Political Roundtable Part XX

[nate33]

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So concerned about your convoluted grievances and being the victim, but not man enough to ask the question why? Why was all this done? But you know the answer, don't you?


This is where you blank out and scream Deep State.

It was done to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign. Obama/Hillary used the awesome power of U.S. Intelligence sources to spy on a political opponent. Moreover, I'm pretty sure we're going to find out that it was sting operation. Brennan directed various CIA assets to arrange for minor Trump campaign officials to meet with shady Russian guys. They then used those meetings to justify spying, and used the spying to justify a full blown FBI investigation. Initially it was to dig up dirt, but later it became a setup to try and implicate Trump in a crime so that they could impeach him.

[dckingsfan]

This from Hillary's chief strategist and pollster in 2008.

Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.
Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again…….

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

"Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again……."

i just wanted to emphasize this part. Because this is the real issue. This is what Nate and I have been laying out for over a year. This is the real issue and this is the REAL goal of the wealth accumulators that own and control OUR media alson own our largest corporations. And their money also controls MOST of our politicians and the "deep state." the deep state is not "do gooders.' they ar epeople like mccabe and comey who clearly have made decisions to enrich themselves based on their government positions. they are solely self-serving no matter the lies, spin, and conjecture...and worse they are easily bought off.

The wealth accumulators never want another Trump in office again. because they cant buy him. and cant own him. they therefore cant control him. And he is NOT established wealth either, like the Bush family. that can been part of the globalization of american corporations for over 100 years.

make no mistake, this entire collusion gate narrative was nothing more than an attempt to get rid of trump. If they didn't get rid of him then they wanted enough dirt on him so as to control him. Most politicians are too worried about getting muddied up because it works against them in the polls and they dont want to embarrass themselves or their families. They never thought a guy like Trump could come along and wear their (mostly phony) dirt like a badge of honor and still win. Because the media has you idiots convinced that only choir boys are worthy of office. they do this so as to control those "choir boys" by threatening to expose whatever little dirt that they have on them. And if this mess of corruption to destroy trump fully fails at both removing and/or controlling trump then its goal will be about compelling future billionaires to NEVER run for office and fix things. because no billionaire will ever want to endure this. and everyone should at some point come to understand only a very wealthy man can take on this kind Herculean task to begin to repair our country.

The wealth accumulators dont want things "fixed." because the (wealth accumulators) will all lose money. They dont want us eating healthy. exercising. living clean. minimal meds. minimal TV. healthy active life styles. they dont want us informed. But mostly They dont want us to have any kind of education that does NOT actively support the wealth accumulators station in life. They want us to blindly accept their accumulation of wealth. And most importantly, they dont want us to get along and get united. Because the dont want the american people to get a singular focus to fix our nation. Namely out debt. Our cost drivers. And our lack of rewards for policing the world. the american tax payer carries and unfair burden. and they dont want all of us focused on that. Instead they want us to relive the 1900's as if that ground had not been covered. it has. We can unite. Black brown, and white people can easily unite and focus on the unfair trade imbalances which will put all of our people back to work that want to work. Unfair wage growth due to globalization of manufacturing. Unfair burdens on the american tax payer due unfair cost drivers in health coverage and en entitlements. These are all intertwined: trade imbalances, manufacturing stagnation, immigration reform, wage stagnation, leading to increase costs in healthcare and entitlements for the under/unemployed. These all must be "fixed" together. address comprehensively. Slowly. over time. we must stay on course.And we must be properly rewarded for policing the world.

now some of you may think..."but...but trump is a billionaire! he's a wealth accumulator!" Yes. he is part of the problem." and on the surface, you may be right. But it will take a billionaire and only a billionaire or at least a guy worth 300 million or more to fix things. any one poorer wont have enough to properly fight for political survival.

1. They MUST have their own money so as to fight off the deep state who will smear them or worse. Recall, The Trumps already have over $40 million just in legal fees. Who can afford that?
2. they must have their own money so as NOT be tempted to be "bought off." I'm too old and seen too much to fool myself into thinking some altruistic good guy or gal is going to show up and "save us."
3. They must understand the complete and entire global financial world. Both trade, manufacturing, and banking.
4. They must be willing to make the "tough decisions."
5. Most importantly, they must understand that our debt can and will bury us.

