ECF: P2 | (2) Boston Celtics vs (4) Cleveland Cavaliers | Tied 2-2

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[Stillwater]

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Well… I admire your consistency. “We are losing because the refs are screwing us over” was the only logical follow-up to your previous posts.

Refs are not screwing us over, we are not fouling hard enough and probably will start doing so or we might as well pack our bags for the Aruba coast

I don't like trolling a fan base, so I really hope nothing I say offends Cavs fans. Just like Superdario from last series, if you say stupid crap, i'm going to follow you around and call you on it till you recant.

So, Smith > Brown, Hill >Rozier and all the other really, really, really terrible takes you had in the first game thread. Do you admit it was way, way, way, way wrong, or are you going to double down on the stupid take? Let us know so we can move on. The first thing to learn on Realgm is to learn how to admit your opinion turned out wrong.

Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

[ITYSL]

Well, if the Cavs can't even get 13 points a game from their entire back court, for even one game, then the Celtics will probably sweep.

Well, you can't be talking about their entire back court. Korver had 11 points last night, and he's a big part of their back court whether he's starting or off the bench. Just because he didn't start doesn't mean his back court points don't count. Similarly, in Game 1, Clarkson and Hood had 21 combined, though I think a lot of that was in garbage time.

I do agree that a Hill-Smith starting back court is pretty pathetic. Hill/Korver with Smith off the bench is better imo, but Lue clearly went big+defensive with Hill/Smith and then starting both Love and Thompson in G2, which had some success. As G1 showed, CLE probably shouldn't go small to start with Hill/Korver/Smith like they did against TOR. BOS will punish them for it.

[Darth Celtic]

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Refs are not screwing us over, we are not fouling hard enough and probably will start doing so or we might as well pack our bags for the Aruba coast

I don't like trolling a fan base, so I really hope nothing I say offends Cavs fans. Just like Superdario from last series, if you say stupid crap, i'm going to follow you around and call you on it till you recant.

So, Smith > Brown, Hill >Rozier and all the other really, really, really terrible takes you had in the first game thread. Do you admit it was way, way, way, way wrong, or are you going to double down on the stupid take? Let us know so we can move on. The first thing to learn on Realgm is to learn how to admit your opinion turned out wrong.

Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

As expected, just like SuperDario, you also doubled down on the stupid instead of admitting the obvious. JR Smith was never in his career as skilled as J Brown is now at 21.

[ITYSL]

Well… I admire your consistency. “We are losing because the refs are screwing us over” was the only logical follow-up to your previous posts.

Refs are not screwing us over, we are not fouling hard enough and probably will start doing so or we might as well pack our bags for the Aruba coast

TBH I feel like this series is still a long way from over.

For real. Celtics have only done what they were supposed to do - hold home court. If CLE takes games 3+4, it's advantage them imo.

I just think the Celtics will have a good shot to steal at least one of those games and close it in 5, with their momentum, hustle, and way they're playing team ball.

[Stillwater]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

I don't like trolling a fan base, so I really hope nothing I say offends Cavs fans. Just like Superdario from last series, if you say stupid crap, i'm going to follow you around and call you on it till you recant.

So, Smith > Brown, Hill >Rozier and all the other really, really, really terrible takes you had in the first game thread. Do you admit it was way, way, way, way wrong, or are you going to double down on the stupid take? Let us know so we can move on. The first thing to learn on Realgm is to learn how to admit your opinion turned out wrong.

Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

As expected, just like SuperDario, you also doubled down on the stupid instead of admitting the obvious. JR Smith was never in his career as skilled as J Brown is now at 21.

Skilled how ? all I see is a highly athletic defensive player with a developing offensive skillset. Smith had been a huge clutch shooter for most of his career,despite going cold again this season and flipping the switch for a few games and going cold again in this series.
Smith is streaky, he could come out and drain 7 treys game 3...I'll take that over the consistent defense of Brown that has no clutch factor , does that make him the better player, doesn't look like it in this series so far, but doesn't make it false. I agree Brown is on course to be a better player over the course of his career and if Smith doesn't find his shot he's better off riding the pine

[NetsDynasty2012]

[gfycat][/gfycat]Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

As expected, just like SuperDario, you also doubled down on the stupid instead of admitting the obvious. JR Smith was never in his career as skilled as J Brown is now at 21.

Skilled how ? all I see is a highly athletic defensive player with a developing offensive skillset. Smith had been a huge clutch shooter for most of his career,despite going cold again this season and flipping the switch for a few games and going cold again in this series.
Smith is streaky, he could come out and drain 7 treys game 3...I'll take that over the consistent defense of Brown that has no clutch factor , does that make him the better player, doesn't look like it in this series so far, but doesn't make it false. I agree Brown is on course to be a better player over the course of his career and if Smith doesn't find his shot he's better off riding the pine

You should really take a long, hard look at your post history over the past year once the Cavs are bounced, or rebuild your basketball knowledge from the ground up.

