Trae Young

[bwgood77]

Not arguing, just looking at other angles...
Fatigue, shot selection - He's a rare guy who will have to dial it back from his college role rather than expand. He had the WHOLE game plan and offensive responsibility on him from day 1.

Size, strength - he's obviously not Lonzo Ball physically but he's just as far from Isaiah Thomas. He's listed at 6'2. He doesn't have the wingspan of Donovan Mitchell but he also doesn't have the T-Rex reach of JJ Reddick either. He's not a "freak athlete" but he's obviously exceptionally fast with the ball and has great agility with the ball or he'd never get off a shot. He shot most of his barrage of shots off of his own dribble, unlike most prolific 3-point shooters.

Defense - admittedly weak but I tend to think the gameplan for his team was for him to rest a bit on D and be 100% responsible for the offense on every play. His interviews and success reveal a smart, analytical, articulate kid who grew up in a basketball home and can likely adapt to well-coached team defensive schemes that play to his strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

I'm not a blind apologist for Trae...I just think the fall in his evaluation is WAY overstated and he'll be (at least) a very good pro...(notice I didn't say Steph Curry - but there are a lot of parallels in their games). I hope the Magic get him.

Yeah, I hope the Suns get him if they fall to 3.

[Stillwater]

shoe deals in the mix already etc this guy is going to get over picked for his chucking 9 times out of 10 and be a bust if his low release forces him to take shots even farther out than he did in college to be open. . Better off going late lottery to LAC where they can pick a Zhaire Smith or Khyri Thomas to play next to him because Young projects to have zero defensive ability at the next level given his grade school wingspan. We'll see if I am wrong after the combine, but I wouldn't take him unless I had a defensive specialist 2 guard which to me makes his highest reasonable landing spot higher than 12 at 9th to NY.

[RookieStar]

*sigh* im folloqing tgis thread because it looks like my team will pick him followibg our craptastic luck in the lotto

[WalterBenjamin]

If he can show that he can gain strenght I would pick him 2-3. Yeah he will be a liability on D but that O will be really hard to come by from any PG in the near future drafts. People have to much Iseah Thomas bias now. If any guard can replicate his O from last season bad D or not he is a top 3-4 guy in nearly evry draft.

People got to much into analysing players D from a perspective that LeBron will attack that player. IT was good enough to get past Chicago with Butler and Wizards with Beal and Wall. Trae Young will be just fine in the NBA.

[Hoopz Afrik]

*sigh* im folloqing tgis thread because it looks like my team will pick him followibg our craptastic luck in the lotto

That might not be such a bad situation for you all

[jimross]

Young would be a perfect fit next to Ntilikina in NY.

[Shady Franchise]

If he can show that he can gain strenght I would pick him 2-3. Yeah he will be a liability on D but that O will be really hard to come by from any PG in the near future drafts. People have to much Iseah Thomas bias now. If any guard can replicate his O from last season bad D or not he is a top 3-4 guy in nearly evry draft.

People got to much into analysing players D from a perspective that LeBron will attack that player. IT was good enough to get past Chicago with Butler and Wizards with Beal and Wall. Trae Young will be just fine in the NBA.

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

[Shady Franchise]

shoe deals in the mix already etc this guy is going to get over picked for his chucking 9 times out of 10 and be a bust if his low release forces him to take shots even farther out than he did in college to be open. . Better off going late lottery to LAC where they can pick a Zhaire Smith or Khyri Thomas to play next to him because Young projects to have zero defensive ability at the next level given his grade school wingspan. We'll see if I am wrong after the combine, but I wouldn't take him unless I had a defensive specialist 2 guard which to me makes his highest reasonable landing spot higher than 12 at 9th to NY.

Orlando has Ross, so Young next to Ross is exactly what you're proposing above. No need to wait to 9.

[Shady Franchise]

*sigh* im folloqing tgis thread because it looks like my team will pick him followibg our craptastic luck in the lotto

Let me guess, you were in the Doncic or bust group?