Only a very wealthy person with many strong allies that he can trust will ever have a chance to fix our debt and trade issues. Because a unwealthy person will simply be bought off to not address it. and the bought and paid for media will let them off the hook.

Once our country is "fixed." once our debt is paid down and we have healthy trade balances where our unemployment levels are very low and wages high...and entitlement payouts at healthy and sustainable levels. Once that occurs. Then we will be healthy enough to attack the wealth accumulators. Close their loopholes in the trusts and foundations and tax their wealth as they die at at least 70% death tax rates (including foundations..so called "non profits"). then and only then will this world begin to be "fair and just" for all.

i believe in capitalism. its a great system. But we cant keep allowing the wealthy to accumulate more and more and pass it down virtually untaxed or at low tax rates. make as much as you want or can while alive. but you dont get to keep it (in the family) when you die.

But it all starts with a frugal patriotic nationalist billionaire. Only a frugal patriotic nationalist agenda with a billion or more behind him has any kind of chance to win and then stay in office. the first fix is on international issues like trade and manufacturing imbalances and addressing our the debt as the sickness it is. Gotta start there first.

But Trump hasn't fixed any of the above. He hasn't started with anything. He is almost two years in when (in general) POTUS stops being effective.

He is just not a good POTUS. Next.

[gtn130]

In March 2016 Carter Page Was an FBI Employee – In October 2016 FBI Told FISA Court He’s a Spy…

If Carter Page was working as a UCE (FBI undercover employee), responsible for the bust of a high level Russian agent in 2013 -and remained a UCE- throughout the court case UP TO May of 2016, how is it possible that on October 21st 2016 Carter Page is put under a FISA Title 1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent?

Conclusion: He wasn’t. The DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division, knew he wasn’t. The DOJ-NSD and FBI flat-out LIED.

I mean that isn't even true. Literally the only places making the assertion that he was an FBI employee are right wing derposphere blogs. If he was actively working for the FBI, why would they question him in 2015?

I'm not taking the time and going down the rabbit hole to disprove right wing conspiracy theory nonsense. The burden of proof is on you when you're coming out with unverified drivel being peddled exclusively by the derposphere. We can fast forward here since we know how this will play out.

[gtn130]

lol this is a funny conversation. partisan hack vs. partisan hack. Who will come out on top?

Spoiler:

nobody. everyone loses

Cool post. Stick to Glenn Greenwald's twitter feed my guy.

TGW is basically Induveca

[gtn130]

“I’m not very familiar with the whole UCE concept,” he initially told The Daily Caller News Foundation when asked if he had heard the rumors that he was an undercover FBI agent. “I would assume that I’d have been briefed if I were somehow in it.”

Told that the undercover agent planted recording devices in order to surveil, Page said, “well that settles that.”

“Never did anything of that variety.”

Thanks for wasting my time, Nate

[stilldropin20]

This from Hillary's chief strategist and pollster in 2008.

Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
BY MARK PENN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 05/20/18 07:00 PM EDT

The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton“matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

But it is backfiring. They started by telling the story of Alexander Downer, an Australian diplomat, as having remembered a bar conversation with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. But how did the FBI know they should talk to him? That’s left out of their narrative. Downer’s signature appears on a $25 million contribution to the Clinton Foundation. You don’t need much imagination to figure that he was close with Clinton Foundation operatives who relayed information to the State Department, which then called the FBI to complete the loop. This wasn’t intelligence. It was likely opposition research from the start.

In no way would a fourth-hand report from a Maltese professor justify wholesale targeting of four or five members of the Trump campaign. It took Christopher Steele, with his funding concealed through false campaign filings, to be incredibly successful at creating a vast echo chamber around his unverified, fanciful dossier, bouncing it back and forth between the press and the FBI so it appeared that there were multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion.

Time and time again, investigators came up empty. Even several sting operations with an FBI spy we just learned about failed to produce a Delorean-like video with cash on the table. But rather than close the probe, the deep state just expanded it. All they had were a few isolated contacts with Russians and absolutely nothing related to Trump himself, yet they pressed forward. Egged on by Steele, they simply believed Trump and his team must be dirty. They just needed to dig deep enough.

Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms. With Attorney General Jeff Sessionsshoved out of the way, Rosenstein and Mueller then ignored their own conflicts and took charge anyway. Rosenstein is a fact witness, and Mueller is a friend of Comey, disqualifying them both.
Flush with 16 prosecutors, including a former lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, and an undisclosed budget, the Mueller investigation has been a scorched-earth effort to investigate the entirety of the Trump campaign, Trump business dealings, the entire administration and now, if it was not Russia, maybe it’s some other country.

The president’s earlier legal team was naive in believing that, when Mueller found nothing, he would just end it. Instead, the less investigators found, the more determined and expansive they became. This president and his team now are on a better road to put appropriate limits on all this.

This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again…….

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

"Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again……."

i just wanted to emphasize this part. Because this is the real issue. This is what Nate and I have been laying out for over a year. This is the real issue and this is the REAL goal of the wealth accumulators that own and control OUR media alson own our largest corporations. And their money also controls MOST of our politicians and the "deep state." the deep state is not "do gooders.' they ar epeople like mccabe and comey who clearly have made decisions to enrich themselves based on their government positions. they are solely self-serving no matter the lies, spin, and conjecture...and worse they are easily bought off.

The wealth accumulators never want another Trump in office again. because they cant buy him. and cant own him. they therefore cant control him. And he is NOT established wealth either, like the Bush family. that can been part of the globalization of american corporations for over 100 years.

make no mistake, this entire collusion gate narrative was nothing more than an attempt to get rid of trump. If they didn't get rid of him then they wanted enough dirt on him so as to control him. Most politicians are too worried about getting muddied up because it works against them in the polls and they dont want to embarrass themselves or their families. They never thought a guy like Trump could come along and wear their (mostly phony) dirt like a badge of honor and still win. Because the media has you idiots convinced that only choir boys are worthy of office. they do this so as to control those "choir boys" by threatening to expose whatever little dirt that they have on them. And if this mess of corruption to destroy trump fully fails at both removing and/or controlling trump then its goal will be about compelling future billionaires to NEVER run for office and fix things. because no billionaire will ever want to endure this. and everyone should at some point come to understand only a very wealthy man can take on this kind Herculean task to begin to repair our country.

The wealth accumulators dont want things "fixed." because the (wealth accumulators) will all lose money. They dont want us eating healthy. exercising. living clean. minimal meds. minimal TV. healthy active life styles. they dont want us informed. But mostly They dont want us to have any kind of education that does NOT actively support the wealth accumulators station in life. They want us to blindly accept their accumulation of wealth. And most importantly, they dont want us to get along and get united. Because the dont want the american people to get a singular focus to fix our nation. Namely out debt. Our cost drivers. And our lack of rewards for policing the world. the american tax payer carries and unfair burden. and they dont want all of us focused on that. Instead they want us to relive the 1900's as if that ground had not been covered. it has. We can unite. Black brown, and white people can easily unite and focus on the unfair trade imbalances which will put all of our people back to work that want to work. Unfair wage growth due to globalization of manufacturing. Unfair burdens on the american tax payer due unfair cost drivers in health coverage and en entitlements. These are all intertwined: trade imbalances, manufacturing stagnation, immigration reform, wage stagnation, leading to increase costs in healthcare and entitlements for the under/unemployed. These all must be "fixed" together. address comprehensively. Slowly. over time. we must stay on course.And we must be properly rewarded for policing the world.

now some of you may think..."but...but trump is a billionaire! he's a wealth accumulator!" Yes. he is part of the problem." and on the surface, you may be right. But it will take a billionaire and only a billionaire or at least a guy worth 300 million or more to fix things. any one poorer wont have enough to properly fight for political survival.

1. They MUST have their own money so as to fight off the deep state who will smear them or worse. Recall, The Trumps already have over $40 million just in legal fees. Who can afford that?
2. they must have their own money so as NOT be tempted to be "bought off." I'm too old and seen too much to fool myself into thinking some altruistic good guy or gal is going to show up and "save us."
3. They must understand the complete and entire global financial world. Both trade, manufacturing, and banking.
4. They must be willing to make the "tough decisions."
5. Most importantly, they must understand that our debt can and will bury us.

