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2018 NBA Draft Talk

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What do you predict the Clippers will do on Draft Night? (vote for up to 2 options)

Poll ended at Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:37 am

Remain at 12 & 13
7
39%
Trade up into the 3-6 range
2
11%
Trade up into the 7-9 range
0
No votes
Trade down
2
11%
Buy into the 2nd round
7
39%
Trade picks to acquire a big name
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Danilo Gallinari is traded
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No votes
Tobias Harris is traded
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 18

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#541 » by esqtvd » Mon May 21, 2018 7:46 am

Forte IV wrote:I also wouldn't mind Troy Brown


Well done, sir. :D Rated at #17 or so. Back to reality.

Anyone can hanker for somebody who probably won't be still on the board. Or say they don't want Shai if he's still available.

OK, who the hell DO you want? The last two #13 picks were Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell. Dazzle us with your Real GM brilliance. :wizard:

I'm going with Dzanan Musa. Never saw him play, no idea who he is, can't pronounce it but read his name for the first time just now because some internet draft site has him going to the Clippers.

Just remember you heard it here first. :lol: Sounds like our kinda guy.

http://www.nba.com/magic/2018-draft-prospects-dzanan-musa

    Perhaps, though, we’ve ignored another European prodigy throughout this draft process.

    Musa, a 6-foot-9 versatile swingman from Bosnia and Herzegovina, is an exciting 19-year-old. Though not nearly the playmaker that Doncic is – and he doesn’t have the basketball IQ of the Slovenian standout – Musa could turn out to be a mid to late first round steal in this year’s draft.

    What stands out about him is his confidence and offensive versatility. With deceptive quickness and a unique ability to change speeds and directions, Musa is an excellent slasher who is capable of creating his own shot off the dribble. Considering he can score equally well with both hands – he’s basically ambidextrous – it’s hard for defenders to throw Musa off his trail. Also an improved long-distance shooter, the 2018 EuroCup Rising Star excels when he pulls up in transition and in pick-and-roll.

    There are concerns about Musa’s defensive limitations (opponents frequently blow past him off the dribble). Not a high flyer or a dazzling athlete, Musa relies on aggressiveness and mercilessness. He must improve when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands considering he’s not known for being a great catch-and-shoot guy. It will also be important for Musa to bulk up (he’s very light and doesn’t show much resistance).

I'm sold.

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#542 » by Quake Griffin » Mon May 21, 2018 8:14 am

Forte IV wrote:I also really like Khyri Thomas. 6'4 long arms, amazing defender, great shooter.


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Simons Drawing Interest from Multiple Teams 

Post#543 » by Ranma » Mon May 21, 2018 8:48 am

Why the eff are the Clippers not on the list of teams publicly expressing interest in my boy Anfernee Simons? I'd like to think it's just Jerry West advising the staff to keep things close to the chest, but Lonnie Walker IV has been profiled a lot on the Clippers' website and social media. Maybe it's a case of misdirection, but that's probably giving the organization too much credit when it's still inclined to extend Doc and utilize him as a representative of the team.

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A handful of NBA scouts polled here reluctantly agreed with Simons’ decision to not play. Simons is a 6-foot-3 shooting guard who weighs just 178 pounds. (One did call the decision not to play “annoying as hell.”)

Simons had initially committed to attend Louisville, but de-committed after Hall of Fame coach Rick Pitino got fired in the wake of the federal investigation. He attended IMG for a prep season this year and entered the draft because he’s one year removed from high school graduation and will turn 19 in June.

After “talking to my parents about it and praying about it, we talked about it a lot over the last two months,” Simons said. “I’m going to make this jump and go all in when I do it.”

All in except for actually playing. Simons is so slight that he’d have been pushed around during the five-on-five games here, so he sat out to preserve his buzz and stock. (Brian Bowen, the former Louisville recruit who sat out this season in the wake of the scandal, appeared physically overmatched on Thursday.)

“It would have been a huge step up from the competition Simons was facing at IMG,” said an NBA scout, “and he’d be completely physically overmatched against some of the other guards here.”

