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Political Roundtable Part XX

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Post#681 » by stilldropin20 » Fri May 18, 2018 5:14 am

"fast and furious" that obama DOJ successfully fought in court to keep sealed is about to get unsealed and released to the public. :lol: :lol:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-justice-guns/u-s-justice-dept-to-share-records-in-controversial-gun-smuggling-probe-idUSKCN1GJ2KH


The agreement reached by Republican President Donald Trump’s administration will effectively end a six-year long legal battle in which the committee had gone to federal court to try to enforce a subpoena it had issued to obtain the records.

Congressional Republicans have been pressing the Justice Department for years about the operation. Named after a movie about car racing, the operation sought to curb gun-trafficking criminals who were selling weapons to Mexican drug cartels.

In June 2012, the Republican-led House voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder, an Obama appointee, in contempt for failing to turn over documents about the operation. The committee sued Holder for access to the documents in August 2012. Obama asserted executive privilege to block the disclosure of the documents.

Democrats at the time accused Republicans of engaging in a partisan witch hunt.

In an effort to build bigger cases against major gun traffickers who were selling arms to Mexican cartels, U.S. law enforcement officials elected not to prosecute lower-level offenders transporting more than 2,000 illegal guns.

The operation and its flaws became public after two of those firearms were found in Arizona at the scene of a fatal shooting of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

In September 2012, the Justice Department’s inspector general released a report faulting 12 department employees for failures related to the operation. The report vindicated Holder, concluding he neither conceived the operation nor attempted a cover-up.

Holder, now a partner at the law firm Covington and Burling LLP, could not be immediately reached at his office on Wednesday.
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Post#682 » by stilldropin20 » Fri May 18, 2018 5:56 am

We all know that none of you liberal care at that the Obama admin and DOJ actively surveilled the Trump campaign so as to soil him up as both a candidate and president elect.

but....Are you OK with it if the Trump admin and DOJ does the same in 2019 and 2020?

Cuz trump is going to get through both this investigation and also survive the blue wave which is looking more and more like a pink wave if not a all out red wave in 2018.

I hope you guys are OK with it because I hope he surveils the shxt out of them as well. and uses and "leaks" the crap out of them.







https://www.wsj.com/articles/was-trumps-campaign-set-up-1526598374



“If the campaign was somehow set up,” he told the hosts, “I think that would be a problem.”

Or an understatement. Mr. Nunes is still getting stiff-armed by the Justice Department

New York Times apologia in which government “officials” acknowledged that the bureau had used “at least one” human “informant” to spy on both Carter Page and George Papadopoulos. The Times slipped this mind-bending fact into the middle of an otherwise glowing profile of the noble bureau—and dismissed it as no big deal.

But there’s more to be revealed here, and Mr. Nunes’s “set up” comment points in a certain direction. Getting to the conclusion requires thinking more broadly about events beyond the FBI’s actions.

Think of the 2016 Trump-Russia narrative as two parallel strands—one politics, one law enforcement. The political side involves the actions of Fusion GPS, the Hillary Clinton campaign and Obama officials—all of whom were focused on destroying Donald Trump. The law-enforcement strand involves the FBI—and what methods and evidence it used in its Trump investigation. At some point these strands intersected—and one crucial question is how early that happened.


In “late spring” of 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey briefed White House “National Security Council Principals” that the FBI had counterintelligence concerns about the Trump campaign.

With this briefing, Mr. Comey officially notified senior political operators on Team Obama that the bureau had eyes on Donald Trump and Russia. Imagine what might be done in these partisan times with such explosive information.
Sometime in April, the law firm Perkins Coie (on behalf the Clinton campaign) hired Fusion GPS, and Fusion turned its attention to Trump-Russia connections. The job of any good swamp operator is to gin up a fatal October surprise for the opposition candidate. And what could be more devastating than to paint a picture of Trump-Russia collusion that would provoke a full-fledged FBI investigation?



