Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[Edug27]

Kyle Korver made him very touchable.

When Kyle Korver shuts you down, blocks two of your shots, strips another, come on?

The expectations that people out of Jaylen is way too much. He has a long watch to go to even be a all-star. Baby steps.

Brown has shown these playoffs that he is already one of the better players in the east. Putting up 18 ppg on 52% from 2 and 43% from 3, with excellent defense, leading his teams to wins, while playing some of the games on a gimpy hamstring.

He's really not that far away from being an allstar. East all stars this year:

Guards - Irving, Beal, Dragic, Walker, Wall, Lowry
Wings - LeBRon, Derozan, Oladipo
Bogs - Drummond, Love, Porzingis, Horford, Embiid, Giannis

Brown isn't that far off guys like Beal, Dragic, Walker, Lowry when you factor in defense. Who is Brown's competition? Middleton, Hayward and Aaron Gordon sure. After that? Teams like Brooklyn, Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Knicks got nothing on the wing.

Horford won't be an allstar for much longer either. Simmons likely replaces him. Guys like Drummond and Love impact on winning is questionable.

Brown's biggest obstacle is likely a lack of touches due to the immense talent on his own team.

I sound like a broken record....DO NOT TRADE BROWN OR TATUM FOR ANYONE NOT NAMED ANTHONY DAVIS.....okay, okay..Perhaps Brown for KAT lol

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If all of these happen...

1. Bron stays in the East
2. Kawhi proves himself to be fully healthy
3. He refuses to sign max with SA
4. Spurs refuse to trade him to LA

... Brown may be gone homie.

[ddb]

Brown has shown these playoffs that he is already one of the better players in the east. Putting up 18 ppg on 52% from 2 and 43% from 3, with excellent defense, leading his teams to wins, while playing some of the games on a gimpy hamstring.

He's really not that far away from being an allstar. East all stars this year:

Guards - Irving, Beal, Dragic, Walker, Wall, Lowry
Wings - LeBRon, Derozan, Oladipo
Bogs - Drummond, Love, Porzingis, Horford, Embiid, Giannis

Brown isn't that far off guys like Beal, Dragic, Walker, Lowry when you factor in defense. Who is Brown's competition? Middleton, Hayward and Aaron Gordon sure. After that? Teams like Brooklyn, Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Knicks got nothing on the wing.

Horford won't be an allstar for much longer either. Simmons likely replaces him. Guys like Drummond and Love impact on winning is questionable.

Brown's biggest obstacle is likely a lack of touches due to the immense talent on his own team.

I sound like a broken record....DO NOT TRADE BROWN OR TATUM FOR ANYONE NOT NAMED ANTHONY DAVIS.....okay, okay..Perhaps Brown for KAT lol

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If all of these happen...

1. Bron stays in the East
2. Kawhi proves himself to be fully healthy
3. He refuses to sign max with SA
4. Spurs refuse to trade him to LA

... Brown may be gone homie.

perhaps. how are you matching salaries?

[jmr07019]

Brown has shown these playoffs that he is already one of the better players in the east. Putting up 18 ppg on 52% from 2 and 43% from 3, with excellent defense, leading his teams to wins, while playing some of the games on a gimpy hamstring.

He's really not that far away from being an allstar. East all stars this year:

Guards - Irving, Beal, Dragic, Walker, Wall, Lowry
Wings - LeBRon, Derozan, Oladipo
Bogs - Drummond, Love, Porzingis, Horford, Embiid, Giannis

Brown isn't that far off guys like Beal, Dragic, Walker, Lowry when you factor in defense. Who is Brown's competition? Middleton, Hayward and Aaron Gordon sure. After that? Teams like Brooklyn, Atlanta, Charlotte, Chicago, Knicks got nothing on the wing.

Horford won't be an allstar for much longer either. Simmons likely replaces him. Guys like Drummond and Love impact on winning is questionable.

Brown's biggest obstacle is likely a lack of touches due to the immense talent on his own team.

I sound like a broken record....DO NOT TRADE BROWN OR TATUM FOR ANYONE NOT NAMED ANTHONY DAVIS.....okay, okay..Perhaps Brown for KAT lol

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If all of these happen...

