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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#41 » by jcsunsfan » Fri May 18, 2018 5:46 pm

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The Memphis Grizzlies caught a bad break in the NBA Draft Lottery, dropping to No. 4 in the draft order from their projected slot at No. 2.

As that likely means missing out on both of their preferred targets in Deandre Ayton and Luka Doncic, there's a sense around the league that the Grizzlies would be willing to trade the fourth overall pick, according to Sean Deveney of Sporting News.

"If you have someone you like in the first few picks, they're the first call you'd make," a rival general manager told Deveney. "They, obviously, were the most disappointed with the way the lottery went and the options they have now. It seems like they want to try to turn that pick into something else.

"Everyone's going to talk before the draft, of course. But Memphis, I think they're the ones who are going to be more ready to do something than others."

Whether they'd be looking to deal the pick for established NBA talent, or a package of picks or long-term assets, is unclear. But the Grizzlies' reticence is understandable; the draft process has not been at all fruitful for the franchise in recent years. In the past decade, exactly two of their draftees (Dillon Brooks and Jarell Martin) have turned into serviceable rotation players in Memphis, with the jury still out on Deyonta Davis and Ivan Rabb. Seven of their last eight first-round picks lasted less than two full seasons with the club.

In other words, just about any other team would likely make better use of the No. 4 pick than the Grizzlies.


I knew they would be the ones!

See fella's its happening!!!!


Trade with them while they are still depressed. The #4 pick in this draft could easily yield a player that would be a #1 pick in any other draft. If they wanted Ayton, why would then not be interested in Bamba or Jackson. Just crazy.

If the Suns could get the #4, I believe Duffy could manipulate the draft enough to get his player down that far. But the Suns should not become infatuated with the idea. There are other options besides Doncic.
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Re: The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1 

Post#42 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 5:53 pm

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DarkHawk wrote:Sounds like Memphis may be interested in dealing their pick. But only because Ayton and Doncic would have already been taken.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1546339


Yup, thats why you trade for the pick well before the draft. They think Doncic wont be there, but he forces himself to be passed by the Kings and Hawks, and then he is all ours! :wizard:


As long as it does not include JJ or Booker or Ayton.....I’d give up the farm...maybe a three way. Doncic talks his way into falling or trading the number 4 with Sac if we have some left over assets after getting number 4.

Trading away next year’s unprotected is cool because it’s like you are cashing it in on this draft. 16 expendable Miami Milwaukee our 2021 Warren Chris Bender.....


They are looking for more win-now productive players that they can use while they still have Conley/Gasol, and as much as i love JJ, he really isnt ready for that role quite yet, but Warren totally is and would be their starting SF.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#43 » by JMac1 » Fri May 18, 2018 5:54 pm

sunsbum wrote:Y'all are in lala land.


Uh....yea. We just won the draft lottery, so anything is possible. Still under the ether. You gotta believe. Lol!

We are riding this lucky streaky as long as we can. Booker and JJ look to be studs and the number one pick.

You have to roll the dice when you are hot!!
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#44 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 5:56 pm

ATTL wrote:TJ, 16, milwaukee, unprotected 2019 suns first? For
4, bad contract?


Warren/Chandler/#16/2019 1st/2020 Bucks 1st .......and our 2021 1st if need be (We still own Miami's 2021 1st Unprotected) for #4/Parsons
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#45 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 6:01 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:If the Suns could get the #4, I believe Duffy could manipulate the draft enough to get his player down that far. But the Suns should not become infatuated with the idea. There are other options besides Doncic.


BINGO! I said it yesterday, that Memphis would be the team, and here we are a day later and word is that Memphis could be looking to trade the #4. Duffy can easily force Doncic to drop 2 spots. There already is no workouts, he can withhold the medical from teams (Like Porzingis agent did) and threaten to not come over (Like Rubio did). Do they gamble for Doncic, or grab one of the other great players in this loaded draft? Do they continue losing with their current roster for the next 2+ season waiting for Doncic to come (Despite not having their own 2019 1st), or do they start winning again with Bagley or Bamba?

I truely believe that if McD wants both Ayton & Doncic, he can easily get both. Everyday looking brighter than the next!
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#46 » by darealjuice » Fri May 18, 2018 6:04 pm

Memphis can't trade their pick unless they're getting a first round pick in this draft in return because they traded their top 8 protected 2019 first rounder to the Celtics. I can't tell if Memphis is going to blow it up and rebuild this offseason, or hope they're healthy next year to give it one more shot before the wheels completely fall off in the next year or two. Either way, it'd be wise to bring on a top prospect in a strong draft considering the lack of young talent they have.

