Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[dms269]

Why would we have to send a pick? Shouldn't they be sending the pick to us? They are getting the better, younger player out of the deal.

By what metrics is he better?

Lamb is also significantly cheaper.

Well for starters Lin is 30 years old and only managed to play 37 games the last two seasons. Dennis averaged 18/6 his last two seasons which are numbers that Lin has never seen before.

If we proposed Dennis for Lin straight up I think BKN would jump out of their shoes. Maybe I"m missing something.

Shooting efficiency? Defensive plus/minus? TS%? 3pt%?

PPG is a horrible metric at valuing a player as for Dennis, the numbers are inflated for being a volume scorer.

[macd-gm]

By what metrics is he better?

Lamb is also significantly cheaper.

Well for starters Lin is 30 years old and only managed to play 37 games the last two seasons. Dennis averaged 18/6 his last two seasons which are numbers that Lin has never seen before.

If we proposed Dennis for Lin straight up I think BKN would jump out of their shoes. Maybe I"m missing something.

Shooting efficiency? Defensive plus/minus? TS%? 3pt%?

PPG is a horrible metric at valuing a player as for Dennis, the numbers are inflated for being a volume scorer.

Lin is definitely a better 3 point shooter. I'm not sure I'm sold on Lin as a defender that's any better than Dennis.

But none of it matters if you can't play. I'm not actually that big of a Dennis fan but certainly he's better than Lin? Lin is a broken down backup PG. I fully concede i could be underrating him. Maybe i should try the Nets board and see if they'd take Dennis for Lin straight up.

[MaceCase]

I honestly believe Dennis + #30 for Jeremy Lin is the current best case scenario. Pure cost cutting move, that or Lin is a much easier filler to package to another team to recoup the lost pick.

Why would we have to send a pick? Shouldn't they be sending the pick to us? They are getting the better, younger player out of the deal.

They aren’t getting a better player but a longer contract. If you can come up with any team that would absorb Dennis into their cap space and provide a pick for the honor of doing so I’m all ears....well, eyes.

[jayu70]

I honestly believe Dennis + #30 for Jeremy Lin is the current best case scenario. Pure cost cutting move, that or Lin is a much easier filler to package to another team to recoup the lost pick.

Why would we have to send a pick? Shouldn't they be sending the pick to us? They are getting the better, younger player out of the deal.

By what metrics is he better?

Lamb is also significantly cheaper.

Being available to play. I'll reiterate - not interested i salary dumping Dennis and especially not intered in paying to do so, not at this stage of the rebuild.

[macd-gm]

At first it seemed like everyone here overvalued Dennis. Now we're saying he's a salary dump albatross contract? I'm not a big fan but he's still a 24 year old PG with talent and a lot of upside.

[dms269]

At first it seemed like everyone here overvalued Dennis. Now we're saying he's a salary dump albatross contract? I'm not a big fan but he's still a 24 year old PG with talent and a lot of upside.

He does have upside, however the negatives are outweighing the upside he has.

[tbhawksfan1]

At first it seemed like everyone here overvalued Dennis. Now we're saying he's a salary dump albatross contract? I'm not a big fan but he's still a 24 year old PG with talent and a lot of upside.

He does have upside, however the negatives are outweighing the upside he has.

Nope. Schro plays hard and can play harder. He a high stakes kinda guy. I'm not concerned with the fight thing. Stupid and wrong, but that crap happens and will most likely be plead to nothing affecting the Hawks.

There seem to be two problems here: Schro doesn't want to lose and some Hawks fans are coming down hard on one of ours. Which is the problem?

[dms269]

At first it seemed like everyone here overvalued Dennis. Now we're saying he's a salary dump albatross contract? I'm not a big fan but he's still a 24 year old PG with talent and a lot of upside.

He does have upside, however the negatives are outweighing the upside he has.

Nope. Schro plays hard and can play harder. He a high stakes kinda guy. I'm not concerned with the fight thing. Stupid and wrong, but that crap happens and will most likely be plead to nothing affecting the Hawks.

There seem to be two problems here: Schro doesn't want to lose and some Hawks fans are coming down hard on one of ours. Which is the problem?

We shouldn't be critical of our own players?

Dennis does have some more major faults. His contract is not a positive. Dennis is the 12th highest paid PG in the league. He is not a top 15 pg. He has regressed defensively back on the same level as his first two seasons. Not what people want to see out of a young player. His TS% also regressed and his 3pt shot has become non-existent. In today's NBA, teams want their PG to be able to shoot the ball and defend.

So age/potential v.s. charges + contract + defense + shooting

[MaceCase]

At first it seemed like everyone here overvalued Dennis. Now we're saying he's a salary dump albatross contract? I'm not a big fan but he's still a 24 year old PG with talent and a lot of upside.

He does have upside, however the negatives are outweighing the upside he has.

And they are longstanding negatives which would suggest a trend if not a baseline, not just some result of current circumstances.

[tbhawksfan1]

He does have upside, however the negatives are outweighing the upside he has.

Nope. Schro plays hard and can play harder. He a high stakes kinda guy. I'm not concerned with the fight thing. Stupid and wrong, but that crap happens and will most likely be plead to nothing affecting the Hawks.

There seem to be two problems here: Schro doesn't want to lose and some Hawks fans are coming down hard on one of ours. Which is the problem?

We shouldn't be critical of our own players?

Dennis does have some more major faults. His contract is not a positive. Dennis is the 12th highest paid PG in the league. He is not a top 15 pg. He has regressed defensively back on the same level as his first two seasons. Not what people want to see out of a young player. His TS% also regressed and his 3pt shot has become non-existent. In today's NBA, teams want their PG to be able to shoot the ball and defend.