1. Bron stays in the East
2. Kawhi proves himself to be fully healthy
3. He refuses to sign max with SA
4. Spurs refuse to trade him to LA

... Brown may be gone homie.

According to this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761094-la-lakers-should-add-kawhi-leonard-to-list-of-superstar-targets

If Kawhi signs super max with Spurs - 5 years 219 million
If Kawhi is traded and resigns with new team - 5 years 183 million
If Kawhi leaves SA in FA - 4 years 140 million

I know he's mad but passing on that super max guaranteed money when he has to come back from an injury seems like an awful choice for him. If reports of SA being willing to offer him the super max are true I don't see how he turns it down. Crazier things have happened though.

[Edug27]

I sound like a broken record....DO NOT TRADE BROWN OR TATUM FOR ANYONE NOT NAMED ANTHONY DAVIS.....okay, okay..Perhaps Brown for KAT lol

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If all of these happen...

1. Bron stays in the East
2. Kawhi proves himself to be fully healthy
3. He refuses to sign max with SA
4. Spurs refuse to trade him to LA

... Brown may be gone homie.

perhaps. how are you matching salaries?

Danny's much more creative than I am, but...

Jaylen
Morris (expiring)
Yabu (expiring)
#27 pick (traded post selection)

That gets you very close in regards to matching salaries. I'm trying to avoid including Rozier here of course. Adding him would make this deal done. But I'd prefer to keep him.

[AzogTheDefilier]

Kawhi is scheduled to make $20mil next year.

Brown: $5mil
Morris: $5mil
Yabu: $2.6mil
Draft pick: $3mil?

Thats 15.6mil vs. 20mil. So you are close. I am not sure how this makes your team better though.

[Edug27]

Kawhi is scheduled to make $20mil next year.

Brown: $5mil
Morris: $5mil
Yabu: $2.6mil
Draft pick: $3mil?

Thats 15.6mil vs. 20mil. So you are close. I am not sure how this makes your team better though.

Disagree. IF he's healthy... IF he's all-in... IF Lebron stays in the East... It certainly makes us better.

The future cap gets tricky though. But that's why Danny gets paid the big bucks. I think you do all you can to win a title in the next 5 seasons. While keeping Tatum for the future.

Also... you don't have to match the full 20 mil.

[GrandTheftRondo]

Almost nobody in the league is untouchable to me.

But I think you'd be nuts to trade Brown unless you're going to get back something that makes the team seriously better right now and in with a good chance of competing with the Warriors now and for the next few seasons. The chance of getting something like that in a trade involving Jaylen is almost zero, so yeah I guess you could probably say he is untouchable by that method.

He's been **** the last two games but my god people need to stop being so damn reactionary. Just a year ago he was barely getting minutes and was miles off being a key player for us. A year later him, Tatum and Rozier are all major reasons this team is 2 wins away from an NBA finals berth despite losing Kyrie and Hayward. Even as a Jaylen fan since the time he was drafted I could never have imagined the speed that he has developed at. He's a second year player, he's going to struggle at times and the ECF on the road against a veteran Cavs team is a very tough environment to play in. Steph Curry and the Warriors struggled in that very environment in two straight finals and they weren't nearly as young as Jaylen. It's the same with Rozier. People are so quick to downplay his potential despite him basically going from small minute role player to starting PG on a ECF team in a matter of months. He's not going to be consistently good as someone like Irving who has been in a star role since high school.

[OBisHalJordan]

I don't understand why people are so invested in trading for a possibly chronically injured malcontent who quit on his team, especially when Tatum, Brown, and Hayward are all ready on the roster. Sure, a healthy Kawhi is an upgrade but is he really that much of an upgrade to warrant the opportunity cost and risk. It's not like Boston is NOLA with a huge hole at the SF position. With Kyrie and Hayward this team is a clear contender. The only contract decision that has to be made this summer is Smart. It makes sense to stand pat this summer.

Moreover, the overreactions is this thread are ridiculous. OK, Brown didn't have best first half of game 4. He's 21 and trending up. His improvement from season 1 to season 2 was remarkable. I'd rather bet on his improvement that Kawhi's health and attitude. Remember when a 22 year old Leonard missed a critical free throw in game 7 of the 2013 finals? If a lot of you were were Spurs fans, you'd probably would've proposing all sorts of bull **** trades to move him back then.