I think they'll be a swap target for Orlando and Chicago so they can still get a top prospect while dumping salary or bringing in a contributing player/more picks. Clippers could be an option too, they have 2 late lottery picks in this draft and solid contributing players that'd be available. I don't think we'd be in the running without including #16 and a lightly protected 2019 first round pick, and we don't have a lot to offer as far as contributing players on the table outside of maybe TJ if that's a goal of theirs.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#47 » by Bogyo » Fri May 18, 2018 6:10 pm

TJ, 16, Milwaukee, unprotected 2019 for 4 and bad contract is fine by me.
Draft Ayton at 1 and Trae at 4, or draft Doncic at 1 and one of Bamba, Bagley, JJJ, at 4.
I'd jizz my pants with any of those scenarios, quite frankly.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#48 » by TeamTragic » Fri May 18, 2018 6:12 pm

LukasBMW wrote:We lost our shot at Doncic when we traded Knight for the #10 pick.

We COULD have possibly packaged #10 and #16 to move up to 6/7/8 and hope Doncic would fall.

I think the Cavs and Knicks are the only teams that could trade away the pick for a reasonable price.

The other crazy "conspiracy" scenario is if the Clippers want to add Lebron and Kawai and need cap space. Perhaps the Clippers send 12/13 to Dallas, we add 16. We get back the #5 pick and we absorb bad contracts.

So:

-Clippers give away 12 and 13 for cap space
-Dallas trades #5 for 12, 13 and 16.
-We get 5 in exchange for 16 and taking on dead weight


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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#49 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 6:33 pm

darealjuice wrote:Memphis can't trade their pick unless they're getting a first round pick in this draft in return because they traded their top 8 protected 2019 first rounder to the Celtics. I can't tell if Memphis is going to blow it up and rebuild this offseason, or hope they're healthy next year to give it one more shot before the wheels completely fall off in the next year or two. Either way, it'd be wise to bring on a top prospect in a strong draft considering the lack of young talent they have.

I think they'll be a swap target for Orlando and Chicago so they can still get a top prospect while dumping salary or bringing in a contributing player/more picks. Clippers could be an option too, they have 2 late lottery picks in this draft and solid contributing players that'd be available. I don't think we'd be in the running without including #16 and a lightly protected 2019 first round pick, and we don't have a lot to offer as far as contributing players on the table outside of maybe TJ if that's a goal of theirs.


Well, thats fine and they would be getting back a 1st this season, ours, #16!

The article clearly states they they will probably be looking to win next season, and that they are horrible at judging talent and drafting. They are kinda let down because they dropped and didnt end up with a top 2 pick.

Warren right away would make a HUGE impact on the team as the starting SF! They were stuck with rookie 2nd rounder Dillon Brooks as their starting SF for christs sake. Adding Warren to Conley/Gasol would be huge, not just for the team, but for Warren as well. Chandler gives them a serviceable C (On an expiring contract) to come off the bench for Gasol, and they get to dump Parsons horrible contract.

They slide down the draft this season, and obtain 3 future 1sts. Maybe they dont even use those 1sts themselves, but use them as tradebait to get already established veterans that can help them sooner rather than later.

Im telling you, its PERFECT!
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#50 » by Hesh » Fri May 18, 2018 6:38 pm

Does memphis really want to make us stronger by offering the #4 pick when we already have #1 though
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Post#51 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 6:52 pm

Hesh wrote:Does memphis really want to make us stronger by offering the #4 pick when we already have #1 though


No matter what its going to take us a good 3-4 years before we are really a threat. You dont go from worst team in the NBA to playoff contender in one offseason (Specially when your biggest move is adding 2 rookies).
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#52 » by darealjuice » Fri May 18, 2018 7:01 pm

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Well, thats fine and they would be getting back a 1st this season, ours, #16!

The article clearly states they they will probably be looking to win next season, and that they are horrible at judging talent and drafting. They are kinda let down because they dropped and didnt end up with a top 2 pick.

Warren right away would make a HUGE impact on the team as the starting SF! They were stuck with rookie 2nd rounder Dillon Brooks as their starting SF for christs sake. Adding Warren to Conley/Gasol would be huge, not just for the team, but for Warren as well. Chandler gives them a serviceable C (On an expiring contract) to come off the bench for Gasol, and they get to dump Parsons horrible contract.

They slide down the draft this season, and obtain 3 future 1sts. Maybe they dont even use those 1sts themselves, but use them as tradebait to get already established veterans that can help them sooner rather than later.

