The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[bwgood77]

Who all has been watching the game (Besides me)?

Sarver

[sunsbum]

So its only been the 1st quarter and i will watch the entire game Doncic will be a good NBA player but Euro basketball at least athletically is not even close to the NBA and I based on what I have seen the top teams in college are much more athletic. Now Euro basketball is more skilled and we are talking about grown men but Doncic is probably the only player on the floor that could play in the NBA. I can see why Rudy Fernandez didnt make it and he is the probably the next best player out there. At least in college occasionally you get matchups of multiple players that you know can play at the NBA level.

Rudy Fernandez was used terribly in the NBA. He actually was crazy athletic with doncic type passing skill and extremely high basketball IQ.

[stitches]

What game are you guys watching? Slow game? Bad play? You cannot be serious.

This is a very high quality game with great pace and spacing and some good shotmaking. Both those teams would wipe the floor the bottom feeders in the NBA and with pretty much any NCAA team.

[King4Day]

Dunno how old this:

Jonathan Givony of ESPN.com reported the team is split between Arizona center Deandre Ayton and Slovenian guard Luka Doncic

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2776234-suns-reportedly-split-on-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-as-no-1-nba-draft-pick

[Villalobos]

So its only been the 1st quarter and i will watch the entire game Doncic will be a good NBA player but Euro basketball at least athletically is not even close to the NBA and I based on what I have seen the top teams in college are much more athletic. Now Euro basketball is more skilled and we are talking about grown men but Doncic is probably the only player on the floor that could play in the NBA. I can see why Rudy Fernandez didnt make it and he is the probably the next best player out there. At least in college occasionally you get matchups of multiple players that you know can play at the NBA level.

1st half is over. Being a Doncic supporter, I am a little concerned.

Game seems slow and Doncic hasn’t really established himself as the best player on the court. I see a lot of his stats come from him just being more athletic then most. However , I don’t think this translate to the nba. Especially if a team decides to put their number one defender on him.
Defensively , his stance is high and lazy. Will have trouble dealing with a pick and roll. Will have to switch a lot.

I believe that the game is perimeter oriented but Doncic has not shown me enough so far to be the first selection. By his first half performance, think someone like Turkoglu, just more athletic.

I see the opposite tbh. Euroleague looks pretty fast to me (not NBA fast, but still fast), while Luka looks a bit slow. I really wish I knew what Luka looked like athletically after he gets rid of that fat and gets in NBA shape. And some rest. Dude's been playing basketball non stop for a long time.

[bwoolf2]

What game are you guys watching? Slow game? Bad play? You cannot be serious.

This is a very high quality game with great pace and spacing and some good shotmaking. Both those teams would wipe the floor the bottom feeders in the NBA and with pretty much any NCAA team.

Your kidding right, these teams would get swept in a series by any NBA team. If they would wipe the floor with NBA teams a lot more of these guys would be playing in the NBA.

[stitches]

What game are you guys watching? Slow game? Bad play? You cannot be serious.

This is a very high quality game with great pace and spacing and some good shotmaking. Both those teams would wipe the floor the bottom feeders in the NBA and with pretty much any NCAA team.

Your kidding right, these teams would get swept in a series by any NBA team. If they would wipe the floor with NBA teams a lot more of these guys would be playing in the NBA.

The level of delusion is strong in this one... you are assuming the only reason players are not in the NBA is that they don't have the talent for it. This is not the case. You are also assuming that because they don't have the high end talent of the NBA they don't have the team play to compete.

[bwgood77]

No wonder Doncic dominates this is pretty bad basketball to watch, Jaycee Carroll who played at Utah State is one of the best players on the floor. Again, Doncic is going to be a good NBA player dont get me wrong, but the competition he is playing against is pretty bad. We can talk about Euro league being the 2nd best in the world but its a long long ways from the NBA.

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

Doesn't he play with Anthony Randolph?

Ayton didn't play against too many NBA guys. Brandon McCoy might make the NBA, and of course he went for 33 and 10 against him on like 77% shooting. I guess he went against Sexton and Williams too. Aaron Holiday maybe gets some NBA run.

Probably not many NBA level guys. Maybe 10 tops all season. But most of that 10 would be fringe NBA guys..probably not career NBA guys.

[bwoolf2]

So its only been the 1st quarter and i will watch the entire game Doncic will be a good NBA player but Euro basketball at least athletically is not even close to the NBA and I based on what I have seen the top teams in college are much more athletic. Now Euro basketball is more skilled and we are talking about grown men but Doncic is probably the only player on the floor that could play in the NBA. I can see why Rudy Fernandez didnt make it and he is the probably the next best player out there. At least in college occasionally you get matchups of multiple players that you know can play at the NBA level.

