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[GimmeDat]

So love the Kings draft on here and hope it comes true. But curious on your thoughts of a trade if the Kings think Giles/ Ayton is an overlap.

Do you think Chicago trades Markennan and 7 for 2 and the rights for Ayton? Not sure I would do it but I think the Kings might.

Apologies, missed your post. I don't think it's necessarily an overlap, I mean it could be, but I would not be concerning yourself with the potential outcome of a guy like Giles that (in spite of how good he's potentially sounding to be) hasn't played an NBA game and had a tonne of question marks which dropped him to 20 last draft.

If Doncic's there instead, I think it might be a more preferable outcome, because you can easily project a lineup like Fox/Hield/Doncic/Skal/Giles, but of course Bogdan has been really good as well and you're pushing him to the bench. Either way, I think Bogdan or Giles could be excellent 6th men.

As for the Bulls, I think Markkanen is untouchable. If we do trade up, we'd be looking to use our other assets. A potential trade up Bulls fans have discussed has been 7/Portis/22 for pick 3 or 4, should we like one of those guys higher up, and should Bamba and MPJ both be gone by our pick. That's probably as far as I would go for #2 if Ayton's the guy available.

My initial thoughts are that the Kings should just stick to their spot, but even if we use the 7/Portis/22 trade as an example, it's an interesting thought for the Kings. There's a lot of draft heads on twitter that don't like Ayton's ability to help an NBA team - if you look at The Stepien, they have Ayton at 6, citing the playoffs as an example of the way the game is trending, and concerns about his defense and how important that is at the C position. Maybe they also look at a guy like MPJ and are sold on him, obviously he's pretty polarizing but many talk about him like he's the #1 guy when healthy.

So if the Kings are thinking along those lines, perhaps they look at 7/22/Portis as appealing. They could roll out -

Fox / Mason Jr.
Hield / Okogie
MPJ / Bogdanovic / J.Jackson
Portis / Skal
Giles / WCS

You get a top prospect in MPJ, a starting PF in Portis, and a defensive 2/3 in Okogie.

I dunno, just an idea, I'd probably just stick with #2 if I was you but depending on how the Kings evaluate a bunch of factors, like just how high they are on Giles being the future C, how much they like a guy like MPJ or someone else, and whether they see Portis as a legit starter (I do), it might be an interesting deal.

[Sactowndog]

So love the Kings draft on here and hope it comes true. But curious on your thoughts of a trade if the Kings think Giles/ Ayton is an overlap.

Do you think Chicago trades Markennan and 7 for 2 and the rights for Ayton? Not sure I would do it but I think the Kings might.

Apologies, missed your post. I don't think it's necessarily an overlap, I mean it could be, but I would not be concerning yourself with the potential outcome of a guy like Giles that (in spite of how good he's potentially sounding to be) hasn't played an NBA game and had a tonne of question marks which dropped him to 20 last draft.

If Doncic's there instead, I think it might be a more preferable outcome, because you can easily project a lineup like Fox/Hield/Doncic/Skal/Giles, but of course Bogdan has been really good as well and you're pushing him to the bench. Either way, I think Bogdan or Giles could be excellent 6th men.

As for the Bulls, I think Markkanen is untouchable. If we do trade up, we'd be looking to use our other assets. A potential trade up Bulls fans have discussed has been 7/Portis/22 for pick 3 or 4, should we like one of those guys higher up, and should Bamba and MPJ both be gone by our pick. That's probably as far as I would go for #2 if Ayton's the guy available.

My initial thoughts are that the Kings should just stick to their spot, but even if we use the 7/Portis/22 trade as an example, it's an interesting thought for the Kings. There's a lot of draft heads on twitter that don't like Ayton's ability to help an NBA team - if you look at The Stepien, they have Ayton at 6, citing the playoffs as an example of the way the game is trending, and concerns about his defense and how important that is at the C position. Maybe they also look at a guy like MPJ and are sold on him, obviously he's pretty polarizing but many talk about him like he's the #1 guy when healthy.

