2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

Post #1 » by **fleet** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:41 am

Dominater wrote:

Red Larrivee · Post #2 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:43 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:If you guys like imaginary Per 40 minutes, just wait until you extrapolate that into more imaginary minutes into a Per 48. Why stop at 40 in college, when there's 48 minutes in the NBA. JJJ and Carters Per 48 numbers are ridiculous.

Good stuff. Sound logic happening here.

It explains the rate at which players produce. It's not literally meant to imagine someone playing an entire college game.

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Their stats per game actually explain the rate at which they produce. Per numbers are used to make fans feel better about their favorite players, throwing things like fatigue, foul rates, and defensive adjustments completely out the window.

No it doesn't. Per 36/40 evens the field and looks at the rate you produce. It shows you that just because a player averaged 17 points in 35 minutes, doesn't mean he produced at a higher rate than someone who average 8 in 12 minutes.

It doesn't ignore foul rate at all. Jackson averages 6 fouls per 40. That's why he didn't play more minutes.

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Chitownbulls · Post #3 » by **Chitownbulls** » Tue May 22, 2018 12:22 pm

If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #4 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Tue May 22, 2018 12:40 pm

basketballinsiders has Kevin Huerter mocked to GS.

That's torture I tell you. Torture!

NecessaryEvil · Post #5 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Tue May 22, 2018 12:49 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.

wonderboy2 · Post #6 » by **wonderboy2** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:07 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

Man we need to hope one of Bamba or MPJ falls to 7. I don’t hate Young though. Idc what anybody say this is a good year to be in the top 10. Carter, Young, and both Bridges can definitely help your team. Bulls fans need to stop worrying about getting a franchise talent and just focus on building. The bulls are in posistion to get a good player in this draft to plug in with Dunn-Lavine- Markannan.

TheFinishSniper · Post #7 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:09 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.

People fall in love with athleticism, wingspan and size during draft workouts. Trae Young posseses neither. There is no worse time to be Trae Young than it's today and next whole month.

NecessaryEvil · Post #8 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:12 pm

TheFinishSniper wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.

People fall in love with athleticism, wingspan and size during draft workouts. Trae Young posseses neither. There is no worse time to be Trae Young than it's today and next whole month.

And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

TheFinishSniper · Post #9 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:14 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:

And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

That speaks about him. He still due those things and age projected top 8 prospect. He is ultimate boom or bust player. He will either succeed with just those or not because has nothing else to rely on.

Axolotl · Post #10 » by **Axolotl** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:23 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young.

I've been saying this for... I don't even remember how long. When I first posted that I was warming up to Trae, most replies wanted nothing to do with him. I think we were projected to pick higher then, though.

I still think that at #7 we take whoever of the top seven is available, and if there is an opportunity to trade up for Doncic or JJJ without giving up on future picks or Markkanen, that trade is worth at least a serious consideration.

I'd be fine with, say #7, #22, Portis for Doncic @ #4, Parsons, #32.

samwana · Post #11 » by **samwana** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:31 pm

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trae-young--adam-morrison--stephen-curry--jimmer-fredette

comparison between Curry, Young, Fredette and Morison just because.
I think it all depends on what is between the ears. If Young is someone you can plug in a team and he plays a team game, he will be fine. Since he has a really high assist rate, and that with the inferior teammates he had, I could see him translate. Yeah I think I would take a chance on him. Or at least hype him up to take advantage of someone below us.

DorO · Post #12 » by **DorO** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:36 pm

Wish list Doncic, Young, 3J, Bridges/Smith.
Please no Ayton, Porter, Bamba, Carter though most of them probably will be drafted very high according to hype.
I admit not understanding bb if Young is not drafted in top 5.

Red Larrivee · Post #13 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:41 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

I wouldn't say discounted. It's clear he's a really talented shooter and has advanced court vision at his age. Young's biggest problems are how his physical limitations will translate and how useless he's going to be defensively. Kemba Walker has similar limitations but has still been a good NBA player (even though he's better defensively).

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TheSuzerain · Post #14 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:44 pm

TheFinishSniper wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:

And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

That speaks about him. He still due those things and age projected top 8 prospect. He is ultimate boom or bust player. He will either succeed with just those or not because has nothing else to rely on.

He's not boom or bust. There are plenty of small guards that get run in the NBA today. Nearly all of them were far worse than Trae this past season.

Other than Doncic, he's the safest bet there is to be a plus player offensively.

leo921 · Post #15 » by **leo921** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:47 pm

Wendell Carter: Carter is the most versatile big in the class as he projects to do everything well at the next level. He’s not as fluid of a shooter and ball-handler as Jontay, but his mechanics are my second favorite in this class of bigs. He’s a little clunky as a dribbler but is coordinated and controlled. Most imperatively, Carter can make quick decisions with the ball, while also being able to capitalize on mismatches in the post. Carter’s all-around play paired with just above average athleticism earns him “high floor low ceiling” tabs, but it’s these kinds of versatile playmakers with high IQ and non eye-popping athleticism that draft connoisseurs are likely to underrate.

From Stepien

Lauri_Legend · Post #16 » by **Lauri_Legend** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:58 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

I don't understand the hate on Trae Young. Maybe his defense is horrendous. But I think it's pretty clear his game can/will transition to the NBA in this era.

Lauri_Legend · Post #17 » by **Lauri_Legend** » Tue May 22, 2018 1:59 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

I wouldn't say discounted. It's clear he's a really talented shooter and has advanced court vision at his age. Young's biggest problems are how his physical limitations will translate and how useless he's going to be defensively. Kemba Walker has similar limitations but has still been a good NBA player (even though he's better defensively).

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And if you can grab a Kemba type talent at #7, you do it. Assuming Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, MPJ, and Bamba aren't there.

holv03 · Post #18 » by **holv03** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:22 pm

Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.

NecessaryEvil · Post #19 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:28 pm

holv03 wrote:Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.

Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.

holv03 · Post #20 » by **holv03** » Tue May 22, 2018 2:49 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
holv03 wrote:Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.

Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.

He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.

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