[WalterBenjamin]

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

[Shady Franchise]

He has already put on 11 LBS of muscle from what I'm hearing on the Magic board. There is a pic circulation from last night too where he is standing next to Sexton and he looks a lot bigger than him. It looks like he has been putting in work! I think he's headed to Orl.

I am affraid that you won't get him. Lets not forget that Young will be the best player in this draft in shooting drills for teams. The Bagley redundancy at Atlanta may be the deciding factor.

I agree, as I think he is exactly what Orlando needs (assuming they miss out on Doncic). Let's say its something like:
Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley
JJJ/Bamba

That leaves Orlando with the guy Dallas doesn't take (JJJ/Bamba) or Porter. I don't think Orl can go wrong with either JJJ or Porter, but I would really like Young.

[WalterBenjamin]

I agree, as I think he is exactly what Orlando needs (assuming they miss out on Doncic). Let's say its something like:
Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley
JJJ/Bamba

That leaves Orlando with the guy Dallas doesn't take (JJJ/Bamba) or Porter. I don't think Orl can go wrong with either JJJ or Porter, but I would really like Young.

I think they can miss in that scenario. I really really don't like JJJ for Orlando. I think he vould be missused missdiagnosed as a player etc. At least in the Orlando of this and passt seasons.
Porter is also not a good fit. Gordon is a 4 so is he.

[Shady Franchise]

I agree, as I think he is exactly what Orlando needs (assuming they miss out on Doncic). Let's say its something like:
Doncic
Ayton
Young
Bagley
JJJ/Bamba

That leaves Orlando with the guy Dallas doesn't take (JJJ/Bamba) or Porter. I don't think Orl can go wrong with either JJJ or Porter, but I would really like Young.

I think they can miss in that scenario. I really really don't like JJJ for Orlando. I think he vould be missused missdiagnosed as a player etc. At least in the Orlando of this and passt seasons.
Porter is also not a good fit. Gordon is a 4 so is he.

Yeah, but at the same time they'd be stupid to pass up JJJ who at that point would be the best prospect left. You just don't pass up talent for fit. They can attempt to S&T Gordon, which would actually give them flexibility with the cap in the future. Isaac/JJJ would be a defensive duo to be feared. Say they S&T Gordon and then trade him for a PG, they'd be looking ok. PG-Ross-Fournier-Isaac-JJJ going into the lottery again next year where there are plenty of nice wing prospects. PG-Fournier-Reddish-Isaac-JJJ is not bad at all IMO.

[WalterBenjamin]

Yeah, but at the same time they'd be stupid to pass up JJJ who at that point would be the best prospect left. You just don't pass up talent for fit. They can attempt to S&T Gordon, which would actually give them flexibility with the cap in the future. Isaac/JJJ would be a defensive duo to be feared. Say they S&T Gordon and then trade him for a PG, they'd be looking ok. PG-Ross-Fournier-Isaac-JJJ going into the lottery again next year where there are plenty of nice wing prospects. PG-Fournier-Reddish-Isaac-JJJ is not bad at all IMO.

Either way you are left with the same problem. Bad O with no good ballhandlers and creators. Eaven the best case scenario is bad for me withouth Young.

[Shady Franchise]

Yeah, but at the same time they'd be stupid to pass up JJJ who at that point would be the best prospect left. You just don't pass up talent for fit. They can attempt to S&T Gordon, which would actually give them flexibility with the cap in the future. Isaac/JJJ would be a defensive duo to be feared. Say they S&T Gordon and then trade him for a PG, they'd be looking ok. PG-Ross-Fournier-Isaac-JJJ going into the lottery again next year where there are plenty of nice wing prospects. PG-Fournier-Reddish-Isaac-JJJ is not bad at all IMO.

Either way you are left with the same problem. Bad O with no good ballhandlers and creators. Eaven the best case scenario is bad for me withouth Young.