We already know of at least one way Fusion went about that project, with wild success. It hired former British spy Christopher Steele to compile that infamous dossier. In July, Mr. Steele wrote a memo that leveled spectacular conspiracy theories against two particular Trump campaign members—Messrs. Manafort and Page. For an FBI that already had suspicions about the duo, those allegations might prove huge—right? That is, if the FBI were to ever see them. Though, lucky for Mrs. Clinton, July is when the Fusion team decided it was a matter of urgent national security for Mr. Steele to play off his credentials and to take this political opposition research to the FBI.
The question Mr. Nunes’s committee seems to be investigating is what other moments—if any—were engineered in the spring, summer or fall of 2016 to cast suspicion on Team Trump. The conservative press has produced some intriguing stories about a handful of odd invitations and meetings that were arranged for Messrs. Page and Papadopoulos starting in the spring—all emanating from the United Kingdom. On one hand, that country is home to the well-connected Mr. Steele, which could mean the political actors with whom he was working were involved. On the other hand, the Justice Department has admitted it was spying on both men, which could mean government was involved. Or maybe . . . both.

Which brings us to timing. It’s long been known that Mr. Steele went to the FBI in early July to talk about the dossier, and that’s the first known intersection of the strands. But given the oddity and timing of those U.K. interactions concerning Messrs. Page and Papadopoulos, and given the history of some of the people involved in arranging them, some wonder if the two strands were converging earlier than anyone has admitted. The Intelligence Committee subpoena is designed to sort all this out: Who was pulling the strings, and what was the goal? Information? Or entrapment?

Whatever the answer—whether it is straightforward, or whether it involves political chicanery—Congress and the public have a right to know. And a Justice Department willing to leak details of its “top secret” source to friendly media can have no excuse for not sharing with the duly elected members of Congress.
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Post#683 » by closg00 » Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am

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This is criminal, Kushner used the power of the U.S Government to blackmail Qatari into bailing-out his 666 property.
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Post#684 » by TGW » Fri May 18, 2018 11:44 am

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Post#685 » by gtn130 » Fri May 18, 2018 1:50 pm

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This is criminal, Kushner used the power of the U.S Government to blackmail Qatari into bailing-out his 666 property.


Honestly think this is a little overblown at this stage. Qatar apparently owns like 7% of that company. I wouldn't doubt that there's shady stuff going on regarding Kushner, but I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.
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Post#686 » by gtn130 » Fri May 18, 2018 1:54 pm

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Glad there's no longer any pretense that crimes won't be found. Donald J Trump, galactic brain genius
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Post#687 » by closg00 » Fri May 18, 2018 2:49 pm

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closg00 wrote:
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This is criminal, Kushner used the power of the U.S Government to blackmail Qatari into bailing-out his 666 property.


Honestly think this is a little overblown at this stage. Qatar apparently owns like 7% of that company. I wouldn't doubt that there's shady stuff going on regarding Kushner, but I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.


Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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Post#688 » by stilldropin20 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:00 pm

closg00 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
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This is criminal, Kushner used the power of the U.S Government to blackmail Qatari into bailing-out his 666 property.


Honestly think this is a little overblown at this stage. Qatar apparently owns like 7% of that company. I wouldn't doubt that there's shady stuff going on regarding Kushner, but I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.


Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!
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Post#689 » by gtn130 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:10 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Honestly think this is a little overblown at this stage. Qatar apparently owns like 7% of that company. I wouldn't doubt that there's shady stuff going on regarding Kushner, but I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.


Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


What on earth are you talking about? The mortgage is for $1.2B on a property worth $500 million. Lease revenue on the building doesn't even cover monthly interest payments.

You're a realtor aren't you? Go ahead and do the CMA - I'm sure the current estimate is $700m+ off!

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Post#690 » by gtn130 » Fri May 18, 2018 7:12 pm

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Post#691 » by stilldropin20 » Fri May 18, 2018 7:57 pm

gtn130 wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


What on earth are you talking about? The mortgage is for $1.2B on a property worth $500 million. Lease revenue on the building doesn't even cover monthly interest payments.

You're a realtor aren't you? Go ahead and do the CMA - I'm sure the current estimate is $700m+ off!

SD20 completely FOS


id the dept held entirely by the kushners? because i think they only own 51% or so of the building?

how many floors total in the building that they own? how many sf per floor? How much parking? or is parking at least available to rent for tennents? How high are the ceilings per floor? How much interior space is taken up by infrastructure.

