Marvin Bagley

[nolang1]

If he was that effective in practice he'd have played sone games

That doesn't hold up to any sort of common sense. You think Ben Simmons couldn't have played in any games in 2015-16?

Yes but they were tanking

There you have it. Philadelphia won 2 more games last year than the Kings did this season. Not much benefit to throwing someone out there for the last 10-20 games when the team is obviously not in the midst of a playoff push.

[ItsThatEasy]

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

Obviously none of us are in the organization but in general it seems comical to base a draft choice off Harry Giles.

Maybe he looks like Wilt in practice though, idk.

I don't know why people are focusing on that part more than the fact that Ayton and Doncic are the consensus top 2 so if you like Bagley over Ayton you have a decent chance of trading down and still getting the player you want.

Yea I get it but when you make a statement like that people are going to focus on it lol

[nolang1]

Obviously none of us are in the organization but in general it seems comical to base a draft choice off Harry Giles.

Maybe he looks like Wilt in practice though, idk.

I don't know why people are focusing on that part more than the fact that Ayton and Doncic are the consensus top 2 so if you like Bagley over Ayton you have a decent chance of trading down and still getting the player you want.

Yea I get it but when you make a statement like that people are going to focus on it lol

I don't know what's so controversial about thinking a healthy Harry Giles is a very good player. He was the number one recruit for much of his high school career and has been healthy enough to do stuff in practice for a while.

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[ItsThatEasy]

I don't know why people are focusing on that part more than the fact that Ayton and Doncic are the consensus top 2 so if you like Bagley over Ayton you have a decent chance of trading down and still getting the player you want.

Yea I get it but when you make a statement like that people are going to focus on it lol

I don't know what's so controversial about thinking a healthy Harry Giles is a very good player. He was the number one recruit for much of his high school career and has been healthy enough to do stuff in practice for a while.

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This is really the video you chose to prove your point?

You don't determine your lottery pick based on Harry Giles dude, it's that simple.

[BoogieTime]

I wouldn’t take Bagley over Ayton or Luka but you can’t make your decision based on Harry Giles.

Chances are slim to none he ever comes back close to what he once was after the injuries..

People forget Giles has been practicing since February. So the Kings aren’t exactly guessing as to his status. They have a pretty good idea how he will play.

Unless they have a crystal ball, they still have no idea how his body will hold up so it is really anybody's guess what Giles' future might be like. Personally I don't see SAC going for Bagley anyways but I just don't believe that Giles would be that big of a part of why they didn't choose him ie/ if it were Anthony Davis that was available, nobody cares n he's getting selected anyways. I really don't think a kid who's ruined both knees n didn't look that great in college though really factors that highly in their decision making.

But because either of Ayton or Doncic look like a much better fit with Fox in particular I think they're just going to pull the trigger on whoever isn't taken with Bamba getting some consideration due to his upside (as Drummond did). Them being a better fit should Giles return to form will just be icing on the cake but I personally don't believe he factors THAT heavily into the decision because again if there was a player that looked like a generational talent, fit be damned but those 2 look to be equal, if not better prospects so why bother?!

They specifically traded down for him last year for a reason. It’s comical to just write him off. He’s apparently doing work in practice. I remain skeptical until I see it in games, but the org likes him behind the scenes by all accounts

[BoogieTime]

Yea I get it but when you make a statement like that people are going to focus on it lol

I don't know what's so controversial about thinking a healthy Harry Giles is a very good player. He was the number one recruit for much of his high school career and has been healthy enough to do stuff in practice for a while.

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This is really the video you chose to prove your point?

You don't determine your lottery pick based on Harry Giles dude, it's that simple.

That depends how they feel about him. If the hype he’s generated is remotely true, after having traded down for him for a reason, maybe they do look at it. Depends if the hype he’s generated has merit

[Goudelock]

From everything I've heard about Bagley, it sounds like there's absolutely zero chance that he isn't going to at least be a good player. He plays his ass off, loves to rebound, and is super-athletic. He also seems to have some semblance of a jump-shot. So at the very least, he sounds like someone who can get you 15-10 for a decade, right?

[Duke4life831]

From everything I've heard about Bagley, it sounds like there's absolutely zero chance that he isn't going to at least be a good player. He plays his ass off, loves to rebound, and is super-athletic. He also seems to have some semblance of a jump-shot. So at the very least, he sounds like someone who can get you 15-10 for a decade, right?

The athleticism/size/motor alone is going to probably get you that. 39% on 3 while taking 2 a game at 18 years old isnt too shabby either. Add that his form is good, plus his off the chart work ethic, I think he can become at least a serviceable shooter from 3 in his prime.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I don't see Bagley as a franchise player at all. What is his elite skill? Franchise players have to have to be top 5 in some sort of important skillset.

his motor and his explosive athleticism. now, i'm not saying he's a franchise player - just answering your question.