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3-Way Comparison of Simons, Smith & Walker 

Post#544 » by Ranma » Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 am

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Re: Simons Drawing Interest from Multiple Teams 

Post#545 » by Quake Griffin » Mon May 21, 2018 2:54 pm

Ranma wrote:Why the eff are the Clippers not on the list of teams publicly expressing interest in my boy Anfernee Simons? I'd like to think it's just Jerry West advising the staff to keep things close to the chest, but Lonnie Walker IV has been profiled a lot on the Clippers' website and social media. Maybe it's a case of misdirection, but that's probably giving the organization too much credit when it's still inclined to extend Doc and utilize him as a representative of the team.

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Pete Thamel, Yahoo Sports (5/18/18)
A handful of NBA scouts polled here reluctantly agreed with Simons’ decision to not play. Simons is a 6-foot-3 shooting guard who weighs just 178 pounds. (One did call the decision not to play “annoying as hell.”)

Simons had initially committed to attend Louisville, but de-committed after Hall of Fame coach Rick Pitino got fired in the wake of the federal investigation. He attended IMG for a prep season this year and entered the draft because he’s one year removed from high school graduation and will turn 19 in June.

After “talking to my parents about it and praying about it, we talked about it a lot over the last two months,” Simons said. “I’m going to make this jump and go all in when I do it.”

All in except for actually playing. Simons is so slight that he’d have been pushed around during the five-on-five games here, so he sat out to preserve his buzz and stock. (Brian Bowen, the former Louisville recruit who sat out this season in the wake of the scandal, appeared physically overmatched on Thursday.)

“It would have been a huge step up from the competition Simons was facing at IMG,” said an NBA scout, “and he’d be completely physically overmatched against some of the other guards here.”

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I don't love him enough to draft him in the lottery. Maybe in the 20s. I cannot remember how you feel on that issue.

I don't think he can beat NBA players off of the dribble. While he has hops, I'm not seeing enough quickness, and agility to beat NBA defenders one on one. I see a lot of long pull ups and the occasional beautiful dunk in open space.

In a way, he is like a Diet Eric Gordon to me, even sharing the same low release point. The difference I see is Simons has a better handle but Gordon has the 1st step quickness and explosiveness. Again, I sympathize more with the Gordon "problem" than the Simons "problem". I know someone will say, he doesn't attack the rim like EJ so their games are way different. Again, it's because I don't think he can attack the rim like EJ. If he could, I think he would. EJ also committed to the defensive end early, showing that he could use his length to be effective against 2s.

I do like Walker better here for a number of reasons...mostly because he is a better athlete as they seem to be equal as shooters and Walker has demonstrated that even with a meh handle, he can get to the rim.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#546 » by Quake Griffin » Mon May 21, 2018 4:10 pm

The Ringer says we arent opppsed to dealing the picks and that we might want Michael Porter.

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#547 » by connseanery » Mon May 21, 2018 4:26 pm

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/21/17374906/nba-draft-combine-rumblings-takeaways

With Porter, if healthy, I think can be a strong scorer rebounder but he could end up being the type that gives up just as many points as he scores. He’s got a sweet looking J though with nice footwork to shoot off the bounce.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#548 » by mkwest » Mon May 21, 2018 4:49 pm

What We Saw and Heard at the 2018 NBA Draft Combine

The Clippers are open to moving up in the draft, according to multiple league executives. They’re armed with picks nos. 12 and 13, and have the assets to get creative. A front-office exec said that Michael Porter Jr. is a possible target for the Clippers, who could slide the forward into their modernized system as a go-to scorer. Funnily enough, later that day, Clippers owner Steve Ballmer paused his own interview session with reporters to stand and listen behind a media scrum around Porter.

I’ve never seen an owner in the media area; the only other team owner that I’m aware was even at the combine is Golden State’s Joe Lacob. But Ballmer, a Seattle resident, is familiar with the former Nathan Hale High School product. “About my only real contribution [to the draft] is to say, ‘Hey, I saw some high school kid in Seattle and he looked really good.’ And it turns out it’s probably a kid who will be the no. 1 or no. 2 pick,” Ballmer said on The Bill Simmons Podcast in March 2017. “[Porter] plays in the same league as my son, so I have watched him play a few times. … And they say, ‘Thank you very much for your scouting. Go back to that mathy stuff.’”