Only a very wealthy person with many strong allies that he can trust will ever have a chance to fix our debt and trade issues. Because a unwealthy person will simply be bought off to not address it. and the bought and paid for media will let them off the hook.

Once our country is "fixed." once our debt is paid down and we have healthy trade balances where our unemployment levels are very low and wages high...and entitlement payouts at healthy and sustainable levels. Once that occurs. Then we will be healthy enough to attack the wealth accumulators. Close their loopholes in the trusts and foundations and tax their wealth as they die at at least 70% death tax rates (including foundations..so called "non profits"). then and only then will this world begin to be "fair and just" for all.

i believe in capitalism. its a great system. But we cant keep allowing the wealthy to accumulate more and more and pass it down virtually untaxed or at low tax rates. make as much as you want or can while alive. but you dont get to keep it (in the family) when you die.

But it all starts with a frugal patriotic nationalist billionaire. Only a frugal patriotic nationalist agenda with a billion or more behind him has any kind of chance to win and then stay in office. the first fix is on international issues like trade and manufacturing imbalances and addressing our the debt as the sickness it is. Gotta start there first.

But Trump hasn't fixed any of the above. He hasn't started with anything. He is almost two years in when (in general) POTUS stops being effective.

He is just not a good POTUS. Next.

Hmmm...buried in the the trump bashing might be a good point...that new potus' becomes ineffective rather quickly.

But Why? Who stifles him? Does he simply begin to become bought off? very likely. OR do "they" now have enough "dirt" on him to stifle his agenda and shut him/her up? Does the new potus just get exhausted? sense of accomplishment, just being "named" potus is enough for most? And frankly, are most men simply not "up" for the job. No idea how "bad" things are So no real idea how to fix it? maybe most new potus' are NOT capable of making the tough decisions?"

I think so and a combination thereof. It must be the most taxing "job" in the world.

And thats why i keep harping on the idea that only an old, frugal, stubborn, self made billionaire can right this ship. Only a guy like that will have the stomach for the job, the appetite for the work, the stubborness to stay the course, enough real life experience to not get rattled easy, the wisdom to not be fooled by fool's gold, and his own money so as not to be bought off as well as pay for his own legal team to fight the deep state allegations.

as for the time in office aspect though? Ho hum. You know the answer. You know this will take time. decades. multiple administrations. But the hard part is righting the ship. Once the ship is righted futures generations simply need to stay the course.

its going to take at least 2-3 terms to get even close to being "steady" and on the right course.

About that course...you clearly see trump speaking about "trade" imbalances and "losing jobs" overseas all the time. Losing "american" money to foreign countries? Why are you saying he is not addressing it?? It begins by talking about it. often and regularly. making it part of the national dialogue. No one really talked about for over the past 30 years.

Since china has become such an economic threat, lets address that quickly.

China develop began in the 1970's due to tremendous rothschilds infusion of cash out of European and american markets. Never ever ever forget that it takes money to make money. The rothschilds mostly moved on from the united states as a cash cow to grow their wealth by the end of the 70's. they lost interest in us after we came out on top in both world wars and made them pay us (in rothschild Gold held by rothschild world banks) for our troubles to bail out Europe against Germany. So they moved on to china and india. Infused cash to developed both. Once china became a similar behemoth economy as the unitied states the rothschilds got what they wanted-another place to finance development..all of which made every world corporation much larger because the chinese and indian people and their massive populations became consumers. More phones to sell. more cars. more raw materials. more war materials. more everything to produce and consume. which all translates to more borrowing of money from world banks and production and consumption for the wealth accumulators.

Which is all fine and dandy so long as the wealth is NOT slowly retracted from the country that YOU live in by losing jobs, losing manufacturing (even automated), losing companies (tax revenue), losing technology etc. You must KEEP THE WEALTH IN YOUR COUNTRY!! AND YOU MUST DISTRIBUTE THAT WEALTH FAIRLY. Both are important. But really, keeping it in your country is the first order solution and the rate determining step!!!

