Kings Off-Season

[jazanetti]

I can imagine the Kings drafting Mohamed Bamba and signing Jabari Parker for a big contract. I love Aaron Gordon, but there's no way he doesn't have a max contract matched.

I really like our future. I'm probably more optimistic than anyone on here. This is a pretty good young core.
PG: De'Aaron Fox, Frank Mason
SG: Bogdan Bogdanovic, Buddy Hield
SF: Jabari Parker, Justin Jackson
PF: Harry Giles, Skal Labissiere
C: Mohamed Bamba, Willie Cauley-Stein

I like a 3 wing rotation of Bogie, Buddy and Parker. I really like all 3. I'm extremely high on Harry Giles and I think he can be a star. I think Skal is still going to get better, especially as a scorer off the bench. Mohamed Bamba will cover up defensive deficiencies, but I think Fox, Bogie, Buddy and Giles will be solid defenders also. I don't see Justin Jackson as more than a backup. I think Willie is the most likely young player to be traded, especially if we draft a big like Bamba and also want Harry to play some center. I like the scoring, shooting, passing, defense, rebounding... everything really.

Another possibility is switching Parker and Bamba with Michael Porter Jr. and Jusuf Nurkic or Julius Randle.

Jabari should play PF in modern NBA for sure. He hasn't been mobile enough since his rookie year and gain a lot after injuries. That's why (and because of injuries of course) I'm not sure if we need to go for him having Giles and Skal.

[kalenclayton]

I can imagine the Kings drafting Mohamed Bamba and signing Jabari Parker for a big contract. I love Aaron Gordon, but there's no way he doesn't have a max contract matched.

I really like our future. I'm probably more optimistic than anyone on here. This is a pretty good young core.
PG: De'Aaron Fox, Frank Mason
SG: Bogdan Bogdanovic, Buddy Hield
SF: Jabari Parker, Justin Jackson
PF: Harry Giles, Skal Labissiere
C: Mohamed Bamba, Willie Cauley-Stein

I like a 3 wing rotation of Bogie, Buddy and Parker. I really like all 3. I'm extremely high on Harry Giles and I think he can be a star. I think Skal is still going to get better, especially as a scorer off the bench. Mohamed Bamba will cover up defensive deficiencies, but I think Fox, Bogie, Buddy and Giles will be solid defenders also. I don't see Justin Jackson as more than a backup. I think Willie is the most likely young player to be traded, especially if we draft a big like Bamba and also want Harry to play some center. I like the scoring, shooting, passing, defense, rebounding... everything really.

Another possibility is switching Parker and Bamba with Michael Porter Jr. and Jusuf Nurkic or Julius Randle.

Jabari should play PF in modern NBA for sure. He hasn't been mobile enough since his rookie year and gain a lot after injuries. That's why (and because of injuries of course) I'm not sure if we need to go for him having Giles and Skal.

Personally, I would love to go get Jabari. I would want to draft Porter if we were going for him though. Those two are ready to run and that might be just enough for Joerger to say that it’s time to play fast paced.

[kingjawn100]

Just one man's opinion but Kings insider James Ham recently said he doesn't see the Kings making any significant free agent pickups this summer, instead focusing on summer 2019 when our young guys will have matured a bit.

Whether its through the draft or free agency the one thing we desperately need is an offensive initiator with 1-on-1 scoring skills. Don't care what position it is but we really don't have a bailout guy who we can pass the ball to late in a shot clock and let him create. I know Fox and Bogi hit some big shots but more often than not the team over-passed cause no one is that skilled at driving/finishing around the basket. Adding more role players is fine but the need for an alpha who can also draw fouls is glaring. A healthy Porter Jr could definitely help.

Unrelatedly Dennis Schroder seems to be available through trade. 3 years left on his deal. I know we're pretty set with Fox but i can't say im too confident with Mason being the primary backup. Either way Schroder will probably be a starter wherever he ends up. You couldn't really play him with Fox as neither can shoot and Schroder is bad defensively.

[bleeds_purple]

I am most curious to see what we do with all of our expiring players. We can trade them for "bad" contracts to get back into next year's draft. A lot of teams will be looking to dump salary. Alternatively, we can let them expire and try to be a real player in the 2019 summer free agency pool. We also need to make a decision on WCS.

[sacking123]

I am most curious to see what we do with all of our expiring players. We can trade them for "bad" contracts to get back into next year's draft. A lot of teams will be looking to dump salary. Alternatively, we can let them expire and try to be a real player in the 2019 summer free agency pool. We also need to make a decision on WCS.

