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Who do you think will be the #1 overall pick?

Deandre Ayton
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32%
Luka Doncic
74
40%
Mohamed Bamba
4
2%
Marvin Bagley III
25
13%
Michael Porter Jr
20
11%
Other
4
2%
 
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Post#1441 » by BuildingBucks » Sun May 20, 2018 11:18 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Sadly, it feels like yet another year where we're going to just miss out on that middle-tier of difference maker/lottery guys because of where we're picking. BAM! and Mitchell last year. Murray the year before. Booker and Myles Turner in '15.

There's usually one or two guys taken in the 10-15 range that turn out to be high impact, borderline star upside guys and we always tend to find ourselves picking right outside that range. Could be wrong but I feel like this draft is no different, when guys like SGA, Williams, Sexton, and Smith all probably go before 16....


I really wanted BAM last year and when I saw Mitchell was falling I was hoping we'd trade up. But I can't remember a draft that we actually traded up in. I also wanted to trade up to get Myles Turner when he was falling as well. Most years that seems to be the case, we're just out of range for certain players.

With that being said I don't think 17 is a bad place to be this year. This is a deep draft and there are a lot of solid players I'm pretty confident will be there for the Bucks pick. I'm still going to be nervous basically every pick before ours hoping no one takes Robert Williams, SGA I have no hope will fall but I'm keeping a little bit of hope for Williams.
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Post#1442 » by bizarro » Sun May 20, 2018 11:52 pm

Who’s this kid? I think we should draft him at 17:



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Post#1443 » by Licensed to Il » Sun May 20, 2018 11:57 pm

I have not followed the draft this year. Who projects as a useful two way wing in our range?
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Post#1444 » by Pachinko_ » Mon May 21, 2018 12:12 am

True that we were just out of reach for Mitchell and Turner etc, but we could still have picked Sabonis, Taurean Prince, Anunoby, Kuzma or even a usable big like Collins or Allen. And we screwed it up.

Having said that, new coach. Might be able to get more out of Thon.
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Post#1445 » by RiotPunch » Mon May 21, 2018 3:20 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Sadly, it feels like yet another year where we're going to just miss out on that middle-tier of difference maker/lottery guys because of where we're picking. BAM! and Mitchell last year. Murray the year before. Booker and Myles Turner in '15.

There's usually one or two guys taken in the 10-15 range that turn out to be high impact, borderline star upside guys and we always tend to find ourselves picking right outside that range. Could be wrong but I feel like this draft is no different, when guys like SGA, Williams, Sexton, and Smith all probably go before 16....


1 - JJJ
2 - Ayton
3 - Doncic
4 - MB3
5 - Carter Jr.
6 - Bamba
7 - Mikal Bridges
8 - M. Porter
9 - Young
10 - Sexton
11 - Miles Bridges
12 - Smith
13 - Williams
15 - Walker
16 - J. Porter

That would be my worst case scenario. For me it would likely be Okogie, but also considering Thomas/Evans/Knox/Melton/Okobo.
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Post#1446 » by Coach Carter » Mon May 21, 2018 4:03 am

What would it take for the clippers to swap their 13th for our 17th? I like SGA but i reckon they envision him as a big piece in their back court going forward. If we can end up with bridges i'll be happy.
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Post#1447 » by BucksFanSD » Mon May 21, 2018 4:36 am

Coach Carter wrote:What would it take for the clippers to swap their 13th for our 17th?


Sources said Clipper officials have targeted three Bucks in any deal for Jordan. One is John Henson, who is currently the team’s starting center


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Post#1448 » by BuildingBucks » Mon May 21, 2018 4:43 am

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Coach Carter wrote:What would it take for the clippers to swap their 13th for our 17th?