So if the Kings are thinking along those lines, perhaps they look at 7/22/Portis as appealing. They could roll out -

Fox / Mason Jr.
Hield / Okogie
MPJ / Bogdanovic / J.Jackson
Portis / Skal
Giles / WCS

You get a top prospect in MPJ, a starting PF in Portis, and a defensive 2/3 in Okogie.

I dunno, just an idea, I'd probably just stick with #2 if I was you but depending on how the Kings evaluate a bunch of factors, like just how high they are on Giles being the future C, how much they like a guy like MPJ or someone else, and whether they see Portis as a legit starter (I do), it might be an interesting deal.

Yeah thanks. It’s hard to overstate how high the Kings are on Giles. Think the return of Chris Weber. They have been watching him practice since Feb so they have a pretty good handle on him. So Giles definately won’t be coming off the bench and could be the Kings best player next year.

I think they would love to pair him with Laurie but would have no interest in Portis. I think they will stick at 2 unless offered a great deal for someone like Markennan. I think Pheonix goes Doncic so the Kings will want a player that can or projects to shoot the 3. Perhaps that player is Ayton.

As for the Kings line up next year I think the most likely line up would be:

Giles / WCS / Koufos
Ayton / Skal / ZBo
Hezonja / Jackson / Bonga
Bogdanovich / Hield / Shumpert
Fox / Mason / Temple

Then depending on who does or doesn’t develop at the 3 and point they go hard in Free Agency in 19 when WCS, Koufos, ZBo, Shumpert and Temple frees up $44M in contracts

[GimmeDat]

So love the Kings draft on here and hope it comes true. But curious on your thoughts of a trade if the Kings think Giles/ Ayton is an overlap.

Do you think Chicago trades Markennan and 7 for 2 and the rights for Ayton? Not sure I would do it but I think the Kings might.

Apologies, missed your post. I don't think it's necessarily an overlap, I mean it could be, but I would not be concerning yourself with the potential outcome of a guy like Giles that (in spite of how good he's potentially sounding to be) hasn't played an NBA game and had a tonne of question marks which dropped him to 20 last draft.

If Doncic's there instead, I think it might be a more preferable outcome, because you can easily project a lineup like Fox/Hield/Doncic/Skal/Giles, but of course Bogdan has been really good as well and you're pushing him to the bench. Either way, I think Bogdan or Giles could be excellent 6th men.

As for the Bulls, I think Markkanen is untouchable. If we do trade up, we'd be looking to use our other assets. A potential trade up Bulls fans have discussed has been 7/Portis/22 for pick 3 or 4, should we like one of those guys higher up, and should Bamba and MPJ both be gone by our pick. That's probably as far as I would go for #2 if Ayton's the guy available.

My initial thoughts are that the Kings should just stick to their spot, but even if we use the 7/Portis/22 trade as an example, it's an interesting thought for the Kings. There's a lot of draft heads on twitter that don't like Ayton's ability to help an NBA team - if you look at The Stepien, they have Ayton at 6, citing the playoffs as an example of the way the game is trending, and concerns about his defense and how important that is at the C position. Maybe they also look at a guy like MPJ and are sold on him, obviously he's pretty polarizing but many talk about him like he's the #1 guy when healthy.

So if the Kings are thinking along those lines, perhaps they look at 7/22/Portis as appealing. They could roll out -

Fox / Mason Jr.
Hield / Okogie
MPJ / Bogdanovic / J.Jackson
Portis / Skal
Giles / WCS

You get a top prospect in MPJ, a starting PF in Portis, and a defensive 2/3 in Okogie.

I dunno, just an idea, I'd probably just stick with #2 if I was you but depending on how the Kings evaluate a bunch of factors, like just how high they are on Giles being the future C, how much they like a guy like MPJ or someone else, and whether they see Portis as a legit starter (I do), it might be an interesting deal.

Yeah thanks. It’s hard to overstate how high the Kings are on Giles. Think the return of Chris Weber. They have been watching him practice since Feb so they have a pretty good handle on him. So Giles definately won’t be coming off the bench and could be the Kings best player next year.

I think they would love to pair him with Laurie but would have no interest in Portis. I think they will stick at 2 unless offered a great deal for someone like Markennan. I think Pheonix goes Doncic so the Kings will want a player that can or projects to shoot the 3. Perhaps that player is Ayton.