So age/potential v.s. charges + contract + defense + shooting

You do your thing I do mine. I support Hawks players or support their trade value; even if unreasonable. Shro is either my starting PG and I applaud his progress but want more or is on the table. In that case he's worth a nice lotto pick to me.

[Radioblacktive1]

I don’t know if this has been talked about yet but B/R has an article up about possible trades this summer that make sense and one of them was Schroeder, 19th and 30th to Orlando for Biyombo, Augustin and the 6th pick.

Don’t know about you guys but I would absolutely love this. We can still draft our Bagley or Bamba or even MPJ at 3 AND pick up Young at 6 to replace Dennis. In my opinion, Young’s potential more than makes up for losing Dennis.

The 19th and 30th would be cool to keep but it’s hard to pass up on two lotto picks and there are some nice 2-guards that may slip to 33. Would be handy when we hopefully trade Baze to a contender in February.

[MaceCase]

I don’t know if this has been talked about yet but B/R has an article up about possible trades this summer that make sense and one of them was Schroeder, 19th and 30th to Orlando for Biyombo, Augustin and the 6th pick.

Don’t know about you guys but I would absolutely love this. We can still draft our Bagley or Bamba or even MPJ at 3 AND pick up Young at 6 to replace Dennis. In my opinion, Young’s potential more than makes up for losing Dennis.

The 19th and 30th would be cool to keep but it’s hard to pass up on two lotto picks and there are some nice 2-guards that may slip to 33. Would be handy when we hopefully trade Baze to a contender in February.

I think that if Young is sitting there at 6 then the Magic would keep the pick. Biyombo and Augustin's deals are hard pills to swallow but I suppose that's fair-ish value for #6.

[Radioblacktive1]

I don’t know if this has been talked about yet but B/R has an article up about possible trades this summer that make sense and one of them was Schroeder, 19th and 30th to Orlando for Biyombo, Augustin and the 6th pick.

Don’t know about you guys but I would absolutely love this. We can still draft our Bagley or Bamba or even MPJ at 3 AND pick up Young at 6 to replace Dennis. In my opinion, Young’s potential more than makes up for losing Dennis.

The 19th and 30th would be cool to keep but it’s hard to pass up on two lotto picks and there are some nice 2-guards that may slip to 33. Would be handy when we hopefully trade Baze to a contender in February.

I think that if Young is sitting there at 6 then the Magic would keep the pick. Biyombo and Augustin's deals are hard pills to swallow but I suppose that's fair-ish value for #6.

I’m trying to look at this from a neutral point of view as hard as it is, but I think it’s a good deal. They get an established PG who, flaws and all, is still a good player and maybe could flourish under a new system and then they get two draft picks in a pretty stacked class so 19 and 30 is still very valuable, and lastly, I’m pretty sure we’re lifting a good bit of salary off their heads which they’re gonna need to fight off offers for Gordon.

[King Ken]

If we get Bagley at 3, I would love to flip Plumlee for Biyombo

[King Ken]

If we get Bagley at 3, I would love to flip Plumlee for Biyombo

Unsure if Memphis will do this but I would trade them Bazemore/Prince/Collins for 4/Parsons
and I would take Bamba.

This still gives us money to add Denver pick at 14/Arthur/Faried. We still have 30 and 33. We can flip all three to move up to 10 or 11 and take Sexton. Keep 19th and take a SF

Gives us over 20 in cap space if Moose and Dedmon opt out. We can then focus on getting young wings on discount.

Dennis/Sexton
Dorsey/Bembry
Lee/19th pick/Cleveland
Bagley/Faried/Arthur
Bamba/Plumlee

[atlantabbq99]

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I have already pitched #3 and Dennis for #1.

I wouldn't bother wih #16

I would offer the Sixers, Dennis for #10, Bayless and Covington (this gives the Sixers enough cap for Lebron)

Suns Won't Rule Out Trading No. 1 Overall Pick
"Suns could consider trading the No. 1 pick depending on what is offered, even if it's an established player."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249923/Suns-Wont-Rule-Out-Trading-No-1-Overall-Pick

I called it! Hawks are a natural trading partner for the Suns. Suns can still get their hometown kid in Bagley plus a vet PG, which is the biggest hole in their team.

Alot will ride on individual work outs that are coming up soon.

[atlantabbq99]

Karl-Anthony Towns looking to get out of MIN, anybody interested in this? Obviously #3 would have to be offered at the start of negotiations .

[Spud2nique]

Karl-Anthony Towns looking to get out of MIN, anybody interested in this? Obviously #3 would have to be offered at the start of negotiations .

No way. Never been a KAT guy. I think our franchise needs a brand new fresh face for the future and that has to be one of the prospects in this draft.

[MaceCase]

KAT is basically the pinnacle that we hope that Ayton or Bagley can be. For a young known quantity I'd definitely trade for him, the team didn't do so bad the last time it had a Dominican center.

[Spud2nique]

KAT is basically the pinnacle that we hope that Ayton or Bagley can be. For a young known quantity I'd definitely trade for him, the team didn't do so bad the last time it had a Dominican center.

I think both Ayton and Bagley will exceed KAT as far as impacting wins and losses. KAT has some serious issues with moving his feet and just being consistent from game to game. He is a star don’t get me wrong, but one that doesn’t fit our timeline as far as our youth movement. Again he’s probably going to figure it out sometime, but personally I’m not a huge fan of his overall game.

I just think we need a brand new face for the Hawks. One that we draft, groom and keep forever until his jersey is hanging in the rafters.

#Bagley
#Trae
#Porter jr.

Ps Doncic has slipped on my list. I’d still love him but I do like Trae and Porter a bit more now. Who knew, I dropped my own boy in favor of Macdiddy’s and kg’s. They are the brains behind the operation. I just fix the lights every now n then.