[AzogTheDefilier]

Kawhi is scheduled to make $20mil next year.

Brown: $5mil
Morris: $5mil
Yabu: $2.6mil
Draft pick: $3mil?

Thats 15.6mil vs. 20mil. So you are close. I am not sure how this makes your team better though.

Disagree. IF he's healthy... IF he's all-in... IF Lebron stays in the East... It certainly makes us better.

The future cap gets tricky though. But that's why Danny gets paid the big bucks. I think you do all you can to win a title in the next 5 seasons. While keeping Tatum for the future.

Also... you don't have to match the full 20 mil.

I don't know if Kawhi over the next 5 years is better than Brown, Morris and a 1st round pick. He may be? But you've killed your salary cap flex for sure and your bench strength. I personally would not do it. I think you have enough right now to compete for the next 10 years.

[keevsnick1]

Kawhi is scheduled to make $20mil next year.

Brown: $5mil
Morris: $5mil
Yabu: $2.6mil
Draft pick: $3mil?

Thats 15.6mil vs. 20mil. So you are close. I am not sure how this makes your team better though.

Disagree. IF he's healthy... IF he's all-in... IF Lebron stays in the East... It certainly makes us better.

The future cap gets tricky though. But that's why Danny gets paid the big bucks. I think you do all you can to win a title in the next 5 seasons. While keeping Tatum for the future.

Also... you don't have to match the full 20 mil.

I don't know if Kawhi over the next 5 years is better than Brown, Morris and a 1st round pick. He may be? But you've killed your salary cap flex for sure and your bench strength. I personally would not do it. I think you have enough right now to compete for the next 10 years.

Honestly, the more i think about it the more convinced I am that there is a 0% chance we are trading for Kawhi. If we do get him for say Jaylen/Jayson and whatever cap filler then we now have 4 max level guys who will all be making 30 million in a year. Even if we fill out our roster with draft picks and MLE we are talking record level of tax for a team that probably still isnt favored over GS. Thats before we factor in injury risk with Kawhi. Doesn't it make a lot more sense just to keep the young guys, run it back next year and put off the money crunch another year? I don't know if Jaylen will be as good as Kawhi, but I know he has all star potential as soon as next year and is making relative peanuts the next two seasons. I know his timeline fits perfectly with Tatum. I know he doesn't have the injury risk Kawhi does. It just seems like the safer play. And theres the added benefit of Jayson/Jaylen being young enough that even if we arent good enough to win the next couple years they will only improve while GS gets a little worse every year. Its the best of both worlds, try to win now while being set up for the future. Trading for Kawhi shifts a lot more of the emphasis to win now.

[Marvel]

He played like a complete moron in the 1st quarter. Brad got mad at him on the missed dunk at the end of the 1st quarter. He was supposed to hold it for the last shot, instead he got a big head and wanted to do it all himself like an idiot. He has to play smarter in game 5 and not try and dunk or finish through 2-3 defenders.

[return2glory]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

[keevsnick1]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

Ya hes not a hall of famer at 21, literally everything else you just said is wrong. Hayward healthy or not Brown would be getting 30+ minutes, hes good. I know because he routinely has led this team in minutes. The fact that BS trust him tells me all I need to know. He is good with the ball in his hands, I know because he has has led this team in scoring many times this posteason and does a lot of his damage at the rim. You need at least somé ball skill to do that. He might make the all star team next season might not for several, might never. I dont know, nobody does. But hes a good player. I wouldnt trade him for Kawhi.

[Higgs Boston]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

People don't compare him with HOFs in their primes, is a comparison at similar age. Most players as 21 years old players are elite role players at best even if we include HOFs. Maybe you should check the performance by HOFs when they were 21 years old, even there are a lot of them that were pathetic as a 23 years old players.
What is foolish and ridiculous is that you think that a player like Smart with better offense would be a starter over a player like Brown.

[sam_I_am]

Kawhi is scheduled to make $20mil next year.

Brown: $5mil
Morris: $5mil
Yabu: $2.6mil
Draft pick: $3mil?

Thats 15.6mil vs. 20mil. So you are close. I am not sure how this makes your team better though.

Disagree. IF he's healthy... IF he's all-in... IF Lebron stays in the East... It certainly makes us better.

