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Bridges
27
15%
Carter
30
17%
Porter
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60%
Young
16
9%
 
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#221 » by thewraith » Wed May 23, 2018 5:21 am

ThreeMileAllan wrote:Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.



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I've been saying this but somebody started talking stocks with me when I brought this up. If you're not an Embiid/AD/Towns versatile center or Shaq dominant you have no role in today's nba. People like Gobert are good for D but I'll keep saying none of these remaining teams are anchored by some mythical big that everybody just love to keep picking with early picks. Now if you think a big can be one of the exceptions I understand but otherwise I really don't get it.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#222 » by dumbell78 » Wed May 23, 2018 5:25 am

How big of a gap do guys think there is in talent say 7-20 in this draft?
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#223 » by Leslie Forman » Wed May 23, 2018 5:33 am

thewraith wrote:
ThreeMileAllan wrote:Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.



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I've been saying this but somebody started talking stocks with me when I brought this up. If you're not an Embiid/AD/Towns versatile center or Shaq dominant you have no role in today's nba. People like Gobert are good for D but I'll keep saying none of these remaining teams are anchored by some mythical big that everybody just love to keep picking with early picks. Now if you think a big can be one of the exceptions I understand but otherwise I really don't get it.

You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#224 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Wed May 23, 2018 6:52 am

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GimmeDat wrote:Be interesting to find out what the Bulls think of Simons. Very divisive when you ask people about him. Wouldn't take him at 22 but if you somehow end up with another 20's pick, very interesting upside piece.

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Really? He’s the absolute guy i want at 22. Young with high upside. I think he’s a steal there. I’d rather not draft a senior but a guy who can be a spark in the future for years to come.


what is he a PG or SG?
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#225 » by the ultimates » Wed May 23, 2018 7:06 am

If Capela had any modicum of an offensive game other than rim running and being spoon fed baskets he would be on the floor. That's why Carter, Bamba and JJJ are so appealing because they have legit potential to be two-way bigs.
Losing to get high draft picks and hoping they turn into franchise players is not some next level, genius move. That's what teams want to happen in any rebuild/tank or whatever you want to market it as.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#226 » by Dez » Wed May 23, 2018 7:32 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:It's really depressing that Jordan Bell might be a better fit next to Lauri than pretty much all the top bigs in this class except JJJ.


Why would you be depressed about not having a scrub player?

Right. The rookie getting run in the Western Conference Finals (the de facto NBA finals) is a scrub player.

Keep the good posts coming, man.


If he didn't have Curry, Thompson, Durant and Green around him he wouldn't be getting minutes.
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Re: RE: Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#227 » by samwana » Wed May 23, 2018 7:55 am

GimmeDat wrote:Clippers supposedly want to trade up to get MPJ.

If MPJ was the guy on the board at 7, would you trade the pick for 12/13? Likely targets in that range being Sexton/SGA/R.Williams/Walker Jr./Smith.

Personally, I wouldn't, but if at least one of Miles/Mikal/Carter/Trae falls to 12 I'd strongly consider it.
I would think about that and would be very tempted to take that offer.
MPJ is too risky for me with his problems.
#7 and Felicio for #12 and #13, take that and run with it. Take Jontay and SGA, Miles, Zhaire, there are a lot of promising guys in that range.


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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#228 » by dumbell78 » Wed May 23, 2018 8:20 am

If JJJ and Bamba are off the board, I might be persuaded do to take Clippers two picks and Harrell. Something to think about for me if the alternative is just WCJ at 7.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#229 » by Habs72 » Wed May 23, 2018 10:49 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
shakes0 wrote:
-longer
-more athletic
-better shooter
-better ball handler
-great defensive player


What else do you need????


I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.


Thing is, JJJ looks like he could be KG level great. It wouldn't even be a question for me. Triple J is the one.


And WCJ could end up Karl Malone with a 3 point shot and blocking for all we know :wink: .
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#230 » by Habs72 » Wed May 23, 2018 11:23 am

Leslie Forman wrote:
thewraith wrote:
ThreeMileAllan wrote:Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.



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You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.


Find a MJ in this draft for me at our range....or at any range. Pretty please? There might be a Pippen but not our range. Find me that MJ, i dare you.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#231 » by Habs72 » Wed May 23, 2018 11:24 am

Still not a single response those pro Mikal...would you draft a freshman Mikal Bridges over freshman Wendell Carter? Yea, i thought so...

Imo no matter who we draft at possible #7 were gonna have a pretty darn good player but i would be disappointed if were gonna draft Mikal Bridges a #7.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#232 » by Clint Eastwood » Wed May 23, 2018 11:32 am

Just stop talking about trading down if JJJ or Bamba not there. I would take a risk on JJJ or Bamba if they are at 7 maybe, but otherwise I’m drafting Mikal Bridges and counting myself lucky that we got likely the best player in the draft. In fact, I likely would take him over anyone other than Ayton and Doncic just because of their upside.

Here’s my out of the box prediction: Mikal Bridges is drafted before 7 which I guess will make many here very happy as another player everyone is clamoring for will therefor drop to 7
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#233 » by JimmyJammer » Wed May 23, 2018 11:33 am

Habs72 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.