This.
I’ve said a couple of times, I just don’t see the reason of signing any free agents this off season. It was hard enough getting minutes into guys this season and we are potentially adding Shump, Giles, #2, #37 to that while losing VC.
According to Basketball Reference we will have 12 contracts if everyone picks up options.
I can see a consolidation trade of the expirings, maybe a 2 for 1 and maybe sign a couple of vet towel waivers for the season.
That would be my off season, don’t waste time and money of guys like Gordon, Hezonja etc they really don’t shift the needle and it’s time to focus on the young guys we have, develop them and this will be a special team in 2 seasons.


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[mlloyd10]

Any interest in a WCS/ZBO for (S&T) Parker?

[OhioKingsFan]

Any interest in a WCS/ZBO for (S&T) Parker?

If the Kings were able to take care of the center position in other ways (Ayton?), then sure, I'd do it.

[OhioKingsFan]

I firmly in the "use the cap space this summer" camp. The Kings will have TONS of cap space next summer as it is, even if we sign a max contract player this year. On top of that, there are very few teams that will have cap space. The team with the most cap space (Lakers) seem to have made up their mind that only top 20 players are worth their cap space, further reducing our competition. Additionally, there are several very promising players coming off of rookie deals that look realistically attainable through a big offer, even though they could very well be worth close to the big salary (another factor that is not common).

The pool of available players that fit our rebuild timeline is larger than usual. The pool of cap space competitors is smaller than usual. No matter what we do this summer we'll likely have enough space to sign a Max player next year (or several smaller contracts). I can't blame the FO if none of these players decide to sign with us, but I would be extremely frustrated if we don't even try.

Randle, Gordon, Hezonja, Noel, Nurkic, Smart, and Parker are have a realistic shot at playing on a different team next year. Even Capela might not be worth $20M+ to Houston if they can't win a game against GSW. The Kings likely won't be this well positioned in the Free Agency market for years to come. I say go out and try to get some players.

[dckingsfan]

Imagine not having Shumpert and Randolph on the payroll... last off-season was soooo stupid.

[OGSactownballer]

Imagine not having Shumpert and Randolph on the payroll... last off-season was soooo stupid.

We need to stop this kind of nonsense.

There is a salary floor as well as a cap. Does it make sense to hand the money to other teams? You don’t save and get to keep it. That is discourage the whole tanking thing by gutting your roster and having nothing but junk to get a draft pick.

The deals done were reasonable, astute and for guys that were incredibly beneficial in the growth and development of the young players.
Additionally, no matter what kind of BS is bandied about here in the boards, we all know that come summer and deadline time there will be a number of owners/gm’s that will be eager and willing to move stuff for cap space. There will also be contenders that have injuries or need that one year vet piece they think is necessary for a title push.

Be patient. Understand that this team is being built like the Warriors and Spurs and Blazers. Long haul contention and continuous appearance in the playoffs.

[City of Trees]

Oh man, Boogie unfollowed the Pelicans on IG. When asked why he said "becasue im grown"... I guess contract negotiations arent going well?


Edit: info from The General Board Cousins thread
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[kalenclayton]

Oh man, Boogie unfollowed the Pelicans on IG. When asked why he said "becasue im grown"... I guess contract negotiations arent going well?


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Wow. This is hilarious. I wish he said “Because I’m emotional”

[dckingsfan]

Imagine not having Shumpert and Randolph on the payroll... last off-season was soooo stupid.

We need to stop this kind of nonsense.

There is a salary floor as well as a cap. Does it make sense to hand the money to other teams? You don’t save and get to keep it. That is discourage the whole tanking thing by gutting your roster and having nothing but junk to get a draft pick.

The deals done were reasonable, astute and for guys that were incredibly beneficial in the growth and development of the young players.
Additionally, no matter what kind of BS is bandied about here in the boards, we all know that come summer and deadline time there will be a number of owners/gm’s that will be eager and willing to move stuff for cap space. There will also be contenders that have injuries or need that one year vet piece they think is necessary for a title push.

Be patient. Understand that this team is being built like the Warriors and Spurs and Blazers. Long haul contention and continuous appearance in the playoffs.

They were terrible moves - not looking at the long-term but rather the short-term. We could have met the salary floor easily - and we could have done it up until the June.

The deals were unreasonable - and silly. Patience is good - poor moves - not so much.

We get to agree to disagree.

[scoobs07]

Congratulations on getting the 2nd pick! You are in a great position, you simply draft Doncic or Ayton, whoever is left on the board. Similar to the Lakers when we had the 2nd pick a couple years, less pressure. I previously brought up a trade scenario where we would send you Ingram and Deng for #7, but things have obviously changed. I assume the Kings would value Doncic more than Ingram, so that idea is probably out the window. Would you still be interested in absorbing Deng's contract along with #25, 2020 1st and Hart for cap space?

