Marvin Bagley

[King Ken]

Why would you say that?

Bagley has a more well-rounded game but duplicates Collins' strengths, and there are diminishing returns to having multiple offensive rebounders/lob catchers.

Hawks isn't going to be trading Collins.

Likely true. It's unlikely we will move him.

[High 5]

I do think Bagley probably has the strongest case for BPA at 3, which is what the Hawks should be focused on, but I also believe trading Collins would be the worst Hawks trade since Nique. So Schlenk needs to really be confident they can co-exist at a high level or look elsewhere. IMO. Life would have been a lot simpler at #1 for Ayton or a couple of picks back for Bamba. (not that I'm complaining about some rare good luck)

[Duke4life831]

I think #3 all comes down to how evenly the Hawks view Bagley, JJJ and Bamba. I think if they feel like either one are on or close to the same level of a prospect as Bagley, they will go with one of them over him. JJJ or Bamba are just better fits alongside Collins. I'm all for going for BPA, but if you don't think there is much gap between the available players, I think fit comes into play.

[Duke4life831]

I just came along this video and I have to say I agree with everything in it. I think it's a good quick breakdown of the pros and cons of his game.

Watch on YouTube

[King Ken]

I do think Bagley probably has the strongest case for BPA at 3, which is what the Hawks should be focused on, but I also believe trading Collins would be the worst Hawks trade since Nique. So Schlenk needs to really be confident they can co-exist at a high level or look elsewhere. IMO. Life would have been a lot simpler at #1 for Ayton or a couple of picks back for Bamba. (not that I'm complaining about some rare good luck)

Collins is not that damn good. Hes not generational. Hes like anyone we have had in the last 15 years can be moved for a better deal. We made many awful trades worse than trading Nique. The Sheed one. The Pau Gasol one. The J.R. Rider trade. The Glenn Robinson trade. Etc...

[No-Man]

I think #3 all comes down to how evenly the Hawks view Bagley, JJJ and Bamba. I think if they feel like either one are on or close to the same level of a prospect as Bagley, they will go with one of them over him. JJJ or Bamba are just better fits alongside Collins. I'm all for going for BPA, but if you don't think there is much gap between the available players, I think fit comes into play.

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

[Duke4life831]

I think #3 all comes down to how evenly the Hawks view Bagley, JJJ and Bamba. I think if they feel like either one are on or close to the same level of a prospect as Bagley, they will go with one of them over him. JJJ or Bamba are just better fits alongside Collins. I'm all for going for BPA, but if you don't think there is much gap between the available players, I think fit comes into play.

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

[No-Man]

I think #3 all comes down to how evenly the Hawks view Bagley, JJJ and Bamba. I think if they feel like either one are on or close to the same level of a prospect as Bagley, they will go with one of them over him. JJJ or Bamba are just better fits alongside Collins. I'm all for going for BPA, but if you don't think there is much gap between the available players, I think fit comes into play.

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

one little clue, nobody has 3 players even in their draft board when we are talking about picking that high

nobody

later in the process? yeah

I think they are gonna pick Bagley or trade down for Trae basically

[Duke4life831]

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

one little clue, nobody has 3 players even in their draft board when we are talking about picking that high

nobody

later in the process? yeah

I think they are gonna pick Bagley or trade down for Trae basically

You or I have no clue how big of a gap ATL's front office has between these prospects. I'm not saying there is a 3 way tie, would it shock me if they're close to being split between JJJ and Bagley, then thinking about personality and roster fit it pushes one past the other? No it wouldn't shock me.

I actually think once you get passed Ayton and Doncic the gaps in-between prospects gets pretty close on a lot of these team's draft boards. But yes, if a team this high feels like there is a clear BPA, you go with that pick and Collins has no effect on that.

[King Ken]

I think #3 all comes down to how evenly the Hawks view Bagley, JJJ and Bamba. I think if they feel like either one are on or close to the same level of a prospect as Bagley, they will go with one of them over him. JJJ or Bamba are just better fits alongside Collins. I'm all for going for BPA, but if you don't think there is much gap between the available players, I think fit comes into play.

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

GMs get fired passing on All NBA MVP types for role players. This ain't hard. You got three options. Bagley, Ayton and Doncic. Pick one. This is like Hakeem, Bowie, and MJ. Pick one.

