#43 » by jayu70 » Tue May 15, 2018 12:45 pm

reazun wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Schro needs to realise that if he wants a trade Tschlenk is his best friend. Like to have more context on Schro's statements. Hope he isn't dumb enough to be decreacing his already low trade value


I am guessing he thought this wouldnt get to the NBA b/c it was in Germany...which is of course...was not very smart. I wonder if he cares if he starts or not...I dont think he would start over Bledsoe and he might not start over Collison. I agree we need more context, but he is acting like he is an all star calibur player. If he goes to either of those teams he will likely come off the bench imo. Yeah, Schroder scored a little more than both of them this, but thats b/c he had more chances to shoot. He is not as efficient in scoring as either of them and he is just not overall better in other areas either.

Of course he knew it would get back, he did the same about wanting to be starter before Teague was traded.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#44 » by macd-gm » Tue May 15, 2018 1:18 pm

I don't know what the big deal here is. Dennis was Bud's project. He'll be gone soon and he knows it. When you're the best player (left) on the team and you're 24 years old and the new GM's first words are : 'we don't have a franchise player on the team right now' then the writing is kind of on the wall.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#45 » by ATL Boy » Tue May 15, 2018 3:46 pm

He's now unfollowed the Hawks on Instagram and removed all of his Hawks pictures.

This feels completely different than when Julio Jones did it. Felt like Julio was posturing for a new contract (I think he still is) while Dennis is trying to leave.

I can't wait for Schlenk to ship him out, but it'll have to be after the legal case at the very least.


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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#46 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 15, 2018 3:55 pm

This is what rebuilds look like, folks.

Get on board...or get out of the way.

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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#47 » by Rocketsbaby » Tue May 15, 2018 4:55 pm

his ceiling or his floor?

If you guys can get out of his contract it would be huge. Giant defensive liability, should not be starting in the league for a winner IMO.

When people say someone is an average starter... well if you have an average player at each position the theoretically you are 41-41 and either out of the playoffs or first round fodder vs a good team.

Accumulating a bunch of "average" talent should not be the goal of any organization, particularly when you don't have a foundation established yet.

Beyond that Point guard is certainly not the position to try to land an "average" one. It's just too difficult to build any sort of winner that way and there are plenty of veteran guys floating around the league usually like darren collison, andre miller types that you can patch up the position if absolute need be for a year or two.

I would get him outta there just so he's not in the locker room with your young guys
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#48 » by macd-gm » Tue May 15, 2018 4:58 pm

I like Dennis but he isn't a guy i'm worried about replacing. Honestly, it was a little weird that he was Bud's guy because he isn't good at Bud ball. At least the type of ball we played Bud's first 3 years. I felt like Bud changed up his style to try to suit Dennis better. Or maybe it was the loss of Horford but either way. I can live with Taylor at point for a year honestly.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#49 » by kg01 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:18 pm

I'll come to Dennis' defense here a bit. It's tough to judge him based on these last 2 years (1 with Dwhine and 1 tank year). The thing we fell in (relative) love with him for was pretty much the thing that's causing us grief right now. His attitude.

I still recall AverageAl, ChillSap andJeffrey being our supposed vet leaders but totally bending over for the Cavs in multiple years. Meanwhile, Dennis actually tried while them "solid" vets were self-checking out there. He was the only one not scared out there both offensively and defensively. Not sure where he lost that but I suspect it was coached out of him to a degree.

Would I be surprised to see him traded? No. Honestly, based on these recent comments, he should be traded. But I'm not gonna run him down as a player based on a year with DysfunctionalDwight and 1 year where we were trying to lose.

I'd prefer he get on-board with whatever CLP is trying to institute here. At least give the new HC a chance, see what his vision is, before checking out.

If not, good luck elsewhere ... until you play the Hawks. Hope we get a good enough package in return.

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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#50 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 15, 2018 5:28 pm

kg01 wrote:I'll come to Dennis' defense here a bit.

He was the only one not scared out there both offensively and defensively. Not sure where he lost that but I suspect it was coached out of him to a degree.




Interesting...very interesting.


My first phone call would be to Brooklyn who seems to be constantly collecting under achieving young players on less than stellar contracts.

Maybe to Utah in a swap of not awesome players.


Basically to any coach that Dennis played under earlier in his career.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#51 » by kg01 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:38 pm

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kg01 wrote:I'll come to Dennis' defense here a bit.

He was the only one not scared out there both offensively and defensively. Not sure where he lost that but I suspect it was coached out of him to a degree.


Interesting...very interesting.

My first phone call would be to Brooklyn who seems to be constantly collecting under achieving young players on less than stellar contracts.

Maybe to Utah in a swap of not awesome players.


Basically to any coach that Dennis played under earlier in his career.


It's not as "interesting" as you want it to be or, taken another way, it's not a coaching failing you can pin on Coach Buttz like we all know you want to. I'm referring to something as simple as Dennis being told that, as a starter, he shouldn't be defending guys 94 feet anymore.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#52 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 15, 2018 6:05 pm

kg01 wrote:It's not as "interesting" as you want it to be or, taken another way, it's not a coaching failing you can pin on Coach Buttz like we all know you want to. I'm referring to something as simple as Dennis being told that, as a starter, he shouldn't be defending guys 94 feet anymore.




Si.

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I'm very intrigued.


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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#53 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 15, 2018 6:15 pm

Schroder’s discontent is understandable, and he’s handling it reasonably. He just wants to talk to the Hawks about their direction. He didn’t say he’s demanding or even requesting a trade. Why should he want to spend his prime on a bad team? The Hawks were so lousy, they’d have to improve to reach second-to-last in the Eastern Conference. At 24-58, they were dead last.

Most teams have either a better starting point guard or a younger point guard to build around. A few could trade for Schroder, but it’s a narrow market.

He and the Hawks might just be stuck together.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#54 » by macd-gm » Tue May 15, 2018 8:00 pm

kg01 wrote:I'll come to Dennis' defense here a bit. It's tough to judge him based on these last 2 years (1 with Dwhine and 1 tank year). The thing we fell in (relative) love with him for was pretty much the thing that's causing us grief right now. His attitude.

I still recall AverageAl, ChillSap andJeffrey being our supposed vet leaders but totally bending over for the Cavs in multiple years. Meanwhile, Dennis actually tried while them "solid" vets were self-checking out there. He was the only one not scared out there both offensively and defensively. Not sure where he lost that but I suspect it was coached out of him to a degree.

Would I be surprised to see him traded? No. Honestly, based on these recent comments, he should be traded. But I'm not gonna run him down as a player based on a year with DysfunctionalDwight and 1 year where we were trying to lose.

I'd prefer he get on-board with whatever CLP is trying to institute here. At least give the new HC a chance, see what his vision is, before checking out.

If not, good luck elsewhere ... until you play the Hawks. Hope we get a good enough package in return.

ETA: And, how dare you, macd?! You'd rather see Taylor at the point? Really? For shame ...


I never said I'd rather. I said I can live with it for a year.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#55 » by jayu70 » Tue May 15, 2018 9:42 pm

Per CLP (radio) he had a great conversation with Dennis (and all the players) when he took the job.
He was asked about Dennis deleting Instagram hawks related stuff, said he himself has followed and unfollowed, will not hold it against him.
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Re: Has Dennis Schroder reached his ceiling? 

Post#56 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 16, 2018 11:45 am

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