Assuming they will renovate instead of tear down and build new,and go high end residential, i can give you a solid estimate of what the space will be worth post construction and the approx. cost of the construction.
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Post#692 » by CobraCommander » Fri May 18, 2018 8:31 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Honestly think this is a little overblown at this stage. Qatar apparently owns like 7% of that company. I wouldn't doubt that there's shady stuff going on regarding Kushner, but I think we're jumping the gun a bit here.


Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


I dont understand how Breitbart subscribers heads are not exploding over the fact that a government official is taking MONEY for PERSONAL gain from a Muslim country... Jared is speaking for the country at embassy openings and collecting money from foreign governments. Hillary shouldn’t have done that and Jared shouldn’t be doing this either...Americans are SO gullible....MAGA...same ole swamp.
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Post#693 » by stilldropin20 » Fri May 18, 2018 8:39 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


I dont understand how Breitbart subscribers heads are not exploding over the fact that a government official is taking MONEY for PERSONAL gain from a Muslim country... Jared is speaking for the country at embassy openings and collecting money from foreign governments. Hillary shouldn’t have done that and Jared shouldn’t be doing this either...Americans are SO gullible....MAGA...same ole swamp.


i thought everyone else had to go blind trust. and in kushners case, his dad runs the joint? or he is blind trust?

trump is the only one who didn't go blind trust. but his sons run it.

and "taking?"

How so? He is borrowing against his building? I assume that are taking on renovation loans.
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Post#694 » by gtn130 » Fri May 18, 2018 8:46 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app


id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


I dont understand how Breitbart subscribers heads are not exploding over the fact that a government official is taking MONEY for PERSONAL gain from a Muslim country... Jared is speaking for the country at embassy openings and collecting money from foreign governments. Hillary shouldn’t have done that and Jared shouldn’t be doing this either...Americans are SO gullible....MAGA...same ole swamp.


Vast majority of Trump supporters like SD20 are completely unprincipled, don't care about policy at all and just see politics as a sport. It's all about identity politics and their team winning.
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Post#695 » by CobraCommander » Fri May 18, 2018 8:48 pm

another school shooting-

So....
Multiple police in the building with guns...check-
Shooters Guns obtained legally...check-
The school did active shooter drills...check-
Students did a walk out after the parkland shooting in protest...check-
10 kids dead 10 kids wounded...check-
All that noise after parkland and sandy hook and another mass shooting...check.

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Btw...completely unconnected to the issue...but its odd how this guy had a shootout with a cop...shot another cop and he was able to surrender unharmed but a certain demographic of people are getting shot 10+ times by cops for... you know carrying a cell phone after breaking windows with a “tool bar”
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Post#696 » by stilldropin20 » Sat May 19, 2018 2:41 am

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Post#697 » by TGW » Sat May 19, 2018 2:59 am

Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Post#698 » by stilldropin20 » Sat May 19, 2018 5:18 am

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Post#699 » by TGW » Sat May 19, 2018 6:17 am

CobraCommander wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
Prior to entering Government, Kushner was in deep sh-it on his 666 property, no one was going to bail him out. Kushners enters Government and and leans on Qatar to “invest” in his company. This is complete BS


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id like to do a or see a CMA on the building, (specifically the floors they owned or the combined % of the building that they owned), the debt on the building. and then another CMA post contruction. before i jump to any conclusions like they were in trouble on the property.


And frankly, i dont think this narrative would change if it were Canadian bank, French or even Bank of America down the street. You guys would find something to make it look nefarious.

Just becuase they Trump ran and won office, they dont have to shut down their businesses. This narrative that they do,is rediculous!


I dont understand how Breitbart subscribers heads are not exploding over the fact that a government official is taking MONEY for PERSONAL gain from a Muslim country... Jared is speaking for the country at embassy openings and collecting money from foreign governments. Hillary shouldn’t have done that and Jared shouldn’t be doing this either...Americans are SO gullible....MAGA...same ole swamp.


Dude, maga just sold $400B in weapons to a Muslim mafia family in Saudi Arabia. A country that beheads people, sponsors terrorism, and oppresses women. This kushner thing is nothing compared to the trump admin’s Saudi asskissing.
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