The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[Mjee]

I'm not going be upset if we get Ayton ... just think Doncic is the generational talent that will get us to the finals. He's been in a lot of meaningful championship games already at just 19.

What if Deandre kills it in his workout !?

Here’s my counter .... wing talents now are a dime a dozen .... are athletic, 7’1 centers who can score a multitude of ways !????

[8on]

People are counting on Ayton to be able to step out and hit the 3 pointer (17% at NBA range).

I can’t find that on the interwebs

[bigfoot]

People are counting on Ayton to be able to step out and hit the 3 pointer (17% at NBA range).

I can’t find that on the interwebs

17% ?? or hitting the 3

[8on]

People are counting on Ayton to be able to step out and hit the 3 pointer (17% at NBA range).

I can’t find that on the interwebs

17% ?? or hitting the 3

I assume they’re one and the same?

[Mjee]

My favorite former attorney Jay Bilas esq. called Ayton a generational talent ...

He’s pretty smart

[bigfoot]

I can’t find that on the interwebs

17% ?? or hitting the 3

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

[JMac1]

I would love to have a big that could get me 20 and 10 per night ...... cough * ayton cough *



All star bigs do not grow on trees

1) Offensive-oriented all-star bigs not currently playing in conference finals
2) Al Horford, a defensive big averaging 14/8 for his career, is the last all-star big standing.
3) Current seven+ footers in the playoffs seeing limited minutes
4) Not sure Ayton is going to get the volume of shots needed to get 20 per game (Booker, Jackson will take more)

Doncic is a 21/7.6/6.7 per 36 minute player in Euroleague.

NBA players who have averaged 20/6/6 per 36 ... http://bkref.com/tiny/483dU




There isn’t a lot of good centers in the NBA period. Ayton is unique because he has such a good offensive skill set. He can play in the post and shoot the midrange with ease. Very similar game to a David Robinson.

I disagree with you in that Deandre would get his touches and shots. The main reason why Jackson had such a high usage rate at the end of the season was because Devin was hurt and we had nobody to carry the offensive load. Book and Ayton would become our primary two scorers. Ayton would give us the big we have longed for. Another reason why most centers are on the bench during crunch time is because of free throw shooting. Ayton doesn’t have that flaw in his game.

Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender will never become serious offensive threats in this league. We need someone down low that can get points on the block and demand attention. We can’t have all wings on this team and be successful in the long term.

I like Doncic, I really do but I would be disappointed if we passed on Ayton.

Ceilings:
Doncic = taller Ginobili / Gordon Hayward
Ayton = David Robinson/Patrick Ewing

Easy choice ....

All the centers are young though. Plus you have less of them than wings. All teams with C’S made the playoffs or were over .500 except the Knicks. Also, it’s harder to find a C let alone a specimen like Ayton.

KAT
Davis
Jokic
Embiid
Gobert

All of those teams are young.

[8on]

17% ?? or hitting the 3

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

If only this dang thing worked on a cellphone

[8on]

17% ?? or hitting the 3

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

Towns shot 25% on college 3 pointers.

[saintEscaton]

17% ?? or hitting the 3

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

Here are the college 3 pt attempted/made numbers for the following bigs:

Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 11-of-32 (34%)
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 2-of-8 (25%)
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 1-of-5 (20%)
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 3-of-20 (15%)

PPG Offensive efficiency
Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 19.9 127.7
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 10.3 122.7
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 11.2 112.0
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 14.2 133.5

[Mjee]

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

Here are the college 3 pt attempted/made numbers for the folowwing bigs:

Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 11-of-32 (34%)
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 2-of-8 (25%)
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 1-of-5 (20%)
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 3-of-20 (15%)

PPG Offensive efficiency
Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 19.9 127.7
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 10.3 122.7
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 11.2 112.0
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 14.2 133.5

Ayton it is !!!!!

[Kerrsed]

What PG do we add then if Ayton is the choice ?

(Elephant in the room)

Spoiler:

[Mulhollanddrive]

Marcus Smart ranked bottom 5 in FG% for players over 1000 minutes.

[Frank Lee]

get rid of the anonymity! list the voters! divide the board further!

we are tied at 49 a piece. Ayton had the slight edge for the most part up until now

As Vice President of this forum
I suppose I should cast the tie breaking vote




But first I must pray to my celestial dictator

[bwgood77]

I assume they’re one and the same?

17% ... https://www.thestepien.com/shot-chart/

Here are the college 3 pt attempted/made numbers for the following bigs:

Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 11-of-32 (34%)
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 2-of-8 (25%)
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 1-of-5 (20%)
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 3-of-20 (15%)

PPG Offensive efficiency
Deandre Ayton, Arizona (17-18) 19.9 127.7
Karl-Anthony Towns, Kentucky (14-15) 10.3 122.7
Joel Embiid, Kansas (13-14) 11.2 112.0
Anthony Davis, Kentucky (11-12) 14.2 133.5

For 3 pt shooting, FT% best thing to look at, particularly if 3 pt shooting volume was low. Jackson shot better from 3 than Tatum in college too. Ayton has a decent FT% though, but not as good as Towns.