Sources said Clipper officials have targeted three Bucks in any deal for Jordan. One is John Henson, who is currently the team’s starting center


http://woelfelspressbox.com/2017/12/jordan-becomes-center-of-bucks-attention/


Its Woelfel and John Henson, not sure I buy that as a possibility. I don't think any Bucks fan would say no to Henson/17 to move up. But if we do somehow move up I'm 100% taking Robert Williams.
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Post#1449 » by VooDoo7 » Mon May 21, 2018 6:00 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Sadly, it feels like yet another year where we're going to just miss out on that middle-tier of difference maker/lottery guys because of where we're picking. BAM! and Mitchell last year. Murray the year before. Booker and Myles Turner in '15.

There's usually one or two guys taken in the 10-15 range that turn out to be high impact, borderline star upside guys and we always tend to find ourselves picking right outside that range. Could be wrong but I feel like this draft is no different, when guys like SGA, Williams, Sexton, and Smith all probably go before 16....


1 - JJJ
2 - Ayton
3 - Doncic
4 - MB3
5 - Carter Jr.
6 - Bamba
7 - Mikal Bridges
8 - M. Porter
9 - Young
10 - Sexton
11 - Miles Bridges
12 - Smith
13 - Williams
15 - Walker
16 - J. Porter

That would be my worst case scenario. For me it would likely be Okogie, but also considering Thomas/Evans/Knox/Melton/Okobo.

Funny. Came here to say I'd be happy with one of Smith/Porter/Walker/DiVincenzo. And you have 3 going right before us.

I guess that's better than us drafting a DJ Wilson and having the better players go right after us. :-?
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Post#1450 » by Badgerlander » Mon May 21, 2018 6:17 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Sadly, it feels like yet another year where we're going to just miss out on that middle-tier of difference maker/lottery guys because of where we're picking. BAM! and Mitchell last year. Murray the year before. Booker and Myles Turner in '15.

There's usually one or two guys taken in the 10-15 range that turn out to be high impact, borderline star upside guys and we always tend to find ourselves picking right outside that range. Could be wrong but I feel like this draft is no different, when guys like SGA, Williams, Sexton, and Smith all probably go before 16....


1 - JJJ
2 - Ayton
3 - Doncic
4 - MB3
5 - Carter Jr.
6 - Bamba
7 - Mikal Bridges
8 - M. Porter
9 - Young
10 - Sexton
11 - Miles Bridges
12 - Smith
13 - Williams
15 - Walker
16 - J. Porter

That would be my worst case scenario. For me it would likely be Okogie, but also considering Thomas/Evans/Knox/Melton/Okobo.


Yeah the Stepien currently has ZSmith ranked #10, Jontay at #12, and Evans at #15, but hopefully Melton stays at #17 for us. I'm not saying that every prospect is going to be drafted where they are ranked so much as that they will be drafted ahead of us, although I think Okogie has moved into our range as well. I'm going to be super bummed if Smith, Jontay, and Melton all get picked right before us.
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Post#1451 » by RiotPunch » Mon May 21, 2018 6:21 am

Badgerlander wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Sadly, it feels like yet another year where we're going to just miss out on that middle-tier of difference maker/lottery guys because of where we're picking. BAM! and Mitchell last year. Murray the year before. Booker and Myles Turner in '15.

There's usually one or two guys taken in the 10-15 range that turn out to be high impact, borderline star upside guys and we always tend to find ourselves picking right outside that range. Could be wrong but I feel like this draft is no different, when guys like SGA, Williams, Sexton, and Smith all probably go before 16....


1 - JJJ
2 - Ayton
3 - Doncic
4 - MB3
5 - Carter Jr.
6 - Bamba
7 - Mikal Bridges
8 - M. Porter
9 - Young
10 - Sexton
11 - Miles Bridges
12 - Smith
13 - Williams
15 - Walker
16 - J. Porter

That would be my worst case scenario. For me it would likely be Okogie, but also considering Thomas/Evans/Knox/Melton/Okobo.


Yeah the Stepien currently has ZSmith ranked #10, Jontay at #12, and Evans at #15, but hopefully Melton stays at #17 for us. I'm not saying that every prospect is going to be drafted where they are ranked so much as that they will be drafted ahead of us, although I think Okogie has moved into our range as well. I'm going to be super bummed if Smith, Jontay, and Melton all get picked right before us.