[King Ken]

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

one little clue, nobody has 3 players even in their draft board when we are talking about picking that high

nobody

later in the process? yeah

I think they are gonna pick Bagley or trade down for Trae basically

You or I have no clue how big of a gap ATL's front office has between these prospects. I'm not saying there is a 3 way tie, would it shock me if they're close to being split between JJJ and Bagley, then thinking about personality and roster fit it pushes one past the other? No it wouldn't shock me.

I actually think once you get passed Ayton and Doncic the gaps in-between prospects gets pretty close on a lot of these team's draft boards. But yes, if a team this high feels like there is a clear BPA, you go with that pick and Collins has no effect on that.

You must be a fan of one of the teams behind us. You dont pass on Bagley for JJJ or Bamba. That's how you get fired.

[No-Man]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

[Duke4life831]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I'm not saying there is going to be a 3 was tie. What I'm saying is I wouldn't be shocked if ATL is split between two of those 3 guys. Especially considering the fact a ton of places have JJJ as the superior prospect over Bagley.

[Duke4life831]

nobody is drafting around John freaking Collins

also, not sure how Bamba is a better fit, you talking about playing Collins and Bamba together? lmao

I'm not saying you draft around John Collins. I'm saying if you have 3 players even on your draft board, you go with the one that currently fits better with the guy you plan on being a starter for the next decade. Again if Bagley is considered their runaway prospect and clear BPA, then yes you draft him with no hesitation. But if he is even with the other prospects, yes fit should be looked at.

GMs get fired passing on All NBA MVP types for role players. This ain't hard. You got three options. Bagley, Ayton and Doncic. Pick one. This is like Hakeem, Bowie, and MJ. Pick one.

This is not the argument I'm making. I'm not making the argument that ATL passes up someone they think will become an all NBA type player for a role player they think fits better.

Again I'll make myself as clear as possible. If ATL feels like there is a clear BPA they should take that player with no hesitation. But for example if ATL front office are split between Bagley and JJJ, personality and roster fit may play a factor. Again not saying better fit should over take BPA.

[King Ken]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I'm not saying there is going to be a 3 was tie. What I'm saying is I wouldn't be shocked if ATL is split between two of those 3 guys. Especially considering the fact a ton of places have JJJ as the superior prospect over Bagley.

Those places will get that said GM fired. You dont pass on someone like Bagley. In a three horse draft. Draft one of the horses. Dont draft the donkey

[Duke4life831]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I'm not saying there is going to be a 3 was tie. What I'm saying is I wouldn't be shocked if ATL is split between two of those 3 guys. Especially considering the fact a ton of places have JJJ as the superior prospect over Bagley.

Those places will get that said GM fired. You dont pass on someone like Bagley. In a three horse draft. Draft one of the horses. Dont draft the donkey

What I'm saying is many people don't view this as a 3 player draft. Most view it as having a top tier which involves Doncic and Ayton then a 2nd tier group. Jay Bilas has JJJ as the better prospect over Bagley, the guys at the ringer have JJJ over Bagley, the Steipen has JJJ over Bagley, SI has JJJ over Bagley and on and on.

I agree with you, I think it is a 3 player draft I personally think PHX should take Bagley and try to run the fastest pace offense in the league. All I'm saying is I wouldn't be shocked if ATL views JJJ on the same level or as a better player than Bagley.

[Pinkyring]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

[No-Man]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

[Pinkyring]

I will be shocked at anything other than Bagley if they stay put, and again D4L831, those ties might be there early on, there is no way they have a 3-way tie for 3rd overall on draft night, none

at pick 23rd? sure

I disagree and i dont think you're getting what he said, hes saying if all three are rated close so on a 1-10 if one guy is a 6.5 one a 6.7 and one a 6.9 its a close gap sure the 6.9 is higher but if he's a pg and i already have a pg and i the 6.7 guy is a center which i need, I'm taking the center. That bpa stuff should only come into play for bad teams if theres a true talent gap.

there is always that talent gap up high

and also, nobody rates guys with numbers like that lol

Yes guy high are often neck in neck prospects what are you talking about? And plenty sites and scouts i know rate guys on those number scales often time a guy is rated 1-10 to a specific, different sport but dez for example in football was rated 8.43 by a cowboys scout friend of mine

[No-Man]

oh yeah lets put the NFL out there as an example of modern scouting lmao