1st half is over. Being a Doncic supporter, I am a little concerned.

Game seems slow and Doncic hasn’t really established himself as the best player on the court. I see a lot of his stats come from him just being more athletic then most. However , I don’t think this translate to the nba. Especially if a team decides to put their number one defender on him.
Defensively , his stance is high and lazy. Will have trouble dealing with a pick and roll. Will have to switch a lot.

I believe that the game is perimeter oriented but Doncic has not shown me enough so far to be the first selection. By his first half performance, think someone like Turkoglu, just more athletic.

I see the opposite tbh. Euroleague looks pretty fast to me (not NBA fast, but still fast), while Luka looks a bit slow. I really wish I knew what Luka looked like athletically after he gets rid of that fat and gets in NBA shape. And some rest. Dude's been playing basketball non stop for a long time.

The game itself is fairly fast paced as far as how they push the basketball I guess its the players that are just a little slow of foot compared to the states.

[Kerrsed]

That was a sweet block. Wish that was allowed in the NBA.

[bwoolf2]

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

Doesn't he play with Anthony Randolph?

Ayton didn't play against too many NBA guys. Brandon McCoy might make the NBA, and of course he went for 33 and 10 against him on like 77% shooting. I guess he went against Sexton and Williams too. Aaron Holiday maybe gets some NBA run.

Probably not many NBA level guys. Maybe 10 tops all season. But most of that 10 would be fringe NBA guys..probably not career NBA guys.

You cant point to Anthony Randolph and then say those other guys re fringe players, Randolph was always a fringe player and he hadnt been able to cut in the NBA for years now he plays in Euro so its not like he is someone that could even ride the bench in the NBA any longer.

[bwgood77]

Dunno how old this:

Jonathan Givony of ESPN.com reported the team is split between Arizona center Deandre Ayton and Slovenian guard Luka Doncic

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2776234-suns-reportedly-split-on-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-as-no-1-nba-draft-pick

It's taken out of context. If you look at the article it quotes what is said in a pod I listened to and they basically said they think Ayton will go here but it's not a done deal by any means. They may take their time. They also said at one point they may already know.

I don't think anything will be a done deal. Even if they are thinking 95% Ayton...they will continue to do due diligence and watch and study and interview and test if they can...as they should.

[sunsbg]

No wonder Doncic dominates this is pretty bad basketball to watch, Jaycee Carroll who played at Utah State is one of the best players on the floor. Again, Doncic is going to be a good NBA player dont get me wrong, but the competition he is playing against is pretty bad. We can talk about Euro league being the 2nd best in the world but its a long long ways from the NBA.

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

This doesn't mean they are better than Doncic's competition RIGHT NOW. You obviously don't like euro basketball. Doncic just hit a great 3.

[Dambo]

That step back 3 is gold.

[bwgood77]

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

Doesn't he play with Anthony Randolph?

Ayton didn't play against too many NBA guys. Brandon McCoy might make the NBA, and of course he went for 33 and 10 against him on like 77% shooting. I guess he went against Sexton and Williams too. Aaron Holiday maybe gets some NBA run.

Probably not many NBA level guys. Maybe 10 tops all season. But most of that 10 would be fringe NBA guys..probably not career NBA guys.

You cant point to Anthony Randolph and then say those other guys re fringe players, Randolph was always a fringe player and he hadnt been able to cut in the NBA for years now he plays in Euro so its not like he is someone that could even ride the bench in the NBA any longer.

Well that's kind of the point. Randolph was a fairly high profile prospect who, if Ayton had played against in college now people would say "playing against NBA guys".

But now a guy like Randolph is far more experienced than he was in college OR when he was in the NBA and much better, so he's a much better player than anyone Ayton is facing in college.

These guys are experience men, pros. These college kids are a year or two out of playing high school ball. HUGE difference.

[bwoolf2]

Doesn't he play with Anthony Randolph?

Ayton didn't play against too many NBA guys. Brandon McCoy might make the NBA, and of course he went for 33 and 10 against him on like 77% shooting. I guess he went against Sexton and Williams too. Aaron Holiday maybe gets some NBA run.

Probably not many NBA level guys. Maybe 10 tops all season. But most of that 10 would be fringe NBA guys..probably not career NBA guys.