Fortunately, it seems as though I somehow left out SGA. That means, no matter what, we can get one of those players. At least until Horst decides to gamble on Mitchell Robinson's upside.
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Post#1452 » by Badgerlander » Mon May 21, 2018 6:52 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Badgerlander wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
1 - JJJ
2 - Ayton
3 - Doncic
4 - MB3
5 - Carter Jr.
6 - Bamba
7 - Mikal Bridges
8 - M. Porter
9 - Young
10 - Sexton
11 - Miles Bridges
12 - Smith
13 - Williams
15 - Walker
16 - J. Porter

That would be my worst case scenario. For me it would likely be Okogie, but also considering Thomas/Evans/Knox/Melton/Okobo.


Yeah the Stepien currently has ZSmith ranked #10, Jontay at #12, and Evans at #15, but hopefully Melton stays at #17 for us. I'm not saying that every prospect is going to be drafted where they are ranked so much as that they will be drafted ahead of us, although I think Okogie has moved into our range as well. I'm going to be super bummed if Smith, Jontay, and Melton all get picked right before us.

Fortunately, it seems as though I somehow left out SGA. That means, no matter what, we can get one of those players. At least until Horst decides to gamble on Mitchell Robinson's upside.

Yeah the Hammond swing out of your socks for the fences in the first round crap has to die and be launched into the damn sun with the quickness. For example I really like Anfernee Simons quickness and handles and his shot being low could be corrected while adding some upper body strength but the kid is 3-4 years away from being an NBA player and has a 98% chance of developing into Rashad Vaughns teammate in Europe. I am all for drafting the BPA but STOP drafting the guy that also has the lowest freaking floor. AND draft a guy that can freaking play DEFENSE so he can at least earn some damn playing time to actually develop. Tatum and Donovan Mitchell played great defense this year in addition to making the jump offensively. OG played great defense. Collins, Allen, and Kuzma showed some great stuff offensively but were awful defensively for the most part. Give me a guy that can play some D and earn some playing time on a playoff team.
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Post#1453 » by FrieAaron » Mon May 21, 2018 7:13 am

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Coach Carter wrote:What would it take for the clippers to swap their 13th for our 17th?


Sources said Clipper officials have targeted three Bucks in any deal for Jordan. One is John Henson, who is currently the team’s starting center


http://woelfelspressbox.com/2017/12/jordan-becomes-center-of-bucks-attention/


Its Woelfel and John Henson, not sure I buy that as a possibility. I don't think any Bucks fan would say no to Henson/17 to move up. But if we do somehow move up I'm 100% taking Robert Williams.


Williams is who I have at 13 as well. Possible he turns out to be another Henson, but at least he'd be on a rookie contract. Plus he's at least already a little heavier than Henson was (still is?), so that's good.
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Post#1454 » by Pachinko_ » Mon May 21, 2018 10:28 am

Divicenzo looked great

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Post#1455 » by Badgerlander » Mon May 21, 2018 12:57 pm

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VI. The 2018 Draft Fallout

I”m going to go into more nuance and video detail of each of the big prospects when I write my big board, and this post is already getting dangerously long, so I’ll keep the ramifications here short.

1.Jontay Porter: Offensively, Teddy-Bear Porter arguably benefits the most from the league’s shift towards perimeter play. He’s the best ball-handler (possesses rare point five handling coordination with actual dribble moves), quick decision-maker (next to Carter) and has the most fluid shooting mechanics from 3 of the group with the ability to shoot off movement, something no other big in the class can do with any consistency. Porter of course lacks finishing pop around the rim and is not going to punish a lot of players in the post (but might be capable here), but on the perimeter he offers a ton of dribble, pass and shoot ability with a real proclivity for screening and popping. Even if he’s a situational big due to athleticism concerns in the Olynyk mold, he should not fall out of the lottery based on his conducive skill-set to modern basketball (you have to buy at least some athletic/frame upside, but there might be an inefficiency at work here if he gets in shape).