[thamadkant]

Been watching Doncic a lot today and last night.
On top of my previous watches...


The IQ is there right... No dispute.
He's creative in passing and finding looks to the rim... Hence my Big Ginobili comparison.

He's game style is similar to LeBron or any other point forwards. You give him the ball and get him lanes to the rim by spacing. LeBron beats anyone this way one on one due to his size and athleticism... Doncic only has one of those traits... His size.

Passing and facilitating... I have no issue with him absolutely being mesmerizing there.

But isolation scoring?
Don't think he will get by NBA wings as easily. He will be relying crafty tough shots just as he is now doing in Europe but this time around he'll have to exert more energy doing it against faster and more athletic defenders... Again I think he will be able to do it... But because he will be working much harder getting shots up and space.. You almost want him to be exactly like Ginobili... 6th man...until He can prove that he can last 36 minutes. Maybe ring Westbrook for his drug store.

Basically I think he will be under greater pressure in Isolations in the NBA due to his athletic limits. But assists and fascilitating... He would be awesome.

Now if he was a dead eye shooter...You could assume he baits a lot of defenders to go up close to him so he then dribbles around them... But he's just "OK" in that regards.

He will need to become an elite shooter to get spacing and ease the burden in scoring...
Until then he's likely a 17ppg with high usage.
Which is great... But he'll eventually become a 20ppg down the line with improvements.
So I see him topping out as a 21ppg 7apg 6rpg player... Funnily similar to Booker and Jackson...
Booker I see as a 28ppg 5apg 5rpg
And Jackson as a 20ppg 7rpg 5apg 2spg wing...

The thing is for Booker and Jackson to truly evolve to their full potential... They need the ball in their hands creating and fascilitating ...


With Doncic there... I think they will sort of limit each other's full potential but still get high enough.

[bwgood77]

Neither Ayton or Doncic will be busts. Both will be great contributors to their respective teams !!!

Therefore, Ryan will account for positional need. And the player with the highest ceiling/potential.

Guess who he’s choosing!????

In addition, if you think our star and face of our franchise (DBook) wants Doncic over Ayton, you are sadly mistaken . Guarantee he makes a point of wanting to draft DA

People are counting on Ayton to be able to step out and hit the 3 pointer (17% at NBA range).

McD is a modern analytics guy ... the Suns need three point shooting, great passing, and multiple players to spread the floor. Ayton doesn't bring that. He will draft Doncic.

I think he will be able to shoot ok from there....probably start out around 33% from there and improve over time.

[bwgood77]

Been watching Doncic a lot today and last night.
On top of my previous watches...


The IQ is there right... No dispute.
He's creative in passing and finding looks to the rim... Hence my Big Ginobili comparison.

He's game style is similar to LeBron or any other point forwards. You give him the ball and get him lanes to the rim by spacing. LeBron beats anyone this way one on one due to his size and athleticism... Doncic only has one of those traits... His size.

Passing and facilitating... I have no issue with him absolutely being mesmerizing there.

But isolation scoring?
Don't think he will get by NBA wings as easily. He will be relying crafty tough shots just as he is now doing in Europe but this time around he'll have to exert more energy doing it against faster and more athletic defenders... Again I think he will be able to do it... But because he will be working much harder getting shots up and space.. You almost want him to be exactly like Ginobili... 6th man...until He can prove that he can last 36 minutes. Maybe ring Westbrook for his drug store.

Basically I think he will be under greater pressure in Isolations in the NBA due to his athletic limits. But assists and fascilitating... He would be awesome.

Now if he was a dead eye shooter...You could assume he baits a lot of defenders to go up close to him so he then dribbles around them... But he's just "OK" in that regards.

He will need to become an elite shooter to get spacing and ease the burden in scoring...
Until then he's likely a 17ppg with high usage.
Which is great... But he'll eventually become a 20ppg down the line with improvements.
So I see him topping out as a 21ppg 7apg 6rpg player... Funnily similar to Booker and Jackson...
Booker I see as a 28ppg 5apg 5rpg
And Jackson as a 20ppg 7rpg 5apg 2spg wing...

The thing is for Booker and Jackson to truly evolve to their full potential... They need the ball in their hands creating and fascilitating ...


With Doncic there... I think they will sort of limit each other's full potential but still get high enough.

I don't think defenders will be able to key in on him as much playing with players like Booker and Jackson though...or anywhere he goes...other better players. Plus he will have a lot more space to operate with a wider floor and then no 3 second rule so bigs can't pack the paint.

[Frank Lee]

Marcus Smart ranked bottom 5 in FG% for players over 1000 minutes.

I’ve been listening too much to Homer B Simmons to be afraid of that %

Really folks, the sleeper PG

Watch on YouTube

And he is


.... wait for it



Serbian

Player option at 7 mill... any doubts he opts out if offered more ?

[magee]

Just catching up on this thread. A lot of good stuff on here.