Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations

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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#41 » by Zion Wembanyama » Fri May 18, 2018 3:27 am

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This simply isn't reasonable... someone with the 15th-18th pick is going to basically have to spend their whole Saturday evening at the computer in case a couple of picks go quick. If everything goes long... with 15 minute windows the first round will take.. 7 1/2 hours? Are we really expecting people to be picking at #30 at 1am EST?

I find this to be more un-reasonable than last year.


Which is why everyone has had the opportunity to send a list, for several days now, and I've only received a few...


Most of us are still working deals, which would significantly alter our choices if made... so most of us simply aren't in a position to lock down our top 10, because depending on where we pick, that list may not be relevant.


30 mins for rd1
15 mins for rd2

Is this something most of you want?
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#42 » by TheNetsFan » Fri May 18, 2018 3:49 am

Super Powered wrote:
Soulyss wrote:
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Which is why everyone has had the opportunity to send a list, for several days now, and I've only received a few...


Most of us are still working deals, which would significantly alter our choices if made... so most of us simply aren't in a position to lock down our top 10, because depending on where we pick, that list may not be relevant.


30 mins for rd1
15 mins for rd2

Is this something most of you want?

I care less about duration & more about fixed time slots. If someone makes a pick in 2 minutes, the clock shouldn't start on the next team right away, otherwise teams deeper into the draft have to monitor continuously.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#43 » by Zion Wembanyama » Fri May 18, 2018 5:00 am

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Most of us are still working deals, which would significantly alter our choices if made... so most of us simply aren't in a position to lock down our top 10, because depending on where we pick, that list may not be relevant.


30 mins for rd1
15 mins for rd2

Is this something most of you want?

I care less about duration & more about fixed time slots. If someone makes a pick in 2 minutes, the clock shouldn't start on the next team right away, otherwise teams deeper into the draft have to monitor continuously.


Yeah, each slot would get the full time before the clock starts for the next gm. So let's say the #1 pick is on the clock at 12PM and picks at 12:05PM. The #2 pick wouldn't be on the clock for another 25 minutes at 12:30PM.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#44 » by TheNetsFan » Tue May 22, 2018 4:54 pm

How are buyouts working? The average buyout is typically around 70% of the remaining contract, when a player wants to get bought out (to play elsewhere or retire w/o giving up all of the money). The more a player wants out, the more he usually gives up, e.g. The Nets bought out Deron Williams for 63% of his remaining deal, while waiving all offset rights.

Are we assuming buyouts are at 100%, the average 70%, negotiated with a commissioner or some overly conservative middle ground?
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#45 » by LuessiT » Tue May 22, 2018 6:34 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:How are buyouts working? The average buyout is typically around 70% of the remaining contract, when a player wants to get bought out (to play elsewhere or retire w/o giving up all of the money). The more a player wants out, the more he usually gives up, e.g. The Nets bought out Deron Williams for 63% of his remaining deal, while waiving all offset rights.

Are we assuming buyouts are at 100%, the average 70%, negotiated with a commissioner or some overly conservative middle ground?


I think assuming 70% is fine for most players that won't be out of the league. Asking players like Singler for a 30% paycut on the other hand seems unreasonable.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#46 » by kalenclayton » Tue May 22, 2018 6:39 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:How are buyouts working? The average buyout is typically around 70% of the remaining contract, when a player wants to get bought out (to play elsewhere or retire w/o giving up all of the money). The more a player wants out, the more he usually gives up, e.g. The Nets bought out Deron Williams for 63% of his remaining deal, while waiving all offset rights.

Are we assuming buyouts are at 100%, the average 70%, negotiated with a commissioner or some overly conservative middle ground?

I’m assuming that either the FA commissioner or someone else will have to handle the other side of the buyout. It would probably have to be a negotiation.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#47 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Tue May 22, 2018 6:43 pm

So can we hold off on signing 2nd rounders until after FA in order to maintain space? I know that we don’t have to sign them right away.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#48 » by kalenclayton » Tue May 22, 2018 6:48 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:So can we hold off on signing 2nd rounders until after FA in order to maintain space? I know that we don’t have to sign them right away.

Technically yes. They are draft rights for the time being.
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#49 » by aramada » Tue May 22, 2018 6:49 pm

Guys, just a reminder, not targeted at anyone in particular. The goal of this game is to stay as realistic as possible, not just legal. So if you traded a player with the intention (or even willingness) to flip all or a large numbers of the players you got in return, it may be legal, but it's not very realistic. That's the type of stuff players remember when FA hits - how is the team going to treat the contracts/players it has on its books?
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Re: Mock Off-Season 2018: Rules & Regulations 

Post#50 » by TheNetsFan » Tue May 22, 2018 7:28 pm

LuessiT wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:How are buyouts working? The average buyout is typically around 70% of the remaining contract, when a player wants to get bought out (to play elsewhere or retire w/o giving up all of the money). The more a player wants out, the more he usually gives up, e.g. The Nets bought out Deron Williams for 63% of his remaining deal, while waiving all offset rights.

Are we assuming buyouts are at 100%, the average 70%, negotiated with a commissioner or some overly conservative middle ground?


I think assuming 70% is fine for most players that won't be out of the league. Asking players like Singler for a 30% paycut on the other hand seems unreasonable.

Even for those on their way out of the league voluntarily , e.g. retirement (wants a paycheck, but doesn't want to practice, travel, etc.), return to Europe (foreign born players mostly), etc., it's not far off. After all, a vet minimum contract can easily be over $2mil. The exception would be a Chris bosh type of situation where he clearly would prefer to keep playing & is forced out by the team's medical staff & his career is done, or there is bad blood (Noah). In that situation, the player sometimes won't give anything up. The team would retain offset rights in that situation though.

Mozgov is a prime example. His minimum alone would be about $2.3mil or about 14.4% if his salary if he continued in the NBA. Although there has been chatter that he may not mind moving back to Russia if/when bought out.

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