2.Wendell Carter: Carter is the most versatile big in the class as he projects to do everything well at the next level. He’s not as fluid of a shooter and ball-handler as Jontay, but his mechanics are my second favorite in this class of bigs. He’s a little clunky as a dribbler but is coordinated and controlled. Most imperatively, Carter can make quick decisions with the ball, while also being able to capitalize on mismatches in the post. Carter’s all-around play paired with just above average athleticism earns him “high floor low ceiling” tabs, but it’s these kinds of versatile playmakers with high IQ and non eye-popping athleticism that draft connoisseurs are likely to underrate.

3.Jaren Jackson: Jackson’s value as the best defender in the class comes mostly on the other side of the ball, but I maintain that his ball-handling coordination is one of, if not, the most underrated skill in the draft. Jackson gets lumped in with Ibaka, but his dribbling ability and coordination there far exceeds Ibaka. Even with his funky push shot Jackson has shown consistent repetitive mechanics from even NBA 3 this year, with flashes of off movement shooting. The one trait that Jackson doesn’t bring to the table is quick decision-making as a passer, as he’s not nearly as adept there as Carter or Porter. Yet, he’s unselfish, and I like the way Jackson is wired and how he attacks open space off the bounce instead of settling. He’s also capable in the post with soft touch with either hand to beat mismatches soundly with his size and length extension. Overall, Jackson has all the perimeter goods outside of lightning quick processing and pull-up shooting when contested, and he shouldn’t be pigeon-holed into an outdated 3&D grouping.

4.Marvin Bagley: Bagley in theory projects to be able to do everything on the perimeter down the road if he plays the five. His ball-handling coordination is legitimate in the open court on grab-and-goes, he shows fluidity and excellent footwork getting to his pull-up in the mid-range, he’s incredibly active on the offensive glass to punish mismatches/can elevate over the top in the post and he’s even flashed quick read ability against zone defenses and on the move in tighter confines. Bagley’s 3-point shot due to non-elite touch and catapult mechanics aren’t a shoe-in to translate to NBA 3 however, and the ball slows him down in tighter spaces in the half court, especially playing the four. He’s a functional passer, but doesn’t make ultra-quick decisions consistently. There’s a lot to like about Bagley’s perimeter game, but there’s also a lot of uncertainty with shot projection in conjunction with position projection.

5.DeAndre Ayton: Of the elite bigs Ayton’s game fits the poorest of any of the non-Bamba types. He’s a proficient mid-range shooter, but his footwork is inconsistent with too much input and his arc is really flat, bringing into question how well he extends to NBA 3 consistently. He rarely ever dribbles, instead settling for pick-and-pop shots when he’s given airspace, so it’s difficult to assess his ball-handling coordination. JZ Mazlish already covered this face up dynamic expansively and I agree with his conclusions here from the flashes we’ve seen. Ayton is coordinated enough to run dribble hand-offs Andre Drummond style but he’s not going to face up a defender like Karl Towns or DeMarcus Cousins, put the ball between his legs a few times and blow by him to fluidly finish at the rim. He’s a hyper coordinated runner, but lacks that ability on-ball. Lastly, Ayton is a very capable and unselfish passer, who thrives patiently passing over the top of the defense against double teams especially, but he’s not a quick processor or decision-maker. What Ayton really brings in spades is the ability to post and potentially dictate enemy lineups, but does he have enough perimeter game to accompany this?

6.Mohamed Bamba: Bamba is the biggest mystery box of this group of bigs on the perimeter, mostly due to his recent mechanics overhaul working with Drew Hanlen. A reliable 3-point shot gives Bamba a completely different offensive ceiling, a ceiling that didn’t seem to exist with his old shot style being more of a fake shooter. Bamba has some coordination as a dribbler and proclivity as a passer (despite horrid assist stats at Texas) which he mostly showed in pre-college play, but I don’t think he projects as being difference-making at either. His frame also limits him establishing position on the inside in post ups, which can hopefully be remedied in time with girth addition and the ability to leverage. I haven’t finished the final stage of going over Bamba in-depth, so my position could change, but there is more offensive downside risk here than any of the above 5 players.