As for the Kings line up next year I think the most likely line up would be:

Giles / WCS / Koufos
Ayton / Skal / ZBo
Hezonja / Jackson / Bonga
Bogdanovich / Hield / Shumpert
Fox / Mason / Temple

Then depending on who does or doesn’t develop at the 3 and point they go hard in Free Agency in 19 when WCS, Koufos, ZBo, Shumpert and Temple frees up $44M in contracts

I would advise against running Ayton at the 4, I don't think that's maximizing his potential. He has a decent mid-range jumper but it doesn't have a lot of range on it at this time either.

Perhaps even considering trading down to 3 for Bagley might be worth considering if you're insistent on Giles starting at the 5. I think Bagley projects strongly as a shooter scorer, he's more suited at the 4 because of his lack of length, and he's much more mobile and able to make plays facing up and on the perimeter off close-outs than Ayton.

Not sure what Atlanta could give you to make it worth your while, but that's an avenue worth considering.

[Sactowndog]

Apologies, missed your post. I don't think it's necessarily an overlap, I mean it could be, but I would not be concerning yourself with the potential outcome of a guy like Giles that (in spite of how good he's potentially sounding to be) hasn't played an NBA game and had a tonne of question marks which dropped him to 20 last draft.

If Doncic's there instead, I think it might be a more preferable outcome, because you can easily project a lineup like Fox/Hield/Doncic/Skal/Giles, but of course Bogdan has been really good as well and you're pushing him to the bench. Either way, I think Bogdan or Giles could be excellent 6th men.

As for the Bulls, I think Markkanen is untouchable. If we do trade up, we'd be looking to use our other assets. A potential trade up Bulls fans have discussed has been 7/Portis/22 for pick 3 or 4, should we like one of those guys higher up, and should Bamba and MPJ both be gone by our pick. That's probably as far as I would go for #2 if Ayton's the guy available.

My initial thoughts are that the Kings should just stick to their spot, but even if we use the 7/Portis/22 trade as an example, it's an interesting thought for the Kings. There's a lot of draft heads on twitter that don't like Ayton's ability to help an NBA team - if you look at The Stepien, they have Ayton at 6, citing the playoffs as an example of the way the game is trending, and concerns about his defense and how important that is at the C position. Maybe they also look at a guy like MPJ and are sold on him, obviously he's pretty polarizing but many talk about him like he's the #1 guy when healthy.

So if the Kings are thinking along those lines, perhaps they look at 7/22/Portis as appealing. They could roll out -

Fox / Mason Jr.
Hield / Okogie
MPJ / Bogdanovic / J.Jackson
Portis / Skal
Giles / WCS

You get a top prospect in MPJ, a starting PF in Portis, and a defensive 2/3 in Okogie.

I dunno, just an idea, I'd probably just stick with #2 if I was you but depending on how the Kings evaluate a bunch of factors, like just how high they are on Giles being the future C, how much they like a guy like MPJ or someone else, and whether they see Portis as a legit starter (I do), it might be an interesting deal.

Yeah thanks. It’s hard to overstate how high the Kings are on Giles. Think the return of Chris Weber. They have been watching him practice since Feb so they have a pretty good handle on him. So Giles definately won’t be coming off the bench and could be the Kings best player next year.

I think they would love to pair him with Laurie but would have no interest in Portis. I think they will stick at 2 unless offered a great deal for someone like Markennan. I think Pheonix goes Doncic so the Kings will want a player that can or projects to shoot the 3. Perhaps that player is Ayton.

As for the Kings line up next year I think the most likely line up would be:

Giles / WCS / Koufos
Ayton / Skal / ZBo
Hezonja / Jackson / Bonga
Bogdanovich / Hield / Shumpert
Fox / Mason / Temple

Then depending on who does or doesn’t develop at the 3 and point they go hard in Free Agency in 19 when WCS, Koufos, ZBo, Shumpert and Temple frees up $44M in contracts

I would advise against running Ayton at the 4, I don't think that's maximizing his potential. He has a decent mid-range jumper but it doesn't have a lot of range on it at this time either.