[ITYSL]

[gfycat][/gfycat]Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

As expected, just like SuperDario, you also doubled down on the stupid instead of admitting the obvious. JR Smith was never in his career as skilled as J Brown is now at 21.

Skilled how ? all I see is a highly athletic defensive player with a developing offensive skillset. Smith had been a huge clutch shooter for most of his career,despite going cold again this season and flipping the switch for a few games and going cold again in this series.
Smith is streaky, he could come out and drain 7 treys game 3...I'll take that over the consistent defense of Brown that has no clutch factor , does that make him the better player, doesn't look like it in this series so far, but doesn't make it false. I agree Brown is on course to be a better player over the course of his career and if Smith doesn't find his shot he's better off riding the pine

Brown has been a better player offensively and defensively this year, by all standard and advanced metrics, as well as the eye test. Better 2p%, 3p%, eFG%, TS%, pts/g, pts/36, pts/100, ORtg, OWS, etc. And that's just the offensive side of the ball. It's not close.

[NetsDynasty2012]

Now, Lebron Fanboys please explain your statement that Lebron is a great facilitator.

Your hero has impressively scored in the 40's in several games in this year's playoffs. But but his teammates except for Love really have not made any impact in scoring.

So explain again why Lebron is a great facilitator ?

I brought this up because the Cavs are losing this series due to lack of scoring support outside of Lebron and Love. You know Kyrie used to fill this role.

Not like he's averaging 9.2 assists per game and 18.1 potential assists per game in the playoffs or anything

'Potential Assist' - What is this ? Another stat to prop up Lebron numbers ?

Bottom line --- Celts up 2-0, only 2 players have meaningful points.....rest of the Cavs are getting paid appearance fee only.

I hate Lebron, I'm a Celtics fan, but saying Lebron isn't a great facilitator is just plain dumb.

[ISayshowmee]

Not like he's averaging 9.2 assists per game and 18.1 potential assists per game in the playoffs or anything

'Potential Assist' - What is this ? Another stat to prop up Lebron numbers ?

Bottom line --- Celts up 2-0, only 2 players have meaningful points.....rest of the Cavs are getting paid appearance fee only.

I hate Lebron, I'm a Celtics fan, but saying Lebron isn't a great facilitator is just plain dumb.

Perhaps our definition of 'facilitator' is different. Cavs' issue right now is scoring....aside from Lebron and Love...Cavs' not getting enough offensive support from the rest of the team.

A facilitator will get everyone involved. Lebron only managed to involve himself and Love on offense. This my friend does not translate to a great facilitator.

[jbk1234]

Well, if the Cavs can't even get 13 points a game from their entire back court, for even one game, then the Celtics will probably sweep.

Well, you can't be talking about their entire back court. Korver had 11 points last night, and he's a big part of their back court whether he's starting or off the bench. Just because he didn't start doesn't mean his back court points don't count. Similarly, in Game 1, Clarkson and Hood had 21 combined, though I think a lot of that was in garbage time.

I do agree that a Hill-Smith starting back court is pretty pathetic. Hill/Korver with Smith off the bench is better imo, but Lue clearly went big+defensive with Hill/Smith and then starting both Love and Thompson in G2, which had some success. As G1 showed, CLE probably shouldn't go small to start with Hill/Korver/Smith like they did against TOR. BOS will punish them for it.

The Celtics are clearly trying to take Hill out of the series. They're throwing one of Rozier, Smart, or Brown at him starting in the back court whenever he takes the ball up and our coach is making things worse by playing him with no or less rest than usual.

JR is JR. He can disappear for a couple games and then go into stupid mode where every contested fade-away from the three point line finds the basket.

[jirrit]

Smith is streaky, he could come out and drain 7 treys game 3...I'll take that over the consistent defense of Brown that has no clutch factor , does that make him the better player, doesn't look like it in this series so far, but doesn't make it false.

So you take an inconsistent streaky shooter (who's more than ten years older) over a consistent shooter (I guess somewhere close to 40% on 3's, on at least three attempts a game in the play-offs) with good D.

[PierceFan4ever]

[gfycat][/gfycat]Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

As expected, just like SuperDario, you also doubled down on the stupid instead of admitting the obvious. JR Smith was never in his career as skilled as J Brown is now at 21.

Skilled how ? all I see is a highly athletic defensive player with a developing offensive skillset. Smith had been a huge clutch shooter for most of his career,despite going cold again this season and flipping the switch for a few games and going cold again in this series.
Smith is streaky, he could come out and drain 7 treys game 3...I'll take that over the consistent defense of Brown that has no clutch factor , does that make him the better player, doesn't look like it in this series so far, but doesn't make it false. I agree Brown is on course to be a better player over the course of his career and if Smith doesn't find his shot he's better off riding the pine

Please get some help. I’m not even sure JR himself will agree with you lmao

[Wallace_Wallace]

Brown is not better than Smith, Rozier is not better than Hill, Morris is not better than Green or Nance.
I also think Tatum is over rated in this series.
Korver is a better shooter than anyone on their roster etc.
Baynes is not better than Thompson defensively.
Regardless of how you see it, the reality is the Cavs are much better than you are giving them credit and they have Lebron
which you don't have anyone close too.

