2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

ImSlower · Post #81 » by **ImSlower** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:03 pm

I really dislike the crap out of Dunn at the 1, so I've kind of warmed to Young, who was my least favorite of the top 9 guys most of this year. If it's true as several are saying, that he chucked more than his natural passing simply because his teammates were such garbo last year, he could be a great fit.

I think I will sell myself into being happy with just about any of the likely guys.

ATRAIN53 · Post #82 » by **ATRAIN53** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:08 pm

Pics from Pre-Draft workouts posted by Bulls!

https://www.nba.com/bulls/gallery/pre-draft-workouts-052118

So we worked these guys out:

Allonzo Trier AZ
Brandon McCoy UNLV (from Chicago)
Bruce Brown MIA
Brain Bowen II SC
Devonte Graham KU
Hamidu Diallo UK
Kenrich Williams TCU (senior)
Moritz Wagner MI
Shake Milton SMU
Anfernee Simmons
SVI Mykuliak KU
Tony Carr PSU

No lottery guys, No Chandler Hurtchinson in pics.
Maybe those were private?

I see a a lot of guards and a lot of guys that they may be looking at for G League deals after the draft.

Could they be reaching for Wagner at 22? :banghead:

Diallo, Milton and Graham also not projected in 1st.

Truebiscuit · Post #83 » by **Truebiscuit** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:10 pm

holv03 wrote:Mo Bamba is a guy I'm hearing that John Paxson really likes. I doubt he is available at #7 since Dallas likes him also. Bulls might be going for a center at #7 and a wing at #22 unless Porter Jr is there at #7 and his health is good.

Insider talk?

Indomitable · Post #84 » by **Indomitable** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:11 pm

imagge wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
imagge wrote:Small tidbit Knox was a football player first as his father played at FSU. Being so young gives him loads of potential....he just really learning to play basketball as he out grew football in HS literally OUT GREW football

Football is a **** sport to grow up playing. There are really no cross-functional skills being developed like there are in soccer and especially volleyball.

And Knox is real soft for a football player.

Most here would not have drafted the Greek Freak

He was the guy everyone wanted in the Snell draft. There was a big Freak fun club. This is just wrong. The Greek was a 6 10 pg with great coordination.

Knox looks like he does not know how to play.

R3AL1TY · Post #85 » by **R3AL1TY** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:12 pm

Many of us on here would like one of the top bigs in the draft, but it's even better when you have a big that knows how to make good passes. Here are the type of passes Carter can deliver to guys like Lauri, Bobby, Zach, etc.:

Watch on YouTube

TheSuzerain · Post #86 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:13 pm

Indomitable wrote:
imagge wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Football is a **** sport to grow up playing. There are really no cross-functional skills being developed like there are in soccer and especially volleyball.

And Knox is real soft for a football player.

Most here would not have drafted the Greek Freak /quote]

He was the guy everyone wanted in the Snell draft. There was a big Freak fun club. This is just wrong. The Greek was a 6 10 pg with great coordination.

Knox looks like he does not know how to play.

Yeah Draft Thread was all over Giannis that year.

I remember wanting him and Sergey Karasev lol.

Habs72 · Post #87 » by **Habs72** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:17 pm

An honest question for all those that have voted or are on board for us taking Bridges(I still presume its the Mikal that were talkin about). Which one you would have preferred to draft freshman Carter or freshman Bridges? Btw, there was some guy called Archidiacono playin in the same team at the time.

Four choices to vote, quite a few...im very intrigued what Porter MIGHT bring into the table but im at the same time scared as hell what he might NOT bring into the table. His career might be a season long or a 15 year long.

Young gets me interested for those Curry comparisons, but what worries me is that HALF of his shooting is outside the arc and is he able to penetrate at all in NBA lvl. Whats inside his head gives me some doubts as how he is gonna attack of his shortcomings at NBA lvl. He reminds me of Johnny Manziel and the hype that he got for some reason (valid?) :lol:

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All in all the draft will be VERY interesting. I wouldnt be against going up but then again i wouldnt be against going down for the right price.

Post #88 » by **fleet** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:19 pm

Carter age 19, can he still grow an inch? If he could it probably would have been mentioned. If he had another inch or two on him, his stock may look more bullish (heh). It doesn't really matter. Just a question. I remember Bobby saying he was gonna be a 7 footer. I'm not sure it ever happened.

Am2626 · Post #89 » by **Am2626** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:19 pm

Chitownbulls wrote:If Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba an MPJ are all gone...I'm taking my chances on 28ppg 9assist Trae Young

Those numbers are unheard of. We are so far away from winning anything, we should still be in talent collection mode.

