Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 4

Bernman · Post #1821 » by **Bernman** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:28 pm

REDDzone wrote:How can you possibly argue that having a ref step in and save a fighter who can't stand up by himself leads us to the "true outcome". Even you seem to have not argued this in the past, with your qualifiers of "factoring in entertainment" and "in the time frame allotted under these specific rules", etc.

Yeah, the key there is the artificial time frame stipulation. If the fight lasts for hours in an open field with nobody watching, the guy on bottom can get up after while and turn the tables, provided he's not too exhausted. Use your top position to incapacitate your opponent or make him not want anymore.

High 5 · Post #1822 » by **High 5** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:29 pm

REDDzone wrote:
High 5 wrote:If the fighter on bottom is able to neutralize the fighter on top and "stall" for a certain amount of time then why shouldn't they be rewarded with a standup? The responsibility to keep the fight on the ground should be on the fighter who wants the fight there. If they can't do anything then that's their problem.

Because this is fighting.

Being able to stand up when someone is trying to keep you down = fighting. An actual skill that fighters practice and learn to implement in combat situations.

Pretending to be outraged because a guy in all black isn't sweeping in and artificially interfering in the fight in order to do for you what you can't do for yourself = not fighting.

Seems like a double standard to me. Holding a guy down is a skill, but neutralizing the top fighter isn't? If you're locked up by the bottom fighter and aren't able to mount any offense then the fight should be stood up. IMO

Jasen777 · Post #1823 » by **Jasen777** » Tue May 22, 2018 4:36 pm

High 5 wrote:Seems like a double standard to me. Holding a guy down is a skill, but neutralizing the top fighter isn't?

They'e both skills, but one is rewarded by reffing and the other is punished.

REDDzone · Post #1824 » by **REDDzone** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:44 pm

High 5 wrote:
REDDzone wrote:
High 5 wrote:If the fighter on bottom is able to neutralize the fighter on top and "stall" for a certain amount of time then why shouldn't they be rewarded with a standup? The responsibility to keep the fight on the ground should be on the fighter who wants the fight there. If they can't do anything then that's their problem.

Because this is fighting.

Being able to stand up when someone is trying to keep you down = fighting. An actual skill that fighters practice and learn to implement in combat situations.

Pretending to be outraged because a guy in all black isn't sweeping in and artificially interfering in the fight in order to do for you what you can't do for yourself = not fighting.

Seems like a double standard to me. Holding a guy down is a skill, but neutralizing the top fighter isn't? If you're locked up by the bottom fighter and aren't able to mount any offense then the fight should be stood up. IMO

Neutralizing a top fighter is absolutely a skill, its a fundamental skill actually. But then you need to kick off the hips and do a technical standup, or take it a step further and create angles after breaking posture in order to sweep or submit, or drop bows from the bottom to damage your opponent. Don't just hang on for dear life and then look to the ref begging them to stand you up a la Paul Daley or Conor McGregor.

REDDzone · Post #1825 » by **REDDzone** » Tue May 22, 2018 6:47 pm

Bernman wrote:The fighter on top just remaining sticky is hoping the ref will step in to tell them the round/fight is over so the bad man won't be a danger to them anymore. I guess if there were no time limits and money, ref intervention at some point wouldn't be necessary. But there are.

LOL come on dude did you just play the WRESTLERS ARE SCARED TO BANG WITH BROS, SO NEED TO SHOOT FOR TAKEDOWNS card? What is this? The 80s? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're trolling me.

Jasen777 · Post #1826 » by **Jasen777** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:01 pm

Jasen777 wrote:Oleynik / Werdum for the Moscow card.

..and Werdum has been flagged by USADA.

REDDzone · Post #1827 » by **REDDzone** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:53 pm

Listen to Daley's interview on MMAHour from Monday, it exemplifies the EXACT attitude that I am arguing against. He says he prefers a certain referee and when it was Herzog that got assigned to the bout, he knew that he wasn't just fighting against Fitch, he was fighting against Fitch and the ref because the ref wasn't going to stand them up. Like what kind of mindset is that to have? You are a fighter and you think to yourself that you are at a disadvantage going into a fight because you doubt the ref is going to provide you the artificial interference that you need to help you win the fight. Do you think he even bothers to train defensive wrestling? Or is every bout just a referee roulette game for him?

As usual, listen to the interview on your phone and come to your own conclusions. I'm not reading his quotes here, I'm interpreting what he's saying as I listen at 1.75 speed. But to me this exemplifies the issue with the system.

REDDzone · Post #1828 » by **REDDzone** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:55 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:Oleynik / Werdum for the Moscow card.

..and Werdum has been flagged by USADA.

Wow, huge. I feel like there have been enough false flags lately that I will wait to hear the whole story but this is a big one. Werdum had never popped as far as I'm aware, although it never surprises me when a jiu jitsu guy pops, its just so prevalent in that culture.

