Who should WeHam select at 6? (poll)

[NBAchamps2017]

Is it?

If they are both already on the roster and both raw offence guys drafting another raw offence guy might not be the best idea.

That said I also think we should take the BPA and not just draft for need at this point but to me I don't think any of the raw bigs set to be there at 6 are as good as Trae looks

Yes. It matters because we have no idea how Weltman and Hammond actually view Aaron Gordon. We know they liked Jonathan Issac enough to draft him 6th overall.

The only thing we know for sure about how they feel about Gordon is that they had the opportunity to give him a contract extension before the season and chose not to do it. If they were absolutely certain he was part of the future of the team, that probably would have gotten done, right?

He will be asking $148 Million for 4 years.

[Skybox]

He will be asking $148 Million for 4 years.

I don’t understand why anybody is ruffled by Gordon’s comments about a max. He is an RFA and it’s a tight fiscal year across the league...Another thread here asked the question “if you were the Suns or PHI or whatever other few teams have the cap space...would you offer AG a max deal?”.... I think he’ll get offer sheets but not for a max deal ...also, 4 for $148 sounds wrong, maybe 5 years for $148? ( which he ain’t gettin’).... My only fear is that his agent (who?) could be a rogue nut who loses face after pumping up AG for a max and then somehow manages to brainwash his dopey client into blaming the Magic for his failure to get paid (see Nerlens Noel) and take the one year QO with a messy prolonged weird public divorce (see Dwight Howard) that does his own reputation and the team’s great harm...all because he has no sense of perspective of his real value. Now- to reel it back, I haven’t seen or heard that about AG, so I hope he’s not that stupid. Dwight clearly was- he handled himself like a jackass and permanently wrecked his reputation and legacy in most NBA fans minds. A bad agent can do a lot of harm to players’ careers.

[tiderulz]

Is it?

If they are both already on the roster and both raw offence guys drafting another raw offence guy might not be the best idea.

That said I also think we should take the BPA and not just draft for need at this point but to me I don't think any of the raw bigs set to be there at 6 are as good as Trae looks

Yes. It matters because we have no idea how Weltman and Hammond actually view Aaron Gordon. We know they liked Jonathan Issac enough to draft him 6th overall.

The only thing we know for sure about how they feel about Gordon is that they had the opportunity to give him a contract extension before the season and chose not to do it. If they were absolutely certain he was part of the future of the team, that probably would have gotten done, right?

He will be asking $148 Million for 4 years.

umm, i dont think that is the amount. Maybe for 5 years, but not 4. He isnt eligible for $37mil/yr

[NBAchamps2017]

Yes. It matters because we have no idea how Weltman and Hammond actually view Aaron Gordon. We know they liked Jonathan Issac enough to draft him 6th overall.

The only thing we know for sure about how they feel about Gordon is that they had the opportunity to give him a contract extension before the season and chose not to do it. If they were absolutely certain he was part of the future of the team, that probably would have gotten done, right?

He will be asking $148 Million for 4 years.

umm, i dont think that is the amount. Maybe for 5 years, but not 4. He isnt eligible for $37mil/yr

Sorry you're right $146.5 for 5 (6 years and below in the league)

[NBAchamps2017]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

[Darth Magic]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) + Lopez (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

I'd trade for the 7th pick but not for Carter. It would either be Young or Mikal Bridges

[NBAchamps2017]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) + for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

I'd trade for the 7th pick but not for Carter. It would either be Young or Mikal Bridges

Eye test, I can see Wendell is more of an athlete. Strong and like Gordon a modern PF. He can run, bang, and occasionally hit the 3 ball.

IF Doncic falls to our lap, I will take that as a sign that our franchise is no longer under some sort of a curse!
Rather than match Gordon’s $108.5 Million for 4 years offer sheet (The Kings tried to sign Otto Porter an offer sheet last Summer, they will love to offer Gordon the same), I will offer the money to Carmelo Anthony (he can be cheaper)

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Carmelo. Wendell
Biyombo. Asik. Birch

[Patrick1978]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) + for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

I'd trade for the 7th pick but not for Carter. It would either be Young or Mikal Bridges

Eye test, I can see Wendell is more of an athlete. Strong and like Gordon a modern PF. He can run, bang, and occasionally hit the 3 ball.