That’s why getting the 7th pick really sucks. If Trae Young is the only one left from that list of players you mentioned, I can see this FO passing on Trae Young and going with someone like Wendell Carter or Mikal Bridges.

KevinPandawong · Post #90 » by **KevinPandawong** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:32 pm

Why did Robert Williams skip the combine? I love his fit next to Lauri, if you squinted your eyes really tight they might look like the new school Rasheed and Ben. If Jontay goes back to school and we pick a wing in the lotto, I'd trade #22+Portis in a heartbeat to pick him up.

Habs72 · Post #91 » by **Habs72** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:45 pm

fleet wrote:Carter age 19, can he still grow an inch? If he could it probably would have been mentioned. If he had another inch or two on him, his stock may look more bullish (heh). It doesn't really matter. Just a question. I remember Bobby saying he was gonna be a 7 footer. I'm not sure it ever happened.

His height, wingspan and standing reach were all one inch more at the combine than they were in all of the scouting reports a year ago, but dunno if he is still growing :dontknow:

. One thing is sure though vs Portishead, he is a LOT smarter on and off court :wink:

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NDave79 · Post #92 » by **NDave79** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:54 pm

Also, I think Trae is bigger than people think. I get the impression many think he is this over-the-top, tiny, frail person for the NBA. He's not huge by any means, but he's not freakishly small either. He's basically 6'2" with a 6'3" winspan. Earlier in the draft thread we sort of established that his length 7'11.5" wasn't great, but equal or better than some good point guards and sort of in the realm of a little below average for starting point guards.

He weighed in at 177 which sounds pretty light, but look at this list of players and their weights. Keep in mind, Trae is going to be among the youngest people on this list at the time of getting weighed.

Spoiler:

So while Trae is on the smaller side, he's not freakishly small either.

Also, I think he has some pretty stout shoulders and almost like the frame of a mini-running back looking at the composition of his shoulders and lower body and the way he runs and shifts.

Here he is with our own Zach Lavine in 2015. I feel like even at an early age, he has a wider frame than Zach.

Read on Twitter

Trae compared with Curry in college

Their are some other good pics out there (especially one where he is standing next to Kobe), but I can't find them.

edit - I will admit, he looks tiny here compared to Damian Lillard

Post #93 » by **fleet** » Tue May 22, 2018 7:58 pm

Kirk's wingspan was 6'6" I believe, a bigger point. So Trae is reasonably proportional. Ridnour was about 6'2", 6'3" wingspan. I dont think people felt he was size challenged. Folks are talking about Trae like he is TJ Ford.

Hangtime84 · Post #94 » by **Hangtime84** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:12 pm

Truebiscuit wrote:
holv03 wrote:Mo Bamba is a guy I'm hearing that John Paxson really likes. I doubt he is available at #7 since Dallas likes him also. Bulls might be going for a center at #7 and a wing at #22 unless Porter Jr is there at #7 and his health is good.

Insider talk?

I’ll take on parsons if that means bamba

He is one of them. Don’t go running him off because the news might be old.

madvillian · Post #95 » by **madvillian** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 pm

I'm starting to warm up on Young, partially because I think he's the only high upside guy that might be left at #7. If Bamba, JJJ and MPJ are off the board I'm all in on Young.

Those passes from Carter really did absolutely nothing for me. Big to Big passing just isn't that important.

Chitownbulls · Post #96 » by **Chitownbulls** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 pm

shakes0 wrote:
kodo wrote:RE: Jimmer vs Trey

Jimmer's source of his failure wasn't what type of player he was or shooting talent...it was his arrogance.

This was from when he was w/ the San Antonio Spurs ...
"Jimmer thinks everybody is stupid," said an NBA assistant who worked with Fredette. "He thinks everybody needs to come and just turn over their offense and let him shoot it anytime he wants. That's not how the league works."

If you're talented & lucky enough that the Spurs want to develop you after your career is a miserable failure...you need to STFU and listen. Jimmer was just mentally delusional about how good he was and how little he had to learn.

Mental issues will always torpedo a career, be it Jimmer or Ben Gordon or Tyrus Thomas.

I wouldn't assume Trey is also that delusional. But if he is, it will come out instantly in the interview.

People really need to stop comparing Trae (it's spelled Trae, act like you heard of him before last week) to Jimmer, the two could not be more opposite. Jimmer was a shoot first second and third shooting guard. Trae is a pass first point guard. He's a better passer than he is a shooter. Didn't get to see a lot of that this season because his teammates were so historically bad that they couldn't catch and finish even the simplest of passes.