[kalenclayton]

Congratulations on getting the 2nd pick! You are in a great position, you simply draft Doncic or Ayton, whoever is left on the board. Similar to the Lakers when we had the 2nd pick a couple years, less pressure. I previously brought up a trade scenario where we would send you Ingram and Deng for #7, but things have obviously changed. I assume the Kings would value Doncic more than Ingram, so that idea is probably out the window. Would you still be interested in absorbing Deng's contract along with #25, 2020 1st and Hart for cap space?

Personally I would say no. That is $18mil of cap space taken up for each of the next two years. The payment is likely to late firsts and a wing who probably wouldn’t play too many minutes if any on our squad (especially if we get Doncic). Moving Hart to a different different team to get a better pick would be more beneficial. I think discussions could be had for the Kings to take on Deng still, but the deal has to have more of a top-end asset coming our way.

[madskillz8]

Oh man, Boogie unfollowed the Pelicans on IG. When asked why he said "becasue im grown"... I guess contract negotiations arent going well?


Edit: info from The General Board Cousins thread
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Lol. Vlade really did well with not signing him that super-max deal, aka "culture change".

[scoobs07]

Congratulations on getting the 2nd pick! You are in a great position, you simply draft Doncic or Ayton, whoever is left on the board. Similar to the Lakers when we had the 2nd pick a couple years, less pressure. I previously brought up a trade scenario where we would send you Ingram and Deng for #7, but things have obviously changed. I assume the Kings would value Doncic more than Ingram, so that idea is probably out the window. Would you still be interested in absorbing Deng's contract along with #25, 2020 1st and Hart for cap space?

Personally I would say no. That is $18mil of cap space taken up for each of the next two years. The payment is likely to late firsts and a wing who probably wouldn’t play too many minutes if any on our squad (especially if we get Doncic). Moving Hart to a different different team to get a better pick would be more beneficial. I think discussions could be had for the Kings to take on Deng still, but the deal has to have more of a top-end asset coming our way.

Three first round picks going to the Kings would be unprecedented in a salary dump trade. Maybe the Lakers get desperate enough to do it. Or maybe, it ends up being something like two 1st and a 2nd.

[dckingsfan]

Lol. Vlade really did well with not signing him that super-max deal, aka "culture change".

Agreed - he got that one right!

[kalenclayton]

Congratulations on getting the 2nd pick! You are in a great position, you simply draft Doncic or Ayton, whoever is left on the board. Similar to the Lakers when we had the 2nd pick a couple years, less pressure. I previously brought up a trade scenario where we would send you Ingram and Deng for #7, but things have obviously changed. I assume the Kings would value Doncic more than Ingram, so that idea is probably out the window. Would you still be interested in absorbing Deng's contract along with #25, 2020 1st and Hart for cap space?

Personally I would say no. That is $18mil of cap space taken up for each of the next two years. The payment is likely to late firsts and a wing who probably wouldn’t play too many minutes if any on our squad (especially if we get Doncic). Moving Hart to a different different team to get a better pick would be more beneficial. I think discussions could be had for the Kings to take on Deng still, but the deal has to have more of a top-end asset coming our way.

Three first round picks going to the Kings would be unprecedented in a salary dump trade. Maybe the Lakers get desperate enough to do it. Or maybe, it ends up being something like two 1st and a 2nd.

It’s probably a trade that neither team should make. The Kings don’t need to do it though. They have too many young contracts as is. Hart would waste away, so he would need to be routed elsewhere to get a different asset to the Kings. That asset could allow the Lakers to send less.

[codydaze]

Imagine not having Shumpert and Randolph on the payroll... last off-season was soooo stupid.

We need to stop this kind of nonsense.

There is a salary floor as well as a cap. Does it make sense to hand the money to other teams? You don’t save and get to keep it. That is discourage the whole tanking thing by gutting your roster and having nothing but junk to get a draft pick.

The deals done were reasonable, astute and for guys that were incredibly beneficial in the growth and development of the young players.
Additionally, no matter what kind of BS is bandied about here in the boards, we all know that come summer and deadline time there will be a number of owners/gm’s that will be eager and willing to move stuff for cap space. There will also be contenders that have injuries or need that one year vet piece they think is necessary for a title push.

Be patient. Understand that this team is being built like the Warriors and Spurs and Blazers. Long haul contention and continuous appearance in the playoffs.

They were terrible moves - not looking at the long-term but rather the short-term. We could have met the salary floor easily - and we could have done it up until the June.

The deals were unreasonable - and silly. Patience is good - poor moves - not so much.

We get to agree to disagree.

How were they unreasonable when they all expire this year? It's not like we were handing out 4 year deals to these guys and the only deal for more than 10 million, anually, is Zbo's at 12 million.