Bernman · Post #1829 » by **Bernman** » Tue May 22, 2018 11:52 pm

Bellator isn't the only one with an anniversary event. AXS Fights is having their 400th show so they beefed up their LFA card too. Kevin Aguilar vs. Thanh Le could be a co-main on a UFC on FX right now. The two most overlooked prospects by UFC right now. Well-rounded good boxer in Aguilar vs. dynamite kickboxer who is strong to help him thwart td's in Le. Sucks somebody has to lose that fight and suffer a setback. Brahimaj could be the next Khabib/Lee high pressure, level changing, quick transition dominator. Damon Jackson is on his way back to the UFC soon, always brings it. Faces Jeremy Spoon who only clearly loses to top guys. Should be fun. UFC may have the 3rd most interesting card this weekend.

Post #1830 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed May 23, 2018 9:39 pm

GSP is on Rogan right now. The dude is looking pretty thin (in a good way). And just a side note, GSP is just by far my favorite fighter, love him in the cage and love his personality. Him talking about the Diaz brothers is hilarious.

Post #1831 » by **Headliner** » Wed May 23, 2018 9:47 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:GSP is on Rogan right now. The dude is looking pretty thin (in a good way). And just a side note, GSP is just by far my favorite fighter, love him in the cage and love his personality. Him talking about the Diaz brothers is hilarious.

He’s such an intelligent fighter, and always humble and honest. I have a lot of respect for him.

A legendary career, it’ll be amazing if he can go out and capture the 155 belt. I personally would love to see him do two fights to end his career. Khabib for the title, and Conor for the event.

Post #1832 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed May 23, 2018 9:57 pm

Headliner wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:GSP is on Rogan right now. The dude is looking pretty thin (in a good way). And just a side note, GSP is just by far my favorite fighter, love him in the cage and love his personality. Him talking about the Diaz brothers is hilarious.

He’s such an intelligent fighter, and always humble and honest. I have a lot of respect for him.

A legendary career, it’ll be amazing if he can go out and capture the 155 belt. I personally would love to see him do two fights to end his career. Khabib for the title, and Conor for the event.

Ya this dude was able to sell 700-1.2 mil ppv buys as the main event for 5 some on years. He was able to be a huge sell while never having any negative stories on him and while being super humble. I mean for god sakes probably one of the meanest trash talk things he ever said was "I was not impressed by your performance" haha.

And ya if he can top off his career by getting the 155 belt and if he can do it while beating Khabib and Conor (I think he would own Conor), I think you could basically put it in stone of him being the GOAT.

Post #1833 » by **Headliner** » Thu May 24, 2018 1:27 am

Great interview.
Really interesting, he mentioned he hasn’t signed a fight yet and won’t until all the symptoms of his colitis are gone. Health comes first.
After that it seems like 155 is key.

cowboyronnie · Post #1834 » by **cowboyronnie** » Thu May 24, 2018 2:32 am

I heard on Tumblr he was trying to fight BJ Penn a 4th time or Royce Gracie or something.

Even if that's a total fabrication that I just made up, I wouldn't be surprised. You know.

Jasen777 · Post #1835 » by **Jasen777** » Thu May 24, 2018 2:36 am

cowboyronnie wrote:I heard on Tumblr he was trying to fight BJ Penn a 4th time or Royce Gracie or something.

Even if that's a total fabrication that I just made up, I wouldn't be surprised. You know.

I heard a tag team match GSP/Rory vs. Woodley/Askren.

Susan · Post #1836 » by **Susan** » Thu May 24, 2018 4:06 am

Watch on YouTube

Greatest to ever do it.

Love how pumped up he got at the end of this.

Post #1837 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu May 24, 2018 6:57 am

That's one of the best JRE podcasts ever. I didn't think GSP had this much personality. He was always so 'professional' with his interview/press conference answers and never really showed much personality. Even his first sit down with JRE was a bit odd but I didn't feel like he showed much. I always thought he was a bit awkward but he's actually really funny, really personable and really introspective. I think GSP is right with regards to his much improved English and now he's better able to project his true personality. The guy is so humble, so cool, down to earth and all around good guy.

I could probably listen to this again

Post #1838 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu May 24, 2018 7:21 am

If GSP makes 155 in even reasonably good condition, he’s going to destroy Conor. I think he’ll **** Khabib up pretty good too. I don’t think he can make the weight reasonably, but I don’t think either of them can win without him being a complete shell of himself. He’s a nightmare matchup for both guys in different ways. If I’m wrong and he can make it, they are screwed, lol.

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Post #1839 » by **Headliner** » Thu May 24, 2018 11:16 am

When Conor or Khabib was brought up he didn't jump on those as sure things. He's smarter than that of course, because it diminishes his negotiating leverage if Dana knows he wants those fights. However he also brought up the idea of someone returning or someone that appears unstoppable and fighting them. Not sure what or who he was speaking about there, but thought it was interesting.

Post #1840 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu May 24, 2018 12:26 pm

I don’t think there is anyone that he would/could reasonably fight that is a tougher matchup for him than Woodley, and I’d still favor GSP. You basically have to throw him in there with someone that dwarfs him size wise to make him an underdog, someone like Romero or something.

Maybe he meant Askren though?

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