Agreed...Trae Young had one of most incredible seasons we have seen in years. Led the country in PPG an Assist as A 19yr old FRESHMAN! Kemba, CP3, Westbrook, Lillard, Iverson, Wall, Rose etc...none of them came close to what Trae did this year. The kid could be special.

holv03 · Post #97 » by **holv03** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
holv03 wrote:Mo Bamba is a guy I'm hearing that John Paxson really likes. I doubt he is available at #7 since Dallas likes him also. Bulls might be going for a center at #7 and a wing at #22 unless Porter Jr is there at #7 and his health is good.

Insider talk?

I’ll take on parsons if that means bamba

He is one of them. Don’t go running him off because the news might be old.

I dont know why people think that Memphis will trade down. They are trying to grab the best player available and if that's Luka Doncic he will be playing in Memphis. They want to make the playoffs next year. I don't see them trading down unless they get a quality player back.

Truebiscuit · Post #98 » by **Truebiscuit** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:22 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
holv03 wrote:Mo Bamba is a guy I'm hearing that John Paxson really likes. I doubt he is available at #7 since Dallas likes him also. Bulls might be going for a center at #7 and a wing at #22 unless Porter Jr is there at #7 and his health is good.

Insider talk?

I’ll take on parsons if that means bamba

He is one of them. Don’t go running him off because the news might be old.

all good! I'm new here so I don't know who's who yet haha

holv03 · Post #99 » by **holv03** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:23 pm

NDave79 wrote:Also, I think Trae is bigger than people think. I get the impression many think he is this over-the-top, tiny, frail person for the NBA. He's not huge by any means, but he's not freakishly small either. He's basically 6'2" with a 6'3" winspan. Earlier in the draft thread we sort of established that his length 7'11.5" wasn't great, but equal or better than some good point guards and sort of in the realm of a little below average for starting point guards.

He weighed in at 177 which sounds pretty light, but look at this list of players and their weights. Keep in mind, Trae is going to be among the youngest people on this list at the time of getting weighed.

Spoiler:
DeAaron Fox -169.6
Tyler Ulis -149.2
Marcus Thornton -177.4
Delon Wright -181.4
Zach LaVine -180.9
Elfrid Payton -185.4
Jordan Clarkson PG -186.3
Dennis Schroder PG -164.8
Michael Carter-Williams -184.4
Will Barton SG-SF -174.4
Avery Bradley SG-PG -180.4
Eric Maynor PG -163.6
Darren Collison PG -166.2
Jeff Teague PG -175.2
Patty Mills PG -175.4
Stephen Curry PG-SG -181.0
Rodrigue Beaubois -182.4
George Hill PG -181.0
Mike Conley PG -175.0
CJ Watson PG -171.0
Jordan Farmar PG -171.0
Rudy Fernandez SG -172.0
Monta Ellis SG-PG -176.6
Chris Paul PG -178.0
Devin Harris PG -170.0
Shaun Livingston -186.0
T.J. Ford PG -162.0
Luke Ridnour PG -167.0
Kirk Hinrich PG-SG -186.0
Speedy Claxton PG -166.0
Jamal Crawford PG-SG -175.0

So while Trae is on the smaller side, he's not freakishly small either.

Also, I think he has some pretty stout shoulders and almost like the frame of a mini-running back looking at the composition of his shoulders and lower body and the way he runs and shifts.

Here he is with our own Zach Lavine in 2015. I feel like even at an early age, he has a wider frame than Zach.

Read on Twitter

Trae compared with Curry in college

Their are some other good pics out there (especially one where he is standing next to Kobe), but I can't find them.

edit - I will admit, he looks tiny here compared to Damian Lillard

The picture of Lillard and Young doesn't say much since Young was basically still very young. I believe he was like a freshman in that picture. Young will be better than what people think.

MrSparkle · Post #100 » by **MrSparkle** » Tue May 22, 2018 8:28 pm

holv03 wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:
Truebiscuit wrote:
Insider talk?

I’ll take on parsons if that means bamba

He is one of them. Don’t go running him off because the news might be old.

I dont know why people think that Memphis will trade down. They are trying to grab the best player available and if that's Luka Doncic he will be playing in Memphis. They want to make the playoffs next year. I don't see them trading down unless they get a quality player back.

Right on. MEM has always had modest aspirations with their limited budget (they won't go deep into luxury), and their goal with this draft is to get the highest-ceiling player, have Conley/Gasol mentor them to their full potential so that they have a generational franchise player to build around. Trading down, creating cap and loading up on new FAs would be a nonsensical and fruitless long-term plan. I imagine they're committed to finding the best BPA, and trading down wouldn't address that.

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