Perhaps even considering trading down to 3 for Bagley might be worth considering if you're insistent on Giles starting at the 5. I think Bagley projects strongly as a shooter scorer, he's more suited at the 4 because of his lack of length, and he's much more mobile and able to make plays facing up and on the perimeter off close-outs than Ayton.

Not sure what Atlanta could give you to make it worth your while, but that's an avenue worth considering.

I don’t believe Giles is a 3 point threat either. An uninjured Porter would have been perfect for us as BPA and fit. Jackson might also be interesting but ultimately we take BPA and figure it out.

[skywalker33]

I still hate that Doncic to Suns one, They'd essentially pass on a big in the hope that Bender actually turns out to be something. I think at some point you have to give up and just go with Ayton and then hope you can get decent return for Bender (maybe even package him and see if you can get a young P.G.).

If Kevin Knox falls to 25 we've won the draft hands down, I think he's a borderline lottery talent just cause of what he could be. I'd say if we'd have landed him at 25 its going to be back to back years that we've gotten huge late round steals.

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

[Stillwater]

I still hate that Doncic to Suns one, They'd essentially pass on a big in the hope that Bender actually turns out to be something. I think at some point you have to give up and just go with Ayton and then hope you can get decent return for Bender (maybe even package him and see if you can get a young P.G.).

If Kevin Knox falls to 25 we've won the draft hands down, I think he's a borderline lottery talent just cause of what he could be. I'd say if we'd have landed him at 25 its going to be back to back years that we've gotten huge late round steals.

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

agreed and there are KAT to PHO rumors circulating as well. Doncic would turn the franchise around faster than any of the bigs including Ayton despite Ayton having the higher ceiling albeit not much higher.

[BlueSan]

I still hate that Doncic to Suns one, They'd essentially pass on a big in the hope that Bender actually turns out to be something. I think at some point you have to give up and just go with Ayton and then hope you can get decent return for Bender (maybe even package him and see if you can get a young P.G.).

If Kevin Knox falls to 25 we've won the draft hands down, I think he's a borderline lottery talent just cause of what he could be. I'd say if we'd have landed him at 25 its going to be back to back years that we've gotten huge late round steals.

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

Personally I believe thats a bit nuts...

Clint Capella is a good player, but to offer this guy Max is just ridiculous move imo

[GimmeDat]

BIG BOARD

I've made some adjustments, couple of little lottery shifts, nothing major.
Changes:

Spoiler:

- Moved Heurter up to 18, I'm on that train now but find it hard to squeeze him in to the lottery the way I see things right now.
- Smith down a smidge because of the measurements, moved a couple of guys over Jontay, but still high long term on both
- Okobo up a little, he's one of my favs in the Bulls 2nd pick range
- Robinson down a lot because he's such an unknown and it looks like teams have their red flags up on him.
- Moved Fernando down a little bit, still like his potential but I do tend to reach on projects a bit in general, and considering he has a ways to go, just giving some of the more obvious NBA pieces preference at this time.
- Dropped Wilkes a little bit, again under the same reasoning as with Fernando
- Moved DiVincenzo up a bit, does seem like he will go 1st but find it hard to slot him over some of those fringe 1st guys at this time
- Moved Melton up a bit more, need to make a point of appreciating just how game changing his D can be
- Added Spellman, potential 1st rounder but just doesn't squeeze in again imo
- Added Jerome Robinson, think he's an NBA level scorer but just so many 2's like him in the draft, he's a bit better than most but definitely don't see 1st rounder in him
- Moved Jevon Carter up a bit, he's a pretty sure shot rotation player imo, could even go higher
- Dropped Alkins down a little bit, respect the tools but just not sold on his game at this time
- Gave Preston a bit of stock, really he is a great upside pick in the 2nd round
- Added K.Williams
- Some other minor moves not really worth noting
- Also threw together a 3rd round, order could do with a bit of refinement, just wanted to put some more names out there