Im telling you, its PERFECT!


I know lol I read the article... I pointed out that they can't trade it without receiving a pick because the article talked about them trading the pick for a player but didn't mention that stipulation. I don't doubt that they'd prefer to win next year either considering they owe Boston their pick.

I don't wanna rain on anyone's parade, I just sincerely can't see it happening. This is all based on the assumption that Doncic would steer away from the Kings despite the Slavic connection, the Hawks don't call his bluff of staying in Europe, and Memphis can't find a package better than #16, likely #5-10 next year, #20-30 from Milwaukee in 2020, and TJ Warren for Luka Doncic should he happen to fall that far. It's not impossible, but I view it as very unlikely that everything falls into place perfectly for us like that lol.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#53 » by Fo-Real » Fri May 18, 2018 7:02 pm

Im guessing Memphis REALLY wants to rid themselves of Chandler Parsons contract.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#54 » by GeraldsGreenery » Fri May 18, 2018 7:03 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Hesh wrote:Does memphis really want to make us stronger by offering the #4 pick when we already have #1 though


No matter what its going to take us a good 3-4 years before we are really a threat. You dont go from worst team in the NBA to playoff contender in one offseason (Specially when your biggest move is adding 2 rookies).


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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#55 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 7:10 pm

darealjuice wrote:I don't wanna rain on anyone's parade, I just sincerely can't see it happening. This is all based on the assumption that Doncic would steer away from the Kings despite the Slavic connection, the Hawks don't call his bluff of staying in Europe, and Memphis can't find a package better than #16, likely #5-10 next year, #20-30 from Milwaukee in 2020, and TJ Warren for Luka Doncic should he happen to fall that far. It's not impossible, but I view it as very unlikely that everything falls into place perfectly for us like that lol.


You are forgetting they are getting out of Parsons $50M over the next 2 seasons. Do you remember Parsons? Thats a huge deal.
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#56 » by GeraldsGreenery » Fri May 18, 2018 7:12 pm

Hold up....now if we can somehow trade for Towns, then i'm all in on Luka
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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#57 » by RunDogGun » Fri May 18, 2018 7:13 pm

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ATTL wrote:TJ, 16, milwaukee, unprotected 2019 suns first? For
4, bad contract?


Warren/Chandler/#16/2019 1st/2020 Bucks 1st .......and our 2021 1st if need be (We still own Miami's 2021 1st Unprotected) for #4/Parsons

I’d like to keep Chandler to mentor Ayton though. With three first rounders, couldn’t we use Knight to make salaries work?
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Post#58 » by Hesh » Fri May 18, 2018 7:15 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Hesh wrote:Does memphis really want to make us stronger by offering the #4 pick when we already have #1 though


No matter what its going to take us a good 3-4 years before we are really a threat. You dont go from worst team in the NBA to playoff contender in one offseason (Specially when your biggest move is adding 2 rookies).


The Sixers have shown that its possible though, adding a rookie and a big who had only played half a season prior to this season where they were bottom 5 last season
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Post#59 » by Kerrsed » Fri May 18, 2018 7:15 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Im guessing Memphis REALLY wants to rid themselves of Chandler Parsons contract.


Wouldnt you? I mean they gave him a huge contract that he didnt deserve and he has played like s**t. And thats when he has actually played, i mean since he signed that contract with them he has player a total of 70 games over the past 2 seasons (Around 35 per season).

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Re: The Ayton & Doncic Conspiracy Thread 

Post#60 » by RunDogGun » Fri May 18, 2018 7:19 pm

darealjuice wrote:Memphis can't trade their pick unless they're getting a first round pick in this draft in return because they traded their top 8 protected 2019 first rounder to the Celtics. I can't tell if Memphis is going to blow it up and rebuild this offseason, or hope they're healthy next year to give it one more shot before the wheels completely fall off in the next year or two. Either way, it'd be wise to bring on a top prospect in a strong draft considering the lack of young talent they have.

I think they'll be a swap target for Orlando and Chicago so they can still get a top prospect while dumping salary or bringing in a contributing player/more picks. Clippers could be an option too, they have 2 late lottery picks in this draft and solid contributing players that'd be available. I don't think we'd be in the running without including #16 and a lightly protected 2019 first round pick, and we don't have a lot to offer as far as contributing players on the table outside of maybe TJ if that's a goal of theirs.

As long as they make the pick, they can trade it afterwards, right? But it has to be either on draft day, after they pick, or afterwards, not before, right?

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