2018 NBA Draft Thread

Matches Malone · Post #1081 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon May 14, 2018 3:40 pm

I guess I'd be okay with Holiday at #17 but he's definitely more of a safe pick. Considering we could be left with just Giannis after next off season (EB,KM, MB contracts), I'd rather take a look at someone like Mitchell Robinson or Anfernee Simons. More boom or bust.

JayMKE · Post #1082 » by **JayMKE** » Mon May 14, 2018 3:54 pm

When is the combine? I think I need to be able to fap over measurements before I start making stong opinions.

emunney · Post #1083 » by **emunney** » Mon May 14, 2018 4:17 pm

I don't view Holiday as a safe pick at all.

Matches Malone · Post #1084 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon May 14, 2018 4:21 pm

emunney wrote:I don't view Holiday as a safe pick at all.

Why is that?

LuessiT · Post #1085 » by **LuessiT** » Mon May 14, 2018 4:46 pm

JayMKE wrote:When is the combine? I think I need to be able to fap over measurements before I start making stong opinions.

16-20

LuessiT · Post #1086 » by **LuessiT** » Mon May 14, 2018 4:57 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
emunney wrote:I don't view Holiday as a safe pick at all.

Why is that?

Who is he guarding? At best he's a one position defender, at worst he can't defend anyone. Doesn't have the passing and ball skills to be a true PG. Has been bothered by size and length at the rim and that will only get worse. His ability to score in volume won't be as important at the next level due to a diminished role. There are a few other things but mostly those.

knoxcreek · Post #1087 » by **knoxcreek** » Mon May 14, 2018 9:52 pm

Williams, Thomas, Brown, Holiday, Bates-Diop...trade back to get a late 1st & mid rd 2nd

Frank Nova · Post #1088 » by **Frank Nova** » Tue May 15, 2018 2:15 am

I'm really coming around on Lonnie Walker, he is a freak athlete to the fullest and he has a nice. Some of his highlights are insanely fun to watch, he makes some really incredible finishes at the rim. Khryi Thomas and now Walker have quickly become favorites of mine. I think those 2 are the best guards that have a chance to be available unless Sexton Young or SGA falls.

Douggystyle29 · Post #1089 » by **Douggystyle29** » Tue May 15, 2018 3:54 am

VooDoo7 wrote:Right now I'm leaning towards Zhaire Smith if he's there @17. He definitely needs to improve on his shot (especially off the dribble), but if he had that already he'd be a top 10 pick.

So many things to like about him tho.

I completely agree. He shot a high percentage 3 at over 40% but at a low volume. He is going to be an absolute lock down defender at the least, and should be able to defend 3 positions. His athleticism is ridiculous. I usually shy away from guards that aren't known as shooters but I think he can develop a consistent shot with time. I think he would be a top 5 pick if he was regarded as a shooter also. I'm worried that after the combine he will not be in our range actually.

emunney · Post #1090 » by **emunney** » Tue May 15, 2018 4:09 am

Matches Malone wrote:
emunney wrote:I don't view Holiday as a safe pick at all.

Why is that?

Well, he doesn't have the skill level to play on the ball full time in the NBA right now, so you're talking about a 6-1 shooting guard with inconsistent focus if he doesn't improve. He can get to the paint (with tons of shooters around him) and make tough shots, but he's not a good decision maker.

If Boobie Gibson is safe then maybe he's safe.

Gam · Post #1091 » by **Gam** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:24 am

emunney wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
emunney wrote:I don't view Holiday as a safe pick at all.

Why is that?

Well, he doesn't have the skill level to play on the ball full time in the NBA right now, so you're talking about a 6-1 shooting guard with inconsistent focus if he doesn't improve. He can get to the paint (with tons of shooters around him) and make tough shots, but he's not a good decision maker.

If Boobie Gibson is safe then maybe he's safe.

Give me Okobo over Holiday 100 times out of 100 if we're looking for a PG that should absolutely be there at 17.

drone3 · Post #1092 » by **drone3** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:35 am

If Indi get Khyri Thomas I'm going to freak. Dipo and Khyri are an absolute powerhouse.

Gam · Post #1093 » by **Gam** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 am

I'm all in on Jontay Porter, call me insane, and feel free to dig this post up 3 years from now if it makes me look like a dumbass, but I'd have him 6th (Doncic, JJJ, Ayton, Trae, Bamba) on my board if I were the Bucks.

1) He's a stretch 5 who can really pass, has good hands, sets good screens, and boxes out. The exact archetype you want to pair with Giannis.

2) Has arguably a top 5 bbiq in this class, and easily the highest bbiq of a big man.

3) He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft class and age is the biggest predictor of over-preforming relative to draft position.

4) He's got the type of frame that should benefit tremendously from an NBA conditioning program, and looks like it'll be able to put on muscle easily (aka not henson or thon).