True, unless we can get a gem with one of our SRPs.

[Stillwater]

shoe deals in the mix already etc this guy is going to get over picked for his chucking 9 times out of 10 and be a bust if his low release forces him to take shots even farther out than he did in college to be open. . Better off going late lottery to LAC where they can pick a Zhaire Smith or Khyri Thomas to play next to him because Young projects to have zero defensive ability at the next level given his grade school wingspan. We'll see if I am wrong after the combine, but I wouldn't take him unless I had a defensive specialist 2 guard which to me makes his highest reasonable landing spot higher than 12 at 9th to NY.

Orlando has Ross, so Young next to Ross is exactly what you're proposing above. No need to wait to 9.

Are you one of the he's the next Curry guys or something? I mean Ross is a lockdown defender if he can stay on the floor but if you look at the numbers Young's aren't even close to Curry's college numbers. There are better players that will be available there imo at 6.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

in the following scenario:
1. Ayton/Doncic
2. Doncic/Ayton
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Bamba


They're sitting at 6 and its MPJ or Trae Magic absolutely have to take Trae.. He will instantly bring offense to a team that was lacking in that. He can provide the needed spacing for guys like AG, Isaac and Fournier which should help open up shots for them. Trae will also have 3 guys who he should be able to find for easy buckets in transition if the option comes up. If not he can get a screen from Biz who is a solid screen guy and go to work in the 1/2 court. The guy does 2 things the Magic desperately need in a PG at a very high level: Passing and shooting.

His offensive ability outweighs his defensive ability especially since he would have Isaac, AG and Biz who should be able to help pick up the load. Trae just has to be able to fight through screens on the defensive side of the ball and not get lost when the ball swings around. If he can do those 2 things then he should do just fine in Orlando.

[JMac1]

Well we didn’t fall to four, so good luck with who ever drafts him. He will be a stud. Hope it’s in the East.

[Shady Franchise]

shoe deals in the mix already etc this guy is going to get over picked for his chucking 9 times out of 10 and be a bust if his low release forces him to take shots even farther out than he did in college to be open. . Better off going late lottery to LAC where they can pick a Zhaire Smith or Khyri Thomas to play next to him because Young projects to have zero defensive ability at the next level given his grade school wingspan. We'll see if I am wrong after the combine, but I wouldn't take him unless I had a defensive specialist 2 guard which to me makes his highest reasonable landing spot higher than 12 at 9th to NY.

Orlando has Ross, so Young next to Ross is exactly what you're proposing above. No need to wait to 9.

Are you one of the he's the next Curry guys or something? I mean Ross is a lockdown defender if he can stay on the floor but if you look at the numbers Young's aren't even close to Curry's college numbers. There are better players that will be available there imo at 6.

Who said anything about Curry? You didn't say anything about Curry in your OP, so what makes you think I'm thinking he's the next Curry? I never said that or thought that. My comment was about the SG who can defend. We have one of those guys in Ross. We also have Fournier who is a great 3pt shooter and puts in effort on D.

[Stillwater]

Orlando has Ross, so Young next to Ross is exactly what you're proposing above. No need to wait to 9.

Are you one of the he's the next Curry guys or something? I mean Ross is a lockdown defender if he can stay on the floor but if you look at the numbers Young's aren't even close to Curry's college numbers. There are better players that will be available there imo at 6.

Who said anything about Curry? You didn't say anything about Curry in your OP, so what makes you think I'm thinking he's the next Curry? I never said that or thought that. My comment was about the SG who can defend. We have one of those guys in Ross. We also have Fournier who is a great 3pt shooter and puts in effort on D.

OK the common rhetoric surrounding Young going higher than 8th to CLE which is still a reach imo is that he could be the next Curry etc. I don't see it at all. I think he is a starter on a lottery team, a fringe starter on a playoff team and a career backup on a contender.