Again, It will take time to renegotiate better "deals." Why would anyone take trump seriously if the country does NOT get behind him?? The country must get united. and must develop a singular purpose on trade balances, keeping jobs in the US and increasing wages which is part of motivating people to work.

if the people dont get behind Trump then foreign nations can just wait out the 4 years, no? Once trump is removed foreign nations can then go back to policies where the united states keeps losing jobs and money overseas, if the sitting US president and congress wont challenge them ,no? They simply have to wait for the next shmuck like Obama, Clinton, and Bush who didn't posess the political capital for the right kinds of reasons like nationalism, trade, jobs, repatriating american money, etc.

But no country can or would be willing to wait 20-30 years. Especially with the burdensome constricting American sanctions on them? 2-3 years of sanctions? sure! 15 years of sanctions? no way. their people will starve. they will be compelled to conform.

So this will take a great effort to EVEN begin the correct course. "To right the ship." And trump is attempting to get the United States on a better course. Thats the beginning.

Once we get on the right course congress will then see a balanced budget amendment as a necessity.

Once the balanced budgetamendment gets passed congress will be forced to look at the cost drivers of the budget like entitlements and the burden of the debt since it does actually pay for anything except passed borrowing.

This will take multiple administration that are like minded and united on these fronts for foreign nations to take us serious. And you know this.

And our Potus' must have the appetite for the job. To stay the course for their entire term(s). and not be swayed by big money like the clintons were. like obama was. Both of whom just really wanted to be "rockstars." Trump already was a rockstar. he came here for different reasons. He came for you.

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[stilldropin20]

are you libtards not concerned that all 3 of clapper, brennen and Comey pretended (rather lied) to you, to congress, to everyone that Trump was not only not spied on during the campaign. And ALL the evidence suggest that the surveillance was initiated by the highest levels of the DOJ and CIA.

I repeat. This was not organic information by an informant. The informant was in fact instructed to insert himself into the Trump campaign.

Everything so far demonstrates that there was a political spy purposefully embedded into the trump campaign.

And now they have the proof!!

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[dckingsfan]

But Trump hasn't fixed any of the above. He hasn't started with anything. He is almost two years in when (in general) POTUS stops being effective.

He is just not a good POTUS. Next.

But Why? Who stifles him?

He did it to himself by trying to repeal the ACA instead of going after the cost drivers of healthcare and by using his second major effort for tax reform which did nothing for growth or sustainability.

Next.

[gtn130]

SD20, you can't even source any of this garbage because it's all right wing fan fiction.

The hilarious thing is that the latest narrative is "yes yes you caught us doing a bunch of illegal stuff...but you spied on us!!!"

[stilldropin20]

But Trump hasn't fixed any of the above. He hasn't started with anything. He is almost two years in when (in general) POTUS stops being effective.

He is just not a good POTUS. Next.

But Why? Who stifles him?

He did it to himself by trying to repeal the ACA instead of going after the cost drivers of healthcare and by using his second major effort for tax reform which did nothing for growth or sustainability.

Next.

so exposing the deep state is not progress?

Iran is not progress?

North korea is not progress?

China?

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[dckingsfan]

But Why? Who stifles him?

He did it to himself by trying to repeal the ACA instead of going after the cost drivers of healthcare and by using his second major effort for tax reform which did nothing for growth or sustainability.

Next.

so exposing the deep state is not progress?

Iran is not progress?

North korea is not progress?

China?

The deep state that he is "exposing" isn't really the deep state problem we have - so no.

Iran - sorry, no progress there. He did like Obama did in Iraq - bailed with no solution. Let's see how it plays out - but you can't count it as progress.

North Korea - you are keeping up to date with the news right? No progress.

China - Talks but no progress yet.

And more importantly, cost drivers for healthcare - nope. Policies to expand growth - nope. Policies that make for a more sustainable government - nope.

[stilldropin20]

SD20, you can't even source any of this garbage because it's all right wing fan fiction.

The hilarious thing is that the latest narrative is "yes yes you caught us doing a bunch of illegal stuff...but you spied on us!!!"

they din't get caught doing anything. No crimes were committed on the campaign trail. None. zippo. zero. nilch nada. nothing.