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. JJJ
4. Bagley
5. Bamba
6. MPJ
7. Carter
8. Young
9. Mik. Bridges
10. Mil. Bridges
11. Walker Jr.
12. Smith
13. Sexton
14. R.Williams
15. J.Porter
16. SGA
17. Musa
18. Heurter
19. Knox
20. Okobo
21. T.Brown
22. Okogie
23. M.Robinson
24. Hutchison
25. Simons
27. Bates-Diop
28. Evans
20. Fernando
30. Melton

31. Shamet
32. Spellman
33. DiVincenzo
34. Wilkes
35. Thomas
36. Frazier
37. Ponds
38. Milton
39. Trent Jr.
40. Penava
41. Holiday
42. Duval
43. Vanderbilt
44. Konate
45. Brunson
46. Carter
47. Alkins
48. Robinson
49. Bonga
50. Wagner
51. B.Brown
52. Preston
53. Metu
54. K.Williams
55. Battle
56. J.Jackson
57. G.Allen
58. Diallo
59. Newman
60. Trier

Spoiler:

61. Spalding
61. McCoy
62. McDowell-White
63. Bitadze
64. Hands
65. Washington
65. Hall
66. Graham
67. Carr
68. Hervey
69. Maker
70. Mykhailiuk
71. Vick
72. Sanon
73. Hogg
74. Kalaitzakis
75. Wiley
76. Happ
77. Antetekounmpo
78. Clark
79. Azubuike
80. Haas

[BlueSan]

I like you cause you added Spellman hehe

[nykinoz]

I think Vanderbilt will climb to late 1st or early 2nd.

[Sactowndog]

BIG BOARD

I've made some adjustments, couple of little lottery shifts, nothing major.
Changes:

Spoiler:

- Moved Heurter up to 18, I'm on that train now but find it hard to squeeze him in to the lottery the way I see things right now.
- Smith down a smidge because of the measurements, moved a couple of guys over Jontay, but still high long term on both
- Okobo up a little, he's one of my favs in the Bulls 2nd pick range
- Robinson down a lot because he's such an unknown and it looks like teams have their red flags up on him.
- Moved Fernando down a little bit, still like his potential but I do tend to reach on projects a bit in general, and considering he has a ways to go, just giving some of the more obvious NBA pieces preference at this time.
- Dropped Wilkes a little bit, again under the same reasoning as with Fernando
- Moved DiVincenzo up a bit, does seem like he will go 1st but find it hard to slot him over some of those fringe 1st guys at this time
- Moved Melton up a bit more, need to make a point of appreciating just how game changing his D can be
- Added Spellman, potential 1st rounder but just doesn't squeeze in again imo
- Added Jerome Robinson, think he's an NBA level scorer but just so many 2's like him in the draft, he's a bit better than most but definitely don't see 1st rounder in him
- Moved Jevon Carter up a bit, he's a pretty sure shot rotation player imo, could even go higher
- Dropped Alkins down a little bit, respect the tools but just not sold on his game at this time
- Gave Preston a bit of stock, really he is a great upside pick in the 2nd round
- Added K.Williams
- Some other minor moves not really worth noting
- Also threw together a 3rd round, order could do with a bit of refinement, just wanted to put some more names out there

1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. JJJ
4. Bagley
5. Bamba
6. MPJ
7. Carter
8. Young
9. Mik. Bridges
10. Mil. Bridges
11. Walker Jr.
12. Smith
13. Sexton
14. R.Williams
15. J.Porter
16. SGA
17. Musa
18. Heurter
19. Knox
20. Okobo
21. T.Brown
22. Okogie
23. M.Robinson
24. Hutchison
25. Simons
27. Bates-Diop
28. Evans
20. Fernando
30. Melton

31. Shamet
32. Spellman
33. DiVincenzo
34. Wilkes
35. Thomas
36. Frazier
37. Ponds
38. Milton
39. Trent Jr.
40. Penava
41. Holiday
42. Duval
43. Vanderbilt
44. Konate
45. Brunson
46. Carter
47. Alkins
48. Robinson
49. Bonga
50. Wagner
51. B.Brown
52. Preston
53. Metu
54. K.Williams
55. Battle
56. J.Jackson
57. G.Allen
58. Diallo
59. Newman
60. Trier

Spoiler:

61. Spalding
61. McCoy
62. McDowell-White
63. Bitadze
64. Hands
65. Washington
65. Hall
66. Graham
67. Carr
68. Hervey
69. Maker
70. Mykhailiuk
71. Vick
72. Sanon
73. Hogg
74. Kalaitzakis
75. Wiley
76. Happ
77. Antetekounmpo
78. Clark
79. Azubuike
80. Haas

Think Hervey goes higher.