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Jez2983 · Post #1094 » by **Jez2983** » Tue May 15, 2018 9:48 am

Gam wrote:I'm all in on Jontay Porter, call me insane, and feel free to dig this post up 3 years from now if it makes me look like a dumbass, but I'd have him 6th (Doncic, JJJ, Ayton, Trae, Bamba) on my board if I were the Bucks.

1) He's a stretch 5 who can really pass, has good hands, sets good screens, and boxes out. The exact archetype you want to pair with Giannis.

2) Has arguably a top 5 bbiq in this class, and easily the highest bbiq of a big man.

3) He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft class and age is the biggest predictor of over-preforming relative to draft position.

4) He's got the type of frame that should benefit tremendously from an NBA conditioning, and looks like it'll be able to put on muscle easily (aka not henson or thon).

Season Highlights:

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I'd love to see him pushing into the basket a bit more but it looks like he has some good footwork to get closer to the basket.

How is he on D and the boards?

drone3 · Post #1095 » by **drone3** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:00 am

After drafting Thon and DJ I really can't see FO going for Jontay, another tweener PF/C. He's a smart player with a nice shot, great passer but he would struggle defending both PF and C. He's not great on the boards either something we are desperate for.

Gam · Post #1096 » by **Gam** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:01 am

Jez2983 wrote:
Gam wrote:I'm all in on Jontay Porter...
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call me insane, and feel free to dig this post up 3 years from now if it makes me look like a dumbass, but I'd have him 6th (Doncic, JJJ, Ayton, Trae, Bamba) on my board if I were the Bucks.

1) He's a stretch 5 who can really pass, has good hands, sets good screens, and boxes out. The exact archetype you want to pair with Giannis.

2) Has arguably a top 5 bbiq in this class, and easily the highest bbiq of a big man.

3) He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft class and age is the biggest predictor of over-preforming relative to draft position.

4) He's got the type of frame that should benefit tremendously from an NBA conditioning, and looks like it'll be able to put on muscle easily (aka not henson or thon).

Season Highlights:

Watch on YouTube

I'd love to see him pushing into the basket a bit more but it looks like he has some good footwork to get closer to the basket.

How is he on D and the boards?

I think he'll be an above average defender at the 5 eventually, probably sooner than later, and certainly should get played off the court with switches in the POs like some bigs do. Think Ersan, but with a lot more upside.

He doesn't project to be a great rebounder, mainly because he doesn't have great length or leaping ability, but he's got great hands and boxes out well. We don't need a great rebounder at the 5 with Giannis being an elite rebounder at the 4 IMO, and he'll certainly be better than either Thon or Henson on the boards.

Gam · Post #1097 » by **Gam** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:10 am

drone3 wrote:After drafting Thon and DJ I really can't see FO going for Jontay, another tweener PF/C. He's a smart player with a nice shot, great passer but he would struggle defending both PF and C. He's not great on the boards either something we are desperate for.

I disagree that he's a tweener, he's clearly a 5 in the modern NBA. And comparing him to Thon or DJ is just lazy, other than being able to shoot (maybe) and being tall(ish) they have no real similarities.

Much better comparisons would be poor-man's Jokic, or bizzaro American Ersan. Or even Marc Gasol lite, Kelly Olynik++, or taller Marcus Morris with a brain.

M-C-G · Post #1098 » by **M-C-G** » Tue May 15, 2018 12:30 pm

I do think having Giannis allows us to take a guy like Porter. Just a clever looking player and nice quick stroke from deep. I get the appeal for sure.

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Douggystyle29 · Post #1099 » by **Douggystyle29** » Tue May 15, 2018 12:43 pm

I'm really starting to like Chimezi Metu from USC in the second round. If only we could buy a pick or something. I went back and watched more video of Zhaire Smith. His shot isn't that bad at all. He kicks out his shooting elbow a little bit but I think that is easily adjusted. Actually he seems to have a really nice high release. He has a beautiful 10-15 foot shot. All of his flaws are very correctable IMO. I know we badly need a big man that rebounds and plays defense but Smith is way too talented to pass up. If Smith is there at 17 you don't hesitate to pull the trigger. He is going to be as stud.

M-C-G · Post #1100 » by **M-C-G** » Tue May 15, 2018 12:46 pm

Douggystyle29 wrote:I'm really starting to like Chimezi Metu from USC in the second round. If only we could buy a pick or something. I went back and watched more video of Zhaire Smith. His shot isn't that bad at all. He kicks out his shooting elbow a little bit but I think that is easily adjusted. Actually he seems to have a really nice high release. He has a beautiful 10-15 foot shot. All of his flaws are very correctable IMO. I know we badly need a big man that rebounds and plays defense but Smith is way too talented to pass up. If Smith is there at 17 you don't hesitate to pull the trigger. He is going to be as stud.

There are at least two teams with I think 4 second rounders this year. It will be a good year for buying them.

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