Offers for pick #3

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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#41 » by JamesConway » Fri May 18, 2018 2:48 pm

Bentley1225 wrote:I would target Dallas. Mavs select a PF in Bagley and Hawks select Bomba at #5. What Dallas would have to give up to convince HAwks to trade down 2 spot remains to be seen. Ill offer this

To Atlanta
-#5 pick (Bomba)
-2019 2nd round pick (56-60 protected)
-2021 2nd round pick

To Dallas
-#3 pick (Bagley)

Horrible value for ATL, we're not moving up two spots in the top 5 of that type of draft class with a bunch of 2nd round picks. Besides we can't even trade the 2019 2nd bc it's going to Philly due to the Noel-trade.

Chances are slim to non-existent that we can move up. Dennis Smith is by far our best asset besides the pick and we're not moving him.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#42 » by JB2 » Fri May 18, 2018 2:49 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Bulls offer would probably be 7/22/Portis. I'm not that high on him, especially factoring in fit, but the Bulls apparently love Bagley.


they should love Bamba... Bamba/Lauri in 5 years, look out.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#43 » by Green_teamer » Fri May 18, 2018 2:55 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:
dms269 wrote:
I don't see Atlanta wanting to drop 24 spots in this draft to pick up a 4th year starter in Rozier when they are in a rebuild. I think the thought is to move down a couple of spots so they can get whoever they are aiming for (Young, MPJ, ect.) while picking up another piece.

You also get 2 picks which you can use if you want to trade to get back up in the draft.

Maybe a 3 team deal?

BOS gets 3
ATL gets Rozier 27 X
Team X gets MEM SAC picks

Let’s say that Team X is in the 6-10 range

ATL gets Rozier and 27 for dropping down 3-7 spots.

Thoughts?


I don't think you're getting the concept of trading down vs trading out.

BOS isn't getting a top 3 pick using Rozier and some rando late 1st ... oh and the off-chance that ATL might be able to trade back up.


I wouldn't call the sac and menphis pick late picks.

The Sacramento pick is only top 1 protected and the the Memphis pick is 1-8 protected next year 1-6 protected in 2020 and unprotected in 2021. And Memphis was horrible this year
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#44 » by the_process » Fri May 18, 2018 3:02 pm

Baller1234a wrote:
dms269 wrote:
Baller1234a wrote:You also get 2 picks which you can use if you want to trade to get back up in the draft.

Maybe a 3 team deal?

BOS gets 3
ATL gets Rozier 27 X
Team X gets MEM SAC picks

Let’s say that Team X is in the 6-10 range

ATL gets Rozier and 27 for dropping down 3-7 spots.

Thoughts?


Except no team is going to trade a pick in the 6-10 range for those two firsts alone.

The Sixers for example would trade the 10th for the SAC pick alone.


No they certainly wouldn’t. Let Boston deal with that crap shoot draft next year.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#45 » by Baller1234a » Fri May 18, 2018 3:03 pm

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Baller1234a wrote:
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Except no team is going to trade a pick in the 6-10 range for those two firsts alone.

The Sixers for example would trade the 10th for the SAC pick alone.


No they certainly wouldn’t. Let Boston deal with that crap shoot draft next year.

I think I already hashed this out with Bully King and what the Sixers would really do,but if you got anything different to add to that go ahead.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#46 » by dlb731 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:04 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:Bulls offer would probably be 7/22/Portis. I'm not that high on him, especially factoring in fit, but the Bulls apparently love Bagley.


they should love Bamba... Bamba/Lauri in 5 years, look out.


Don't think Bamba slips past Dallas, though... But I know I've heard they would love to get Porter if available..
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#47 » by the_process » Fri May 18, 2018 3:14 pm

Baller1234a wrote:
the_process wrote:
Baller1234a wrote:The Sixers for example would trade the 10th for the SAC pick alone.


No they certainly wouldn’t. Let Boston deal with that crap shoot draft next year.

I think I already hashed this out with Bully King and what the Sixers would really do,but if you got anything different to add to that go ahead.


The only thing I would add is that IMO it would take more than adding 27 and dumping Bayless.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#48 » by the_process » Fri May 18, 2018 3:17 pm

ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#49 » by Texas Chuck » Fri May 18, 2018 3:18 pm

BullyKing wrote: I would not trade the 10th pick straight up for the SAC pick because next year's draft looks significantly weaker .



I agree with you on not liking that trade for Philly, but I feel obliged to give my usual disclaimer that its way too soon for us to be claiming the following draft is weaker than this one. With the rare exception of maybe Lebron--we just don't even know this far out who the top prospects will be for sure. Shabazz Mohammad and Skal this far from their actual drafts were considered the clear number 1 and neither guy ended up being a top 10 pick. Or a guy like Joe Smith wasn't a top 100 recruit and went 1st overall after his freshman year.

So when you hear "pundits" suggesting this they are largely talking out their backsides. These players are so young that development curves can be very different plus with players having to spend a year in college how they fare there can have a real impact on how they are seen as prospects.

Sorry to harp on this, especially since I agree with this not being a trade Philly should make but its really a pet peeve of mine.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#50 » by FixTheKnicks » Fri May 18, 2018 3:24 pm

#9, #36, 2020 First, lance thomas, Dotson for Schroder, #3
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#51 » by dlb731 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:28 pm

the_process wrote:ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando
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Post#52 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:45 pm

FixTheKnicks wrote:#9, #36, 2020 First, lance thomas, Dotson for Schroder, #3


I think it would need to be 9, Frank, 36, 2020 1st for 3
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#53 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri May 18, 2018 3:48 pm

dlb731 wrote:
the_process wrote:ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Yeah this is really interesting. Laying it out:

ATL sends #3
ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10

ORL sends #6 and Mack
ORL gets Fultz and #26

PHI sends Fultz, Bayless, #10, #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


ATL still ends up with one of JJJ, Bamba, or Porter.