You cant point to Anthony Randolph and then say those other guys re fringe players, Randolph was always a fringe player and he hadnt been able to cut in the NBA for years now he plays in Euro so its not like he is someone that could even ride the bench in the NBA any longer.

Well that's kind of the point. Randolph was a fairly high profile prospect who, if Ayton had played against in college now people would say "playing against NBA guys".

But now a guy like Randolph is far more experienced than he was in college OR when he was in the NBA and much better, so he's a much better player than anyone Ayton is facing in college.

These guys are experience men, pros. These college kids are a year or two out of playing high school ball. HUGE difference.

If Randolph were much better now he would still be in the NBA clearly he is not much better he comes of the bench in the Euro league.

[bwgood77]

1st half is over. Being a Doncic supporter, I am a little concerned.

Game seems slow and Doncic hasn’t really established himself as the best player on the court. I see a lot of his stats come from him just being more athletic then most. However , I don’t think this translate to the nba. Especially if a team decides to put their number one defender on him.
Defensively , his stance is high and lazy. Will have trouble dealing with a pick and roll. Will have to switch a lot.

I believe that the game is perimeter oriented but Doncic has not shown me enough so far to be the first selection. By his first half performance, think someone like Turkoglu, just more athletic.

I see the opposite tbh. Euroleague looks pretty fast to me (not NBA fast, but still fast), while Luka looks a bit slow. I really wish I knew what Luka looked like athletically after he gets rid of that fat and gets in NBA shape. And some rest. Dude's been playing basketball non stop for a long time.

The game itself is fairly fast paced as far as how they push the basketball I guess its the players that are just a little slow of foot compared to the states.

It's more methodical. For one there is far less space and there is also no 3 second rule so they paint can be packed and they can't always just try and drive it to the rim. I always thought Doncic would be much much better with more space and no 3 second rule. He would be much harder to defend. Yes, he will face better defenders but will have more room to operate and also would be playing with a lot better players so would be double teamed less and get far more open shots as opposed to having to take contested 3s. I think Trae will benefit for similar reasons.

[J_T]

No wonder Doncic dominates this is pretty bad basketball to watch, Jaycee Carroll who played at Utah State is one of the best players on the floor. Again, Doncic is going to be a good NBA player dont get me wrong, but the competition he is playing against is pretty bad. We can talk about Euro league being the 2nd best in the world but its a long long ways from the NBA.

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

95% of the players Ayton played against, couldn't even sit on the bench in Euroleague Final Four tournament, so your logic is quite flawed if you are trying to judge players' potential this way.

What game are you guys watching? Slow game? Bad play? You cannot be serious.

This is a very high quality game with great pace and spacing and some good shotmaking. Both those teams would wipe the floor the bottom feeders in the NBA and with pretty much any NCAA team.

Your kidding right, these teams would get swept in a series by any NBA team. If they would wipe the floor with NBA teams a lot more of these guys would be playing in the NBA.

You are nuts if you think current Suns or Mavs win 4-0 against these teams, especially under FIBA rules. From what I see that's not even contentious among objective observers.

[bwoolf2]

Ayton dominated against inferior league college midgets.

Just saying he played against other players that will play in the NBA and have careers in the NBA, there are none outside of Doncic in playing in this final 4.

95% of the players Ayton played against, couldn't even sit on the bench in Euroleague Final Four tournament, so your logic is quite flawed if you are trying to judge players' potential this way.

What game are you guys watching? Slow game? Bad play? You cannot be serious.

This is a very high quality game with great pace and spacing and some good shotmaking. Both those teams would wipe the floor the bottom feeders in the NBA and with pretty much any NCAA team.

Your kidding right, these teams would get swept in a series by any NBA team. If they would wipe the floor with NBA teams a lot more of these guys would be playing in the NBA.

You are nuts if you think current Suns or Mavs win 4-0 against these teams, especially under FIBA rules. From what I see that's not even contentious among objective observers.

Well then instead of wasting any money on expensive free agents over here we should allocate our resources to signing some of these tremendous players on these two teams.

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Doncic has that weird athletic trait that is hard to appreciate because it doesn't look 'athletic'. I think there was a piece on it about Harden a while ago - the ability to decelerate/stop on a dime and with full control in short spaces. This is why all his step backs leave him completely open. It's quite impressive. The first time he does it, you think - oh that's probably just bad defense, but then he does it again and again and again and every single time he has like 5+ feet of space to shoot it uninterrupted. I would want to see him do it against NBA level athletes and defenders but it looks extremely impressive at this level.