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DarkHawk wrote:thamadkant wrote:Marcus Smart is AMAZING defender and energy guy... he is an X-factor for sure.
Wonder if McD would make a move for him
I'd love him here but he'd be another non-shooter. We really need a strong 3pt shooter on the floor.
I think making a play for Rozier would be worth a look at the very least. Dunno if Boston will move him and if they do, what they'll demand.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:DarkHawk wrote:thamadkant wrote:Marcus Smart is AMAZING defender and energy guy... he is an X-factor for sure.
Wonder if McD would make a move for him
I'd love him here but he'd be another non-shooter. We really need a strong 3pt shooter on the floor.
I think making a play for Rozier would be worth a look at the very least. Dunno if Boston will move him and if they do, what they'll demand.
Bender, the 16, and the 2021 MIA first-rounder would get me thinking.
bwoolf2 wrote:I think Brandon Knight is going to surprise a lot of people next year i think the year off changed the way he sees the game, or i could be completely wrong.
jcsunsfan wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:DarkHawk wrote:
I'd love him here but he'd be another non-shooter. We really need a strong 3pt shooter on the floor.
I think making a play for Rozier would be worth a look at the very least. Dunno if Boston will move him and if they do, what they'll demand.
Bender, the 16, and the 2021 MIA first-rounder would get me thinking.
Cmon. We can wait. We can wait until Kyrie is back, Roziers minutes go down, and the hype goes down and then pay a reasonable price. Meanwhile we will shop elsewhere.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Bender, the 16, and the 2021 MIA first-rounder would get me thinking.
Cmon. We can wait. We can wait until Kyrie is back, Roziers minutes go down, and the hype goes down and then pay a reasonable price. Meanwhile we will shop elsewhere.
What's a reasonable price?
bwoolf2 wrote:I think Brandon Knight is going to surprise a lot of people next year i think the year off changed the way he sees the game, or i could be completely wrong.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Bender, the 16, and the 2021 MIA first-rounder would get me thinking.
Cmon. We can wait. We can wait until Kyrie is back, Roziers minutes go down, and the hype goes down and then pay a reasonable price. Meanwhile we will shop elsewhere.
What's a reasonable price?
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:Cmon. We can wait. We can wait until Kyrie is back, Roziers minutes go down, and the hype goes down and then pay a reasonable price. Meanwhile we will shop elsewhere.
What's a reasonable price?
Frankly, at the kind of money he's likely to command, there won't be a whole lot of excess value in that contract. You're selling whatever discount his RFA status buys you. I doubt that amounts to a first round pick.
What's the maximum offer you would match? If we would offer more than that, why would we give you anything?
DarkHawk wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:Cmon. We can wait. We can wait until Kyrie is back, Roziers minutes go down, and the hype goes down and then pay a reasonable price. Meanwhile we will shop elsewhere.
What's a reasonable price?
It's hard to say. While everything is clicking in the playoffs, I'd want to see a bigger body of work. When teams have had a chance to prepare for him. Not to mention, everyone seems to over perform in the Stevens system.
I think the 2021 is untouchable in a scenario like that.
Heat 16 and Bucks future 1st would probably be part of it.
It really depends on what Boston is going to do. If they let Smart walk, there's no way they trade Rozier. If they keep him though, unless they are trading Kyrie, it'll be hard to see them spend 10 figures on a backup PG. The better he plays, the closer to max he's going to get. Ainge is too smart to allow that to happen.
I'm not saying another team won't blow their load to get Rozier, but I think a deal surrounding the picks I mentioned isn't unfair. I understand why his value is through the roof right now though.
3 weeks ago, I wouldn't have considered a trade for him let alone 2 future firsts.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:DarkHawk wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:
What's a reasonable price?
It's hard to say. While everything is clicking in the playoffs, I'd want to see a bigger body of work. When teams have had a chance to prepare for him. Not to mention, everyone seems to over perform in the Stevens system.
I think the 2021 is untouchable in a scenario like that.
Heat 16 and Bucks future 1st would probably be part of it.
It really depends on what Boston is going to do. If they let Smart walk, there's no way they trade Rozier. If they keep him though, unless they are trading Kyrie, it'll be hard to see them spend 10 figures on a backup PG. The better he plays, the closer to max he's going to get. Ainge is too smart to allow that to happen.
I'm not saying another team won't blow their load to get Rozier, but I think a deal surrounding the picks I mentioned isn't unfair. I understand why his value is through the roof right now though.
3 weeks ago, I wouldn't have considered a trade for him let alone 2 future firsts.
Bender, 16 this year (probably depending on who’s on the board) and the MIL pick? I probably do that, personally.
You can wait on the price to come down on Rozier, but it might stay where it is, or go up if he plays well in the fall. We have minutes for him. Bender’s value could drop if he doesn’t show some improvement soon - I believe in his upside but he’s been underwhelming so far, and I have a hard time convincing other Celtics posters it’d be a good gamble.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:DarkHawk wrote:
It's hard to say. While everything is clicking in the playoffs, I'd want to see a bigger body of work. When teams have had a chance to prepare for him. Not to mention, everyone seems to over perform in the Stevens system.
I think the 2021 is untouchable in a scenario like that.
Heat 16 and Bucks future 1st would probably be part of it.
It really depends on what Boston is going to do. If they let Smart walk, there's no way they trade Rozier. If they keep him though, unless they are trading Kyrie, it'll be hard to see them spend 10 figures on a backup PG. The better he plays, the closer to max he's going to get. Ainge is too smart to allow that to happen.
I'm not saying another team won't blow their load to get Rozier, but I think a deal surrounding the picks I mentioned isn't unfair. I understand why his value is through the roof right now though.
3 weeks ago, I wouldn't have considered a trade for him let alone 2 future firsts.
Bender, 16 this year (probably depending on who’s on the board) and the MIL pick? I probably do that, personally.
You can wait on the price to come down on Rozier, but it might stay where it is, or go up if he plays well in the fall. We have minutes for him. Bender’s value could drop if he doesn’t show some improvement soon - I believe in his upside but he’s been underwhelming so far, and I have a hard time convincing other Celtics posters it’d be a good gamble.
This whole discussion is absurd. None of these three things will be included in any proposed deal for Marcus Smart. See my reasoning above.
You couldn't have traded Terry Rozier for a ham sandwich after his rookie season, during which, Terry was 21 - older than Dragan is now. Maybe a couple ham sandwiches after his sophomore season. You ain't getting Dragan Bender for no ham sandwich.
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Are we talking about Smart or Rozier? Rozier is under contract next year on his rookie salary.
saintEscaton wrote:Bender under Stevens would look like the lovechild of Toni Kukoc/AK47. But no you can't have him!
Andrew McCeltic wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Bender under Stevens would look like the lovechild of Toni Kukoc/AK47. But no you can't have him!
This is the same player who has his coach and teammates imploring him to shoot the ball, whose total rebounding rate in neither year of his career has ever been as good as any of Rozier's? I love him as a prospect, but there's much more risk for Boston in the deal.
darealjuice wrote:Andrew McCeltic wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Bender under Stevens would look like the lovechild of Toni Kukoc/AK47. But no you can't have him!
This is the same player who has his coach and teammates imploring him to shoot the ball, whose total rebounding rate in neither year of his career has ever been as good as any of Rozier's? I love him as a prospect, but there's much more risk for Boston in the deal.
And there's no risk for Phoenix in taking a guy that's played like a starter for about 25 games in his career right?