[Goudelock]

From everything I've heard about Bagley, it sounds like there's absolutely zero chance that he isn't going to at least be a good player. He plays his ass off, loves to rebound, and is super-athletic. He also seems to have some semblance of a jump-shot. So at the very least, he sounds like someone who can get you 15-10 for a decade, right?

The athleticism/size/motor alone is going to probably get you that. 39% on 3 while taking 2 a game at 18 years old isnt too shabby either. Add that his form is good, plus his off the chart work ethic, I think he can become at least a serviceable shooter from 3 in his prime.

I'm hoping that the Hawks draft him, so I can watch him play for the local team for the next decade, and be the star that the Hawks have needed since Dominique left.

[King Ken]

I don't see Bagley as a franchise player at all. What is his elite skill? Franchise players have to have to be top 5 in some sort of important skillset.

his motor and his explosive athleticism. now, i'm not saying he's a franchise player - just answering your question.

What Bagley does that is elite:
Speed
Quickness
Agility
First step
1st jump
2nd jump
3rd jump
Lateral quickness
Motor
Rebounding ability, he still got aways to go in rebounding skill.
Feel for the game on offense
Movement
Hands


Hes off the charts athletically. Not even KG was this damn athletic. He plays a lot like Chris Bosh. But is relentless like Westbrook

[SeattleJazzFan]

I don't see Bagley as a franchise player at all. What is his elite skill? Franchise players have to have to be top 5 in some sort of important skillset.

his motor and his explosive athleticism. now, i'm not saying he's a franchise player - just answering your question.

Hes off the charts athletically. Not even KG was this damn athletic. He plays a lot like Chris Bosh. But is relentless like Westbrook

really like that comparison. I've heard a lot of Bosh comparisons - Bosh had a soft aspect to his game. relentless like Westbrook is good.

and another thing neither of us mentioned that I thought of with the westbrook comparison. he has better head on his shoulders - his demeanor on the court is about as flawless as I've seen. never gets too down. just keeps attacking. so even keeled.

[King Ken]

his motor and his explosive athleticism. now, i'm not saying he's a franchise player - just answering your question.

Hes off the charts athletically. Not even KG was this damn athletic. He plays a lot like Chris Bosh. But is relentless like Westbrook

really like that comparison. I've heard a lot of Bosh comparisons - Bosh had a soft aspect to his game. relentless like Westbrook is good.

and another thing neither of us mentioned that I thought of with the westbrook comparison. he has better head on his shoulders - his demeanor on the court is about as flawless as I've seen. never gets too down. just keeps attacking. so even keeled.

That is who he plays alike like. A big Westbrook skill-set Bosh hybrid. Like GT Bosh, he has to work on the skills aspect of their game.

[nolang1]

From everything I've heard about Bagley, it sounds like there's absolutely zero chance that he isn't going to at least be a good player. He plays his ass off, loves to rebound, and is super-athletic. He also seems to have some semblance of a jump-shot. So at the very least, he sounds like someone who can get you 15-10 for a decade, right?

Yes, Enes Kanter with defensive versatility would still be a valuable player (and Kanter has still managed to be an average/above-average NBA player the last couple years despite his reputation of being unplayably horrible). Kanter gets 5 offensive rebounds per 36 despite being too slow to play many minutes against the smallball teams that would be even less equipped to keep him off the glass. Bagley's biggest defensive advantage might be that his offensive rebounding will force opposing teams to either devote multiple players to boxing him out (thus forcing them into more of a halfcourt offense) or bring in a traditional big.

[King Ken]

He's gonna beast.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Marvin Bagley Strengths/Weaknesses:

Strength video and weakness video (!!) at bottom of page.

https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/06/05/marvin-bagley-scouting-report/


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[clyde21]

I'm honestly souring a bit on Bags. I'm having a hard time seeing him being more than an Al Jefferson or Enes Kanter type at the next level. Maybe better if he continues developing his outside shot, but I am not seeing potential THAT much higher than those guys at this point.

[PLO]

I don't rate his defense at all (which I've detailed elsewhere) but his offensive upside is so high for me he's still easily a top 5 player, and its not as if he can't improve his defense.

Right now I'd describe him as plays like Tarzan on the offensive end, looks like Jane defensively.

[E-Balla]

The same people calling Bagley a bad defender were saying the same about Tatum.

[No-Man]

The same people calling Bagley a bad defender were saying the same about Tatum.

this makes no sense, Tatum was a good defensive prospect, Bagley aint