IF Doncic falls to our lap, I will take that as a sign that our franchise is no longer under some sort of a curse!
Rather than match Gordon’s $108.5 Million for 4 years offer sheet (The Kings tried to sign Otto Porter an offer sheet), I will offer the money to Carmelo Anthony (he can be cheaper)

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Carmelo. Wendell
Biyombo. Asik. Birch

It is not even sure if doncic come over.
He might as well stay in spain because he doesn t want to play for Orlando

[NBAchamps2017]

I'd trade for the 7th pick but not for Carter. It would either be Young or Mikal Bridges

Eye test, I can see Wendell is more of an athlete. Strong and like Gordon a modern PF. He can run, bang, and occasionally hit the 3 ball.

IF Doncic falls to our lap, I will take that as a sign that our franchise is no longer under some sort of a curse!
Rather than match Gordon’s $108.5 Million for 4 years offer sheet (The Kings tried to sign Otto Porter an offer sheet), I will offer the money to Carmelo Anthony (he can be cheaper)

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Carmelo. Wendell
Biyombo. Asik. Birch

It is not even sure if doncic come over.
He might as well stay in spain because he doesn t want to play for Orlando

Why not? This will be his team. He will run this team the way he want. He goes to Kings (Fox, WCS & Hield), Atlanta
(Schroeder & Bazemore), Grizzlies (Conley, Gasol and Parsons), Dallas (DSJ, Barnes and Matthews)

Orlando will be his team. He will be the face of the franchise! More endorsements! Millions coming! What’s not to like??? I don’t think this will be another ‘Vasquez mess’. If Doncic is professional enough, he will honor his commitment to the NBA when he declares for the draft.

[Patrick1978]

Eye test, I can see Wendell is more of an athlete. Strong and like Gordon a modern PF. He can run, bang, and occasionally hit the 3 ball.

IF Doncic falls to our lap, I will take that as a sign that our franchise is no longer under some sort of a curse!
Rather than match Gordon’s $108.5 Million for 4 years offer sheet (The Kings tried to sign Otto Porter an offer sheet), I will offer the money to Carmelo Anthony (he can be cheaper)

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Carmelo. Wendell
Biyombo. Asik. Birch

It is not even sure if doncic come over.
He might as well stay in spain because he doesn t want to play for Orlando

Why not? This will be his team. He will run this team the way he want. He goes to Kings (Fox, WCS & Hield), Atlanta
(Schroeder & Bazemore), Grizzlies (Conley, Gasol and Parsons), Dallas (DSJ, Barnes and Matthews)

Orlando will be his team. He will be the face of the franchise! More endorsements! Millions coming! What’s not to like??? I don’t think this will be another ‘Vasquez mess’. If Doncic is professional enough, he will honor his commitment to the NBA when he declares for the draft.

May be.
You never know.

Imo i don t think he is available at 6

[NBAchamps2017]

It is not even sure if doncic come over.
He might as well stay in spain because he doesn t want to play for Orlando

Why not? This will be his team. He will run this team the way he want. He goes to Kings (Fox, WCS & Hield), Atlanta
(Schroeder & Bazemore), Grizzlies (Conley, Gasol and Parsons), Dallas (DSJ, Barnes and Matthews)

Orlando will be his team. He will be the face of the franchise! More endorsements! Millions coming! What’s not to like??? I don’t think this will be another ‘Vasquez mess’. If Doncic is professional enough, he will honor his commitment to the NBA when he declares for the draft.

May be.
You never know.

Imo i don t think he is available at 6

True. He can be the No. 1 pick. Now that his former coach is Suns coach. Possible.

[1eyedjake]

I've just gone down a mini-video scouting hole...
The bigs in this class are DAMNED good.
Bagley has such a scorer's touch. His game has a little bit of Barkely to it, with his nose for getting to the rim.
Ayton is a beast. His touch near the rim could be better, but I think he'll be the top pick. Dominant.
Jackson Jr is very impressive.
Bamba has a great head on his shoulders, which gives me a good feeling that he's going to improve where he needs to.

