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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#21 » by Hangtime84 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:50 pm

holv03 wrote:Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.

top 15. I think he'll be there for clippers to take if they want.

I think Chicago was hoping the Pelicans didn't make the playoffs so they'd have another lotto pick.

They might be able to do so if they give Denver some flexibility and a young asset.

Sounds like a nice gamble if i'm the clippers
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#22 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue May 22, 2018 2:51 pm

holv03 wrote:
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holv03 wrote:Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.


Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.


He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.


Any word as to why he’s rising?
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#23 » by thewraith » Tue May 22, 2018 2:55 pm

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Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.


I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.
More fans will be on board if he becomes a star and rewrite history just like Steph lol. If we were in the same situation when Steph was coming out folks would say the same thing and act like they never did when he turned out to be the Steph we know now. All people have to do is check the pre draft critiques of Curry.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#24 » by Truebiscuit » Tue May 22, 2018 3:04 pm

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TheFinishSniper wrote:
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I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.

People fall in love with athleticism, wingspan and size during draft workouts. Trae Young posseses neither. There is no worse time to be Trae Young than it's today and next whole month.


And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.


I could see a role for Trae Young on this team, but drafting a player #7 overall, do you want him to be your 6th man? I suppose at the end of the day minutes are minutes, but I don't know how you pair him with Kris Dunn.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#25 » by TheSuzerain » Tue May 22, 2018 3:05 pm

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holv03 wrote:
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Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.


He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.


Any word as to why he’s rising?

We're further removed from his **** play on an actual basketball court.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#26 » by MrSparkle » Tue May 22, 2018 3:09 pm

Just a hunch, but maybe Doncic goes #1 or is part of a swap between the top-3, as some teams (i.e. PHX) might be posturing to hurt his value for a trade + assets.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#27 » by patryk7754 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:11 pm

I think we need to try and get Dnoncic. According to rumors, the Kings and Hawks prefer other players over Luka. The Suns might want Ayton to run with Booker and Jackson. Memphis seems winning to give up the 4th of the right price. Ultimately, I think we will have to give up both our picks and maybe two players. I'm willing to part ways with Holiday, Portis, 7th, and 22nd

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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#28 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue May 22, 2018 3:12 pm

Truebiscuit wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
TheFinishSniper wrote:People fall in love with athleticism, wingspan and size during draft workouts. Trae Young posseses neither. There is no worse time to be Trae Young than it's today and next whole month.


And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.


I could see a role for Trae Young on this team, but drafting a player #7 overall, do you want him to be your 6th man? I suppose at the end of the day minutes are minutes, but I don't know how you pair him with Kris Dunn.


I don't know, but I couldn't pass up on him either.

This guy may wind up an elite shooter, playmaker & ball handler. That's alot to pass on.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#29 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue May 22, 2018 3:14 pm

patryk7754 wrote:I think we need to try and get Dnoncic. According to rumors, the Kings and Hawks prefer other players over Luka. The Suns might want Ayton to run with Booker and Jackson. Memphis seems winning to give up the 4th of the right price. Ultimately, I think we will have to give up both our picks and maybe two players. I'm willing to part ways with Holiday, Portis, 7th, and 22nd

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Doncic
Lauri
Lopez


That's wayyy too much. It would be different if you were giving all that up for a sure thing, like a Kevin Durant or something. 4 assets just to move up a few spots?

Be happy with who we'll likely get and don't get robbed, because THAT's robbery. This could be a Rudy Fernandez situation all over again and I LIKE Doncic alot.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#30 » by MGB8 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:14 pm

samwana wrote:http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trae-young--adam-morrison--stephen-curry--jimmer-fredette

comparison between Curry, Young, Fredette and Morison just because.
I think it all depends on what is between the ears. If Young is someone you can plug in a team and he plays a team game, he will be fine. Since he has a really high assist rate, and that with the inferior teammates he had, I could see him translate. Yeah I think I would take a chance on him. Or at least hype him up to take advantage of someone below us.


Jimmer is the scary name up there. He was an unreal scorer in college, and his 4.4 assists per game weren't chump change, either. Jimmer was a quarter inch taller, more or less same wingspan and reach. Now, he was more an undersized 2 than a point guard - but he completely flopped in the NBA.

That's the fear with Young - that despite his 8.8 assists per game (coupled with a rather high 5.3 turnovers per game) - he's more Jimmer (or a Trey Burke, though he looked like he had figured some stuff out last season as a reserve) or maybe Bobby Hurley or Mateen Cleaves than a guy like a Nash.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#31 » by TheSuzerain » Tue May 22, 2018 3:18 pm

MGB8 wrote:
samwana wrote:http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trae-young--adam-morrison--stephen-curry--jimmer-fredette

comparison between Curry, Young, Fredette and Morison just because.
I think it all depends on what is between the ears. If Young is someone you can plug in a team and he plays a team game, he will be fine. Since he has a really high assist rate, and that with the inferior teammates he had, I could see him translate. Yeah I think I would take a chance on him. Or at least hype him up to take advantage of someone below us.


Jimmer is the scary name up there. He was an unreal scorer in college, and his 4.4 assists per game weren't chump change, either. Jimmer was a quarter inch taller, more or less same wingspan and reach. Now, he was more an undersized 2 than a point guard - but he completely flopped in the NBA.

That's the fear with Young - that despite his 8.8 assists per game (coupled with a rather high 5.3 turnovers per game) - he's more Jimmer (or a Trey Burke, though he looked like he had figured some stuff out last season as a reserve) or maybe Bobby Hurley or Mateen Cleaves than a guy like a Nash.