7.Robert Williams: Williams’ most projectable skill is his passing ability, which he shows creativeness and at times some quick read ability. He profiles as an iteration of Jordan Bell on short-rolls, which is where he could add some offensive value to a team outside of being a diver/finisher. Unfortunately Williams isn’t much of a dribbler coordination wise and can’t shoot at all. I’m not sure teams worry about his ability to post up effectively either at the next level, which limits his matchup dictator impact. Outside of passing, Williams isn’t bringing much value in terms of perimeter skill.

8.Mitchell Robinson: Robinson has been touted as a potential shooter and dribbler, but the tape I’ve seen of him screams “would you ever want him actually doing any of those things in a NBA game?” I’ve only really seen him in all-star circuit play and there isn’t much to take away passing wise from those. Robinson projects as mostly a play finisher in the Capela mold being a dynamic leaper, but not a big who is enabling five-out spacing play.


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Post#1456 » by LuessiT » Mon May 21, 2018 12:58 pm

Good read for those interested:

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/05/19/ball-handling-passing-defensive-versatility-wings-2018-draft/

Mirrors my stance that Mikal Bridges is somewhat overrated.
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Post#1457 » by Pachinko_ » Mon May 21, 2018 1:04 pm

"If a team is looking for extra incentive, Giannis will be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. One agent said it’d be a savvy move to sign Kostas as a means of developing a relationship with Giannis by proxy. Seems like a good reason for the Bucks to acquire Kostas, doesn’t it?"
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/21/17374906/nba-draft-combine-rumblings-takeaways

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Post#1458 » by crkone » Mon May 21, 2018 1:25 pm

LuessiT wrote:Good read for those interested:

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/05/19/ball-handling-passing-defensive-versatility-wings-2018-draft/

Mirrors my stance that Mikal Bridges is somewhat overrated.


That's it, I'm all in on Huerter.

Considering his quicks defending the perimeter, Huerter’s added strength (assuming it doesn’t impact his mobility negatively) should make him a very versatile defender at the NBA level, even given his below-average length relative to his size. When added to his high-level flashes as a handler and passer, Huerter performs extremely well in the defensive versatility/passing/ball handling framework, and that is before adding in that he is arguably the best shooter among this group of players. His low steals (0.77 per 40 pace-adjusted, last among the wings studied in this piece) are somewhat of a flag, but like Miles Bridges, a lot of that can be chalked up to his college scheme as Maryland posted the 17th-lowest steal percentage in the NCAA last season. Huerter is young with easily projectable two-way impact, and I’m comfortable saying he’s a top-15 prospect in this class.


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Post#1459 » by machu46 » Mon May 21, 2018 1:39 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:"If a team is looking for extra incentive, Giannis will be an unrestricted free agent in 2021. One agent said it’d be a savvy move to sign Kostas as a means of developing a relationship with Giannis by proxy. Seems like a good reason for the Bucks to acquire Kostas, doesn’t it?"
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/21/17374906/nba-draft-combine-rumblings-takeaways

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It makes sense if you think Kostas is a worthwhile draft pick to begin with, but I can't help but think that the agent that said this is Kostas' agent.

The big takeaways concerning the Bucks from that article is that Jontay Porter and DiVincenzo are both reportedly leaning towards returning to school.
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Post#1460 » by BucksFanSD » Mon May 21, 2018 2:12 pm

machu46 wrote:The big takeaways concerning the Bucks from that article is that Jontay Porter and DiVincenzo are both reportedly leaning towards returning to school.


I saw Porter's dad was quoted along the lines of if they believe he will be a first round pick then he would stay in the draft. I am not sure really why many mocks are putting him in the early 2nd round. He should be a first rounder easily IMO.

Next year's draft is much weaker and being so young I can see why Jontay might decide to return.

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