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In Conor Mcgregor's voice, "Who the fook is that guy?"

Where the heck did he posted that dumb stuff on RealGM?

[LarryBirdsFingr]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Refs are not screwing us over, we are not fouling hard enough and probably will start doing so or we might as well pack our bags for the Aruba coast

I don't like trolling a fan base, so I really hope nothing I say offends Cavs fans. Just like Superdario from last series, if you say stupid crap, i'm going to follow you around and call you on it till you recant.

So, Smith > Brown, Hill >Rozier and all the other really, really, really terrible takes you had in the first game thread. Do you admit it was way, way, way, way wrong, or are you going to double down on the stupid take? Let us know so we can move on. The first thing to learn on Realgm is to learn how to admit your opinion turned out wrong.

Bostons young players have proven they are willing to play hard on every possession and have rendered the skill level of the Cavs vets to squat. do I think Bostons players are more skilled? no.

Bwahahahaah

[Larry Legend 33]

For real. Celtics have only done what they were supposed to do - hold home court. If CLE takes games 3+4, it's advantage them imo.

According to many on this board & just about every paid analyst, we were "supposed to" get demolished.

Also don't understand how if BOS holds home court and CLE holds home court, somehow it's advantage CLE? Nope, the advantage would be with BOS because it's then best 2 of 3 when we have 2 home games? Once CLE wins on the road, it's advantage CLE. So the only upper-hand to be gained over the next 2 games is by Boston.

[AlCelticFan]

Refs are not screwing us over, we are not fouling hard enough and probably will start doing so or we might as well pack our bags for the Aruba coast

TBH I feel like this series is still a long way from over.

For real. Celtics have only done what they were supposed to do - hold home court. If CLE takes games 3+4, it's advantage them imo.

I just think the Celtics will have a good shot to steal at least one of those games and close it in 5, with their momentum, hustle, and way they're playing team ball.

This argument only makes sense if Cavs had home court advantage. If C's hold serve, they are going to the finals.

[drstarheel]

Ok. To to the cavs board and their game thread. Pistons fan starts it.

First post is Stillwater saying "getting a top 3 pick and our first win in the series"

Second post is also Stillwater saying "no top 3 pick, but no way we are losing this game or series"

Third and last post is also Stillwater saying "we played bad, GM will have a lot to do win or lose if it doesn't go to game 7."


LOLOLOLOLOL.

Yep Cavs have not matched your physicality at all in this series and deserve to lose if they don't step up and play to their capability.
Do I think they will continue the hard fouls like Smith did on Horford since they have mostly been called for ticky-tack one's that they might as well punish you for if they are getting called anyway at this point,yes I do. Unfortunately it is not the Cavs style and you will probably still win the series at this point so it's sad times in CLE. Laugh it up

Well… I admire your consistency. “We are losing because the refs are screwing us over” was the only logical follow-up to your previous posts.

During the Pacers series Stillwater kept saying the NBA was favoring the Pacers in order to extend the series and make more money. I wonder if he'll have that mindset for the next two games where extending the series would require favoritism towards the Cavs.

I keep trying to explain to Stillwater he exhibits a psychological phenomenon known as Self-Serving Bias towards the Cavs. It's where one protects their ego by attributing successes to themselves and attributing failures to external factors. He must have learned that from his boy Lebron.

[ITYSL]

For real. Celtics have only done what they were supposed to do - hold home court. If CLE takes games 3+4, it's advantage them imo.

According to many on this board & just about every paid analyst, we were "supposed to" get demolished.

Also don't understand how if BOS holds home court and CLE holds home court, somehow it's advantage CLE? Nope, the advantage would be with BOS because it's then best 2 of 3 when we have 2 home games? Once CLE wins on the road, it's advantage CLE. So the only upper-hand to be gained over the next 2 games is by Boston.

Playoff series are largely about momentum. If Cleveland wins games 3 and 4, I think the momentum swings their way, and then they basically have two shots to steal one from the Celtics in the Garden. Lebron has the ability to go off like he did last night, and if he gets fairly decent output from those around him - and I think that would be more possible if the Cavs get momentum by playing well and winning at home in G 3+4 - the Cavs could win in Boston. Remember they were up 11 at one point last night, and 7 at the half.

A lot of people thought the Bucks series was over after 2-0, and that went 7. Lebron is a big step above Giannis, and a momentum swing could get the others involved. It's not over, though I do think the Celtics have the clear advantage right now and will have a chance to steal one in Cleveland.

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