The Jimmer comp is another bizarre one. You need to watch Young play for like 15 minutes to realize "yeah, that's a dumb comparison".

If you're going to make a critical comparison for Trae, it should be someone like Chris Jackson.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#32 » by holv03 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:18 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
holv03 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.


He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.


Any word as to why he’s rising?


He's having very good workouts. Teams like his athleticism, length, has shown a good shot, good handles and has been very aggressive. He's also one of the youngest players in the draft at 18 years old.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#33 » by samwana » Tue May 22, 2018 3:19 pm

holv03 wrote:Kevin Knox is a player that is rising.


I get the feeling that this draft is going to be very interesting to the moment the picks are made. This could be the draft where mocks get shattered by even the first or second pick.
Time to be excited and get more and more excited right up to the draft.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#34 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue May 22, 2018 3:21 pm

MGB8 wrote:
samwana wrote:http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trae-young--adam-morrison--stephen-curry--jimmer-fredette

comparison between Curry, Young, Fredette and Morison just because.
I think it all depends on what is between the ears. If Young is someone you can plug in a team and he plays a team game, he will be fine. Since he has a really high assist rate, and that with the inferior teammates he had, I could see him translate. Yeah I think I would take a chance on him. Or at least hype him up to take advantage of someone below us.


Jimmer is the scary name up there. He was an unreal scorer in college, and his 4.4 assists per game weren't chump change, either. Jimmer was a quarter inch taller, more or less same wingspan and reach. Now, he was more an undersized 2 than a point guard - but he completely flopped in the NBA.

That's the fear with Young - that despite his 8.8 assists per game (coupled with a rather high 5.3 turnovers per game) - he's more Jimmer (or a Trey Burke, though he looked like he had figured some stuff out last season as a reserve) or maybe Bobby Hurley or Mateen Cleaves than a guy like a Nash.


Jimmer was a senior playing in the WCC. Bobby Hurley and Mateen Cleaves were also four year players.

Young was a freshman playing in the Big 12, the toughest conference in basketball this season.

Not sure I see much of a comparison.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#35 » by Hangtime84 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:21 pm

holv03 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
holv03 wrote:
He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.


Any word as to why he’s rising?


He's having very good workouts. Teams like his athleticism, length, has shown a good shot, good handles and has been very aggressive. He's also one of the youngest players in the draft at 18 years old.


But in game environments looked like Tony Snell :(

Remember Tony Snell during summer league?
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#36 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Tue May 22, 2018 3:21 pm

holv03 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
holv03 wrote:
He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.


Any word as to why he’s rising?


He's having very good workouts. Teams like his athleticism, length, has shown a good shot, good handles and has been very aggressive. He's also one of the youngest players in the draft at 18 years old.


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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#37 » by thewraith » Tue May 22, 2018 3:24 pm

MGB8 wrote:
samwana wrote:http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trae-young--adam-morrison--stephen-curry--jimmer-fredette

comparison between Curry, Young, Fredette and Morison just because.
I think it all depends on what is between the ears. If Young is someone you can plug in a team and he plays a team game, he will be fine. Since he has a really high assist rate, and that with the inferior teammates he had, I could see him translate. Yeah I think I would take a chance on him. Or at least hype him up to take advantage of someone below us.


Jimmer is the scary name up there. He was an unreal scorer in college, and his 4.4 assists per game weren't chump change, either. Jimmer was a quarter inch taller, more or less same wingspan and reach. Now, he was more an undersized 2 than a point guard - but he completely flopped in the NBA.

That's the fear with Young - that despite his 8.8 assists per game (coupled with a rather high 5.3 turnovers per game) - he's more Jimmer (or a Trey Burke, though he looked like he had figured some stuff out last season as a reserve) or maybe Bobby Hurley or Mateen Cleaves than a guy like a Nash.
Look at it like this you can put a scary name with any player and whether you like them or not decided if you put stock into it. I could say Bamba is Thabeet but because people almost always get duped by height will say I'm crazy. To me its just a matter of who you like and don't like as far as who you put stock in their comps good/bad.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#38 » by holv03 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:26 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
holv03 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
Any word as to why he’s rising?


He's having very good workouts. Teams like his athleticism, length, has shown a good shot, good handles and has been very aggressive. He's also one of the youngest players in the draft at 18 years old.


But in game environments looked like Tony Snell :(

Remember Tony Snell during summer league?


Looks nothing like Tony Snell. Snell wished he was as fast and athletic as Knox.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#39 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue May 22, 2018 3:30 pm

I was one of the posters (maybe the only) that advocated taking Knox with our pick, even when it was sitting at 8. This was before I knew much about the other prospects but this guy is going to be a really good NBA player. Maybe even the steal of the draft.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#40 » by patryk7754 » Tue May 22, 2018 3:43 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:I think we need to try and get Dnoncic. According to rumors, the Kings and Hawks prefer other players over Luka. The Suns might want Ayton to run with Booker and Jackson. Memphis seems winning to give up the 4th of the right price. Ultimately, I think we will have to give up both our picks and maybe two players. I'm willing to part ways with Holiday, Portis, 7th, and 22nd

Dunn
Lavine
Doncic
Lauri
Lopez


That's wayyy too much. It would be different if you were giving all that up for a sure thing, like a Kevin Durant or something. 4 assets just to move up a few spots?

Be happy with who we'll likely get and don't get robbed, because THAT's robbery. This could be a Rudy Fernandez situation all over again and I LIKE Doncic alot.

it might be more than usual but I don't think it's too much. Its two role players and like you said, two unsure things. And if Doncic is there, I don't think it gets more sure than that.

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