The future cap gets tricky though. But that's why Danny gets paid the big bucks. I think you do all you can to win a title in the next 5 seasons. While keeping Tatum for the future.

Also... you don't have to match the full 20 mil.

I don't know if Kawhi over the next 5 years is better than Brown, Morris and a 1st round pick. He may be? But you've killed your salary cap flex for sure and your bench strength. I personally would not do it. I think you have enough right now to compete for the next 10 years.

In a vacuum you may be right. But what if we stand pat and Philly trades Simmons for Kawhi and signs Lebron as FA. Suddenly, Embiid, Lebron, Kawhi, Saric, Reddick or a Bellinelli looks like a team that dominate East for next 3-5 years. Brown may thrive in SA and in 5 years might be better than Kawhi especially due to injuries. But we may may have 2 titles instead of none.

When a player like Kawhi is on the move it can change everything. Durant to GS changed everything. It would have been wide open out west and Cavs would have contended with any of them. Instead we all know how this is going to play out. Well Kawhi going to the wrong team could end our hopes at contending next year.

[AzogTheDefilier]

Disagree. IF he's healthy... IF he's all-in... IF Lebron stays in the East... It certainly makes us better.

The future cap gets tricky though. But that's why Danny gets paid the big bucks. I think you do all you can to win a title in the next 5 seasons. While keeping Tatum for the future.

Also... you don't have to match the full 20 mil.

I don't know if Kawhi over the next 5 years is better than Brown, Morris and a 1st round pick. He may be? But you've killed your salary cap flex for sure and your bench strength. I personally would not do it. I think you have enough right now to compete for the next 10 years.

In a vacuum you may be right. But what if we stand pat and Philly trades Simmons for Kawhi and signs Lebron as FA. Suddenly, Embiid, Lebron, Kawhi, Saric, Reddick or a Bellinelli looks like a team that dominate East for next 3-5 years. Brown may thrive in SA and in 5 years might be better than Kawhi especially due to injuries. But we may may have 2 titles instead of none.

The salaries don't match with Simmons for Kawhi? But even that team with Embiid, LBJ (who'll be in his 16th season), Kawhi and Saric are fine but with no bench. JJ makes $22mil and is an UFA. You are paying big $$ to LBJ and Kawhi already and I am not sure you pay Reddick again but if you do, then you have a 3-year window max and still have to beat GS. Let them do the deal. Kawhi and Embiid are injury prone. Reddick will be 34 as will LBJ.

Meanwhile the Cs challenge them with JB, Tatum, Kyrie, Al and Hayward...that is a sick starting 5. Who do Reddick and Saric guard? JB will be another year better as will Tatum. Then they have no bench and the Cs bring Scary Terry, Morris and Theis. Not to mention future cheap player help from the plethora of draft picks.

Lastly if LBJ leaves he will want his last max deal and probably force Cavs into a sign and trade.

[cloverleaf]

He played like a complete moron in the 1st quarter. Brad got mad at him on the missed dunk at the end of the 1st quarter. He was supposed to hold it for the last shot, instead he got a big head and wanted to do it all himself like an idiot. He has to play smarter in game 5 and not try and dunk or finish through 2-3 defenders.

Confidence doesn't seem to be an issue with him--at this point it is rather keeping him from getting a little too full ahead of himself and ahead of his game. Still, if he works hard again this summer, he should come back as a more polished (better FT%) and complete (better ball handling and seeing the floor better) player.

[thelarrybirdx]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

Agreed with everything but this.

[Fencer reregistered]

It seems I was a little premature comparing Brown to Klay Thompson.

That said -- if Brown doesn't quickly admit that he choked in Game 7, my regard for him will go down quite a bit. He's played very well in a bunch of big games recently, particularly in the first quarter. I'm very optimistic that he'll outgrow choking, quickly; it's not that bad in the first place. But in the game of his career that was at least a little bigger than any other, he did choke, and it would worry me if he didn't realize that.

[Wes-J]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

Whaaaaaaaa

You're embarrassing yourself. Before, during, and after Brown's drafting.

He ain't going anywhere. He's gonna continue to get better. He's gonna be a star. Role player my ass. Deal with it Dragan fanboy.