HEZI wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:HEZI wrote:
Exactly! BDiddy too. You would not want to be left on an Island with BDiddy
when i think of handle i think of control, not and 1 barnstorming. nash was not the flashiest dribbler of his day. i guess we weren't talking about the same thing.
Well then every NBA PG is going to be considered "elite" because they all have ball control. When I think of elite I think of NBA standards not average hooper standards. So I will never put a guy like Jeff Teague and Kyrie Irving in the same "elite" category. Or a guy like Mike Conley with CP3. That's just me.
How did you get that idea out of the convo at hand? AI vs Nash is comparing two capable ball handlers who were adept at getting into the paint. No one is talking about Charlie Ward, Derek Fisher, Steve Blake etc as "elite ball handlers". As long as you can "break down man coverage" and effectively split a double team, I think that get's you in the convo then it's just degrees.
You have guys who can execute a 1 on 1 move and get open space, but when doubled struggle. Then you have guys who won't be able to single handedly get into the paint, but with even the facade of a screen coming can exploit the gap and get inside. The real ones can do both. IMO.