You cant point to one single crime of collusion or anything like collusion to anyone. even lowlife barely connected douchebags like papadopolos and page. and you know this. so why do you keep pretending that Trump was involved.

all you keep pointing to are 1 meeting where Don Jr was offered dirt. That dirt never changed hands and Don jr never offered anything back in return. And that's why no one has been charge with any kind of crime while campaining.

papadoplos lied about something and plead guilty. as did gates in regard to stuff him and manaforte did in 2005. stuff nothing to do with the campaign. Flynn lied about something that was legal and plead out about lying to make it go away.

So you "got" nothing. But you continue to insist you got something. Why? Its weird.

But more and more and more and more defintive evidence keeps coming out that the Obama DOJ and CIA spied on the trump campaign for political purposes. Something that Nixon got impeached for.

[zero2hero]

Reducing our trade deficit with China. I like that.

[stilldropin20]

He did it to himself by trying to repeal the ACA instead of going after the cost drivers of healthcare and by using his second major effort for tax reform which did nothing for growth or sustainability.

Next.

so exposing the deep state is not progress?

Iran is not progress?

North korea is not progress?

China?

The deep state that he is "exposing" isn't really the deep state problem we have - so no.

Iran - sorry, no progress there. He did like Obama did in Iraq - bailed with no solution. Let's see how it plays out - but you can't count it as progress.

North Korea - you are keeping up to date with the news right? No progress.

China - Talks but no progress yet.

And more importantly, cost drivers for healthcare - nope. Policies to expand growth - nope. Policies that make for a more sustainable government - nope.

no progress!!! lol the NK summit is not even scheduled until june 12th!! sanctions that led to the summit began 15 months ago!!!!lol . sanctions just got announced today for Iran!! come on. this is arguing in bad faith!! there is a puposeful dishonesty built into your argument. Or are you really that impatient???

And please tell us which "arm" of the deep state you feel is "the problem." Seriously.

[dckingsfan]

Reducing our trade deficit with China. I like that.

Yes! IF it reduces our trade deficit AND doesn't impact the economy as a whole.

[dckingsfan]

so exposing the deep state is not progress?

Iran is not progress?

North korea is not progress?

China?

The deep state that he is "exposing" isn't really the deep state problem we have - so no.

Iran - sorry, no progress there. He did like Obama did in Iraq - bailed with no solution. Let's see how it plays out - but you can't count it as progress.

North Korea - you are keeping up to date with the news right? No progress.

China - Talks but no progress yet.

And more importantly, cost drivers for healthcare - nope. Policies to expand growth - nope. Policies that make for a more sustainable government - nope.

no progress!!! lol the NK summit is not even scheduled until june 12th!! sanctions that led to the summit began 15 months ago!!!!lol . sanctions just got announced today for Iran!! come on. this is arguing in bad faith!! there is a puposeful dishonesty built into your argument. Or are you really that impatient???

And please tell us which "arm" of the deep state you feel is "the problem." Seriously.

Let's define things a bit here shall we. Progress = things actually accomplished. Promises = things still maybe to come. You are citing promises not actual progress. Maybe a little bit impatient for this train wreck of an administration to actually accomplish something.

And the deep state I am talking about is for example the industrial military complex (military, politicians, business). Where politicians agree to expand the military unnecessarily in conjunction with private enterprise. Please see the recent budget increasing military spending - oh wait, this administration is now part of that...

[stilldropin20]

The deep state that he is "exposing" isn't really the deep state problem we have - so no.

Iran - sorry, no progress there. He did like Obama did in Iraq - bailed with no solution. Let's see how it plays out - but you can't count it as progress.

North Korea - you are keeping up to date with the news right? No progress.

China - Talks but no progress yet.

And more importantly, cost drivers for healthcare - nope. Policies to expand growth - nope. Policies that make for a more sustainable government - nope.

no progress!!! lol the NK summit is not even scheduled until june 12th!! sanctions that led to the summit began 15 months ago!!!!lol . sanctions just got announced today for Iran!! come on. this is arguing in bad faith!! there is a puposeful dishonesty built into your argument. Or are you really that impatient???

And please tell us which "arm" of the deep state you feel is "the problem." Seriously.

Let's define things a bit here shall we. Progress = things actually accomplished. Promises = things still maybe to come. You are citing promises not actual progress. Maybe a little bit impatient for this train wreck of an administration to actually accomplish something.