The difficulty is finding a team willing to trade down at a slot where Porter might be available. The teams picking from nos. 4 to 7—Memphis, Dallas, Orlando, and Chicago—could all use more than one player to fix their rosters. But it’s unclear if any of them would be willing to move from the middle of the lottery to the back. In fact, I’ve been told that Memphis, despite a recent report, isn’t actively looking to trade down and that it’s likely to stay at no. 4. Things can change between now and the draft, but for now the prospects most closely connected to Memphis are big men: Michigan State’s Jaren Jackson Jr. and Duke’s Marvin Bagley III. It was also the only team in the top eight to not request a meeting with Mo Bamba.


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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#549 » by MartinToVaught » Mon May 21, 2018 7:14 pm

I'm hoping Porter is a smokescreen and Doncic is who the Clippers really want.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#550 » by Quake Griffin » Mon May 21, 2018 7:31 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:I'm hoping Porter is a smokescreen and Doncic is who the Clippers really want.

You see superstar in Doncic eh?
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#551 » by MartinToVaught » Mon May 21, 2018 7:33 pm

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MartinToVaught wrote:I'm hoping Porter is a smokescreen and Doncic is who the Clippers really want.

You see superstar in Doncic eh?

That, and the idea of Porter with our medical staff scares me.
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Post#552 » by mkwest » Tue May 22, 2018 1:15 am

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#553 » by TucsonClip » Tue May 22, 2018 1:34 am

Doncic would be a really nice fit on our roster. Still need another wing defender but he would make sense with Lou, Bev, Tobias, ect.

I see Doncic playing the wing. You you can slide him in at the 2-3 depending on who you play next to him, but I dont see him being the primary ball handler. He needs someone else who can attack off the dribble in the back court. Hes a passing wizard who can shred you in the PNR, but he fits better splitting ball handling duties, coming off DHOs and screens, zipper cuts, ect. Something to get him free and moving on the catch where he is attacking at an advantage.

If you slot him as the PG, I think hes going to have some struggles beating guys one on one, especially when defenses switch with unconventional lineups, or they blitz him on ball screens.

Not to mention, if his shot continues to develop, as ive been saying, he turns into a lethal option as a corner shooter and then attacking closeouts.

People also forget that Doncic has nearly played an entire year of ball straight through. The Euroleague Final Four into June, Euro Basket at the end of August and into September, and then back into the season. Thats a lot for an 18 year old. He was running on fumes in March/April and got shut down.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#554 » by nickhx2 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:09 am

do you think we actually have the assets to snag him? assuming the report on the kings not wanting him is true
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#555 » by Forte IV » Tue May 22, 2018 5:19 am

Its a no for me on Tyus Battle. Seems like a chucker based off his FG% and he's from Syracuse, which hasn't exactly produced quality wing talent in recent years. Obviously not counting Melo.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#556 » by illastrate » Tue May 22, 2018 7:01 am

Who the Clips want and who they can realistically get are two different things.

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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#557 » by esqtvd » Tue May 22, 2018 7:45 am

illastrate wrote:Who the Clips want and who they can realistically get are two different things.



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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#558 » by ejftw » Tue May 22, 2018 3:23 pm

Whoever mentioned Dznan Musa, I've seen him play and is a guy I wouldn't mind buying an early second for. Not in the lotto. Still very raw.

If you want a raw international prospect, it's Rodons Kurucs.
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#559 » by yungmasaiah » Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 pm

trade Gallo+Bobi+13thpick for Ibaka+norman powell
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Re: 2018 NBA Draft Talk 

Post#560 » by connseanery » Tue May 22, 2018 5:19 pm

What do you folks feel the tiers are for this draft? Trying to take a consensus from different rankings/mocks, there seem to be a 1-8 range where players are always taken, then 9 - 16 or so amongst where the clippers are picking, then 17 - 35 are basically eye of the beholder whichever player a team likes.

I'm sure everyone has their favorite players they may bump up but for me it would fall something like this.

Tier 1:
Ayton
Doncic
Bagley

Tier 2:
Jackson Jr
Porter Jr
Bamba

Tier 3:
Sexton
Miles Bridges
Mikal Bridges
Carter
Walker
Zhaire Smith
Gilgeous-Alexander
Young
Knox

Tier 4:
Huerter
R. Williams
J. Porter
M. Robinson
Simons
Brown
Melton
Divincenzo
Okogie
Holiday
Bates-Diop
Musa
Hutchison
Thomas
Frazier
Wagner
Brunson
Trent Jr

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