[skywalker33]

I still hate that Doncic to Suns one, They'd essentially pass on a big in the hope that Bender actually turns out to be something. I think at some point you have to give up and just go with Ayton and then hope you can get decent return for Bender (maybe even package him and see if you can get a young P.G.).

If Kevin Knox falls to 25 we've won the draft hands down, I think he's a borderline lottery talent just cause of what he could be. I'd say if we'd have landed him at 25 its going to be back to back years that we've gotten huge late round steals.

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

Personally I believe thats a bit nuts...

Clint Capella is a good player, but to offer this guy Max is just ridiculous move imo

So you think it's infeasible for PHX to want a 24yo starting C for a WCF teams, one of the top 5 centers in the league that's averaging a 14/11 double-double with their cap space when they need a starting C ??? Yeah, probably horse-pucky

[Spens1]

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

Personally I believe thats a bit nuts...

Clint Capella is a good player, but to offer this guy Max is just ridiculous move imo

So you think it's infeasible for PHX to want a 24yo starting C for a WCF teams, one of the top 5 centers in the league that's averaging a 14/11 double-double with their cap space when they need a starting C ??? Yeah, probably horse-pucky

Houston will match though and trade him idk.

[GimmeDat]

Think Hervey goes higher.

That's fair enough, admittedly he's not one of the guys that I've seen a lot of. I won't argue with anyone that thinks he should be drafted, but personally I don't see more than mid to late 2nd material, though. He's long but doesn't block shots, it seems people are trying to sell him as this stretch guy but his 3 point numbers are mediocre to put it nicely.

He's got interesting tools but for a 4 year college player I would want to see a more proven skillset out of him.

[GimmeDat]

I think Vanderbilt will climb to late 1st or early 2nd.

I really like Vanderbilt and would be happy to have him in that range. Monster rebounder and a great defender. I'm really clueless as to what his health situation is and whether he stays in. But some good feedback from workouts and I would happily move him at least to high to mid 30's.

[GimmeDat]

I like you cause you added Spellman hehe

It was about time. Like him a lot, should be able to carve a considerable career as a role player. Given how teams would value a player of his ilk, wouldn't surprise me to see him go 1st round, and quite comfortably at that.

[BlueSan]

I agree

[skywalker33]

Personally I believe thats a bit nuts...

Clint Capella is a good player, but to offer this guy Max is just ridiculous move imo

So you think it's infeasible for PHX to want a 24yo starting C for a WCF teams, one of the top 5 centers in the league that's averaging a 14/11 double-double with their cap space when they need a starting C ??? Yeah, probably horse-pucky

Houston will match though and trade him idk.

Very probable but they also have CP3 and Ariza to sign, kinda interesting to spend another teams money and lock up their cap for a while OR get a nice piece to solve your own issues.

[BlueSan]

If Houston wins a title I dont think Capella will be leaving, so depends on that also imo

[SmokeyPaw]

I still hate that Doncic to Suns one, They'd essentially pass on a big in the hope that Bender actually turns out to be something. I think at some point you have to give up and just go with Ayton and then hope you can get decent return for Bender (maybe even package him and see if you can get a young P.G.).

If Kevin Knox falls to 25 we've won the draft hands down, I think he's a borderline lottery talent just cause of what he could be. I'd say if we'd have landed him at 25 its going to be back to back years that we've gotten huge late round steals.

PHX is reportedly preparing a MAX offer for Clint Capella in FA which could make the Doncic drafting make more sense

Personally I believe thats a bit nuts...

Clint Capella is a good player, but to offer this guy Max is just ridiculous move imo

I like Capella but doesn't warrant a max. Wonder how much of his performance is replicated outside of Houston - he's got Paul and Harden feeding him.