And the deep state I am talking about is for example the industrial military complex (military, politicians, business). Where politicians agree to expand the military unnecessarily in conjunction with private enterprise. Please see the recent budget increasing military spending - oh wait, this administration is now part of that...

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[dckingsfan]

no progress!!! lol the NK summit is not even scheduled until june 12th!! sanctions that led to the summit began 15 months ago!!!!lol . sanctions just got announced today for Iran!! come on. this is arguing in bad faith!! there is a puposeful dishonesty built into your argument. Or are you really that impatient???

And please tell us which "arm" of the deep state you feel is "the problem." Seriously.

Let's define things a bit here shall we. Progress = things actually accomplished. Promises = things still maybe to come. You are citing promises not actual progress. Maybe a little bit impatient for this train wreck of an administration to actually accomplish something.

And the deep state I am talking about is for example the industrial military complex (military, politicians, business). Where politicians agree to expand the military unnecessarily in conjunction with private enterprise. Please see the recent budget increasing military spending - oh wait, this administration is now part of that...

Read on Twitter

Again, these negotiations have happened in the past with no net gain. Let's see how this plays out - remember, even Trump has doubts about their success. Maybe a bit premature to claim victory? Maybe a bit impatient?

[nate33]

Interesting article from my second favorite liberal, Caitlin Johnstone. (Camille Paglia is my favorite.)

It's a good example of how the mainstream media is totally bought and paid for by globalist Deep State interests. They absolutely cannot be trusted. They are propaganda, not news. We have always been at war with Oceania.

On the fourth of March, in the sleepy British cathedral town of Salisbury, an ex-spy named Sergei Skripal was poisoned by an assassin with the most deadly nerve agent known to man.

The Russian government was immediately blamed by a shocked and outraged world. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson assured the people of Great Britain that “There’s no doubt” that Moscow was responsible. In a large and sudden leap forward in cold war escalations, Russian diplomats were thrown out of countries all around the globe, including my own Australia, in a show of solidarity with the United Kingdom. It was the largest collective ejection of Russian diplomats in history.

Two months after his earth-shattering assassination, as the world stared spellbound at the weekend’s immensely popular PR spectacle of a royal wedding, Sergei Skripal was quietly discharged from the hospital he’d been staying at. The BBC reports that he is walking and approaching complete recovery.

So to recap, an ex-spy who had been retired and strategically irrelevant for years was reportedly poisoned by the Kremlin with Novichok, a scary Russian-sounding word which refers to a group of extremely deadly and fast-acting nerve agents that start shutting down the body’s muscles and respiratory system within 30 seconds to two minutes. Except in the case of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia it was several hours with a leisurely stroll, a meal, and beers in between.

The poison was placed in Yulia Skripal’s suitcase. Actually no, they got that wrong, it was the air vents in their car. Wait, no, that doesn’t work either. Maybe it was administered via weaponized miniature drone! Wait, no, it was the family’s car door handle. Actually, scratch that, it was the front door of the house. Definitely the front door of the house. We’re absolutely sure. Either that or Sergei Skripal’s favorite Russian cereal. They were given 100 grams of Novichok. Wait, no, that’s ridiculous, we retract that. Okay, maybe we have no idea what happened. Oh hey, their pets were completely unaffected by the poison. Let’s incinerate them.

Oh, and Johnson’s claim that the Porton Down laboratory had assured him “There’s no doubt” that Russia was behind the poisoning? Turns out that was just a bald-faced lie; Porton Down said no such thing and it was never its job to make such an assessment. Johnson lied, and both the Foreign Office and British mainstream media attempted to cover it up; tweets were deleted, transcripts were re-written, and narratives were given a good spin of historic revisionism by asserting that the UK government’s unequivocal insistence that the Kremlin poisoned the Skripals had been merely a “suggestion”.

And now both Sergei and Yulia Skripal, alleged victims of a poisoning by highly trained assassins using the deadliest nerve agent ever created, are doing fine. But you’re still supposed to fear and hate Russia. Just don’t think too hard about it or remember too much.

[gtn130]

Glad you're fired up about the military industrial complex, Nate.

Problem is John Bolton is NSA, Mike Pompeo is SecState, and we just tore up the Iran Deal.

And [Republican] congress is expanding our military budget.