Magic get a better PG prospect than Young.

Philly gets Bagley or the ammo to trade for a star.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#54 » by gobullschi » Fri May 18, 2018 3:52 pm

Eskobar13 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Bulls offer would probably be 7/22/Portis. I'm not that high on him, especially factoring in fit, but the Bulls apparently love Bagley.


I'd do this in a heartbeat if I'm the Hawks.

However, I might be too high on Portis lol.


Bobby Portis took a big step this season. His outside shot is legit. Unfortunately he is a poor shot blocker which doesn't pair well with Markkanen. He will also be due for a new contract soon.

If Hawks would take 7, 22, & Portis for 3 I think the Bulls jump on that and I think Doncic, Porter, Bagley, or Bamba would all be in play.
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Post#55 » by cool93 » Fri May 18, 2018 4:01 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
dlb731 wrote:
the_process wrote:ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Yeah this is really interesting. Laying it out:

ATL sends #3
ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10

ORL sends #6 and Mack
ORL gets Fultz and #26

PHI sends Fultz, Bayless, #10, #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


ATL still ends up with one of JJJ, Bamba, or Porter.

Magic get a better PG prospect than Young.

Philly gets Bagley or the ammo to trade for a star.
Sixers would NEVER do this

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Post#56 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri May 18, 2018 4:08 pm

cool93 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
dlb731 wrote:
I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Yeah this is really interesting. Laying it out:

ATL sends #3
ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10

ORL sends #6 and Mack
ORL gets Fultz and #26

PHI sends Fultz, Bayless, #10, #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


ATL still ends up with one of JJJ, Bamba, or Porter.

Magic get a better PG prospect than Young.

Philly gets Bagley or the ammo to trade for a star.
Sixers would NEVER do this

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Well it was proposed by a Sixers fan.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#57 » by Chris76 » Fri May 18, 2018 4:08 pm

dlb731 wrote:
the_process wrote:ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Not sure Philly would do this in a heartbeat.

Simmons needs a defensive, play making shooter at guard.
Which Fultz was supposed to be before his injury.

At 3 the target should be JJJ, which Philly has Saric, Simmons, Bolden, Holmes, and Covington as 4s.

Fultz shouldn't be traded, he showed promise in the brief time he played. TJ showed how more productive Simmons can be with another playmaker, more rebounds and strong finishing.
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Re: RE: Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#58 » by the_process » Fri May 18, 2018 4:15 pm

cool93 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
dlb731 wrote:
I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Yeah this is really interesting. Laying it out:

ATL sends #3
ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10

ORL sends #6 and Mack
ORL gets Fultz and #26

PHI sends Fultz, Bayless, #10, #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


ATL still ends up with one of Bamba or Porter.

Magic get a better PG prospect than Young.

Philly gets Bagley JJJ or the ammo to trade for a star.
Sixers would NEVER do this

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If you want to do better than Miles ******* Bridges (yuck!)... then you move up and take Jaren Jackson. This also clears LeBron room, or very close to it.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#59 » by the_process » Fri May 18, 2018 4:23 pm

Chris76 wrote:
dlb731 wrote:
the_process wrote:ATL gets Bayless, #6 and #10
ORL gets Fultz and #26
PHI gets Mack and #3


I think Atlanta would do this in a heartbeat... As would Philly... May need to sweeten it for Orlando, though.

Maybe ATL adds the 19th to the to Orlando


Not sure Philly would do this in a heartbeat.

Simmons needs a defensive, play making shooter at guard.
Which Fultz was supposed to be before his injury.

At 3 the target should be JJJ, which Philly has Saric, Simmons, Bolden, Holmes, and Covington as 4s.

Fultz shouldn't be traded, he showed promise in the brief time he played. TJ showed how more productive Simmons can be with another playmaker, more rebounds and strong finishing.


Correct on the target. However, and leaving Fultz out of this because we disagree, there’s no crowding at the 4. Holmes is on the way out and Covington and Simmons play other positions. And Bolden is somewhat of an unknown as well.
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Re: Offers for pick #3 

Post#60 » by Wizenheimer » Fri May 18, 2018 4:26 pm

scoobs07 wrote:Maybe Ingram and Deng for #3 and #19. I dont think there is anybody at #3 that we particularly want but, Lakers are most likely highly motivated to move Deng.


Spens1 wrote:Lonzo+Deng+25 for 3 if for some reason the Kings pull a fast one and draft Bagley (i REALLY want Doncic tbh, would be interesting as hell).



yikes!!!

I must have missed the news report that said Deng had morphed back into 25 years old. Why in the hell would Atlanta trade a #3 pick and accept any negative value asset?

I mean, one of you has Ingram with a value so high he could get a 3rd and 19th pick...that's AFTER offsetting the negative value of Deng and his contract. It's really debatable that Atlanta would trade the 3rd pick for Ingram alone. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't....Ingram has showed some good potential, but has it been potential as high as what teams hope to glean from a top-3 pick?

and the other is having Atlanta accept the 2nd pick last season for the 3rd this season...and Deng. Again with the dang deng stuff

those trades would have at least been interesting if there had been no mention of Deng....or the 19th pick.

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