Doncic is obviously extremely skilled and has achieved a lot.

That's a very solid top 5. Team needs aside, that would be the top of the draft, just shuffle the order. Ayton, Doncic, Bagley in some order top 3.

That leaves us possibly with Young or Porter - probably the biggest question marks. Young's release is super quick and his range is impressive but his handle and finish scare me and don't instinctively indicate the ceiling that I'd like to see. D'Angelo Russell is bigger, for instance, but a wobbly handle has been a big weakness and impediment.
I'm hopeful someone from the other group drops to #6, or that Porter's injury is not a permanent issue.

[tiderulz]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

[Nemesis21]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

This

[NBAchamps2017]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

[tiderulz]

Since the teams picking 2-5 is in deeply need of PF and C this might happen.

Kings has Fox (might take Bagley. Randolph is old)
Atlanta has Schroeder (might take Jackson. Muscala, Dedmon really?)
Grizzlies has Conley (might take Porter their SF is paper thin)
Dallas has DSJr (will take Bamba)
Orlando will think 10x but eventually pick Doncic.

Question:
Wendell Carter (7th pick) + Asik (salary dump) for Vuc (expiring after 1 year)+ Ross (expiring after 1 year) + Mack (expiring after 1 year).

Will you do it?

Doncic. Augustin. Grayson
Fournier. Hezonja. Diallo
Simmons. Isaac. Iwundu
Gordon. Wendell (insurance IF Magic will not match offer sheet)
Asik. Biyombo. Birch

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

I can do this too.

Mikal Bridges = Kawhi Leonard/Klay Thompson

Mikal a much better offensive player than Iwundu ever was or considered to be. in fact, Bridges better offensively coming out of college than Kawhi. Bridges compares with Klay Thompson coming out of college

[NBAchamps2017]

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

I can do this too.

Mikal Bridges = Kawhi Leonard/Klay Thompson

Mikal a much better offensive player than Iwundu ever was or considered to be. in fact, Bridges better offensively coming out of college than Kawhi. Bridges compares with Klay Thompson coming out of college

Silver: With the First pick in the 2018 NBA Draft, the Phoenix Suns select....drum roll........

Spoiler:

Mikal Bridges (Kawhi Leonard/Klay Thompson)..

[Nyce_1]

People claming we should select Bamba haha. Definitely, we cant learn from our mistakes.

Trae Young or nothing.

Offensive first players, thanks. No more Gordons, No more Isaacs, NO more Paytons. After six years of rebuilding we dont have nothing to build around. I think it is time to change the way we select players.

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

Would you say Gordon was a defensive specialist out of school? I think he's developed into a 2-way player.

Bamba has potential to be an amazing rim protector, and I also think he has the ability to be productive on offense by spacing the floor. that's rare.

[BadMofoPimp]

would you trade #6 + Biyombo for cap space next summer? the answer is of course not.

but in the unlikely event the above happened, you take Mikal Bridges to go along with Doncic and never look back

Mikal Bridges = Wesley Iwundu
Wendell Carter = Julius Randle

I can do this too.

Mikal Bridges = Kawhi Leonard/Klay Thompson

Mikal a much better offensive player than Iwundu ever was or considered to be. in fact, Bridges better offensively coming out of college than Kawhi. Bridges compares with Klay Thompson coming out of college

I don't think we have ever witnessed one of these fantastic player comparisons ever happen. More likely than not, they end up being much less.

[zaymon]

is that due to picking bad players or not having consistency and a successful environment to develop them?

and you shouldn't judge Isaac after only 27 games.

Tell me how many one way defensive specialists taken in the top 10 of the draft are now developed into successful two way players? Even Oladipo dont qualifies becouse he was skilled enough to play pg.

Would you say Gordon was a defensive specialist out of school? I think he's developed into a 2-way player.

Bamba has potential to be an amazing rim protector, and I also think he has the ability to be productive on offense by spacing the floor. that's rare.

Well i agree that he was viewed as a defensive specialist, but i dont view him as a two way player now. I am one of the biggest AG doubters here so i think other people can agree with you.