Thing is, JJJ looks like he could be KG level great. It wouldn't even be a question for me. Triple J is the one.


And WCJ could end up Karl Malone with a 3 point shot and blocking for all we know :wink: .


It has been more than 15 years since teams and fans have been looking for the next Garnett, but there can only be one Garnett. As it stands JJJ is more raw than any of the top bigs in the draft, so to predict that he will be the next Garnett is highly ridiculous. Wendell Carter is closer to being Karl Malone than JJJ being Garnett.
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Re: RE: Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#234 » by xpmar9x » Wed May 23, 2018 11:45 am

samwana wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Clippers supposedly want to trade up to get MPJ.

If MPJ was the guy on the board at 7, would you trade the pick for 12/13? Likely targets in that range being Sexton/SGA/R.Williams/Walker Jr./Smith.

Personally, I wouldn't, but if at least one of Miles/Mikal/Carter/Trae falls to 12 I'd strongly consider it.
I would think about that and would be very tempted to take that offer.
MPJ is too risky for me with his problems.
#7 and Felicio for #12 and #13, take that and run with it. Take Jontay and SGA, Miles, Zhaire, there are a lot of promising guys in that range.


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My dream:
7/Felicio for 12/13/Gallinari

Follow up with 13/Grant for 10/Bayless/38.
**Salary dump for PHI, while getting a cheaper bench PG**

Finally, 22/Lopez for 15/Mahinmi.
**Wash saves $ while moving just 7 picks back**


10: Mikal Bridges
12: Colin Sexton
15: Robert Williams
38: ?


Dunn - Sexton - Bayless
Lavine - Valentine - Blakeney
Bridges - Gallinari -38?
Lauri - Portis
Rob Williams - Mahinmi
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#235 » by DuckIII » Wed May 23, 2018 11:48 am

Leslie Forman wrote:
thewraith wrote:
ThreeMileAllan wrote:Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.



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You'd think fans of the franchise that won 6 titles with complete garbage at center would think differently.


You mean that team with 2 of the greatest wing players in the history of the sport? Yeah I remember that. Was pretty sweet. Let’s just draft 2 guys like that this year, since it’s the last year we are ever allowed to add players to our roster for the rest of time.
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Re: RE: Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#236 » by Red Larrivee » Wed May 23, 2018 11:52 am

ThreeMileAllan wrote:Seeing Capela not get burn and be part of Houstons most effective lineup makes me not excited to draft a Bamba type player. Big, switcjable wings who can score from 3 and attack closeouts. Thats it. Run 5 of those guys and youre golden.

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How many teams are able to do that at a high level? How many teams have a center like Anthony Davis or Draymond Green, that can switch everything, defend at a high level and are useful offensively? Even players like Gobert, Embiid and Capela can be exposed.

There may be 3 teams max that have a good small ball lineup. There is 1 team that has a great small ball lineup and it's because of the historically unique set of talent they have. Chasing that build isn't going to work.

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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#237 » by DuckIII » Wed May 23, 2018 11:52 am

Clint Eastwood wrote:Just stop talking about trading down if JJJ or Bamba not there. I would take a risk on JJJ or Bamba if they are at 7 maybe, but otherwise I’m drafting Mikal Bridges and counting myself lucky that we got likely the best player in the draft. In fact, I likely would take him over anyone other than Ayton and Doncic just because of their upside.

Here’s my out of the box prediction: Mikal Bridges is drafted before 7 which I guess will make many here very happy as another player everyone is clamoring for will therefor drop to 7


The only way I trade back is if Cleveland or NY trade up with their own pick and a future first to get Young, which would allow us to still draft Bridges or Carter.

Otherwise, stay at 7 and draft Bridges and be happy. He’s going to end up one of the top 4-5 players in the draft.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#238 » by NecessaryEvil » Wed May 23, 2018 12:18 pm

Habs72 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:
I agree that JJJ is the better prospect, but I don't think the difference is that massive.

JJJ shot .396 from three. Carter shot .413.

Wendell is easily the better rebounder. Wendell is the better passer. Wendell better finisher at the rim.

The main difference comes from athleticism and defense, not that Carter is a liability in either of those areas. Consider also that Wendell limited to his game to play 2nd fiddle to Bagley and there may be some skills that we didn't see from him. He showed some extra versatility at the HS level, for sure.

I'll take JJJ but playing devils advocate for Wendell a bit because he's underrated.


Thing is, JJJ looks like he could be KG level great. It wouldn't even be a question for me. Triple J is the one.


And WCJ could end up Karl Malone with a 3 point shot and blocking for all we know :wink: .


U know what, you have a point there
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#239 » by NecessaryEvil » Wed May 23, 2018 12:25 pm

JimmyJammer wrote:
Habs72 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Thing is, JJJ looks like he could be KG level great. It wouldn't even be a question for me. Triple J is the one.


And WCJ could end up Karl Malone with a 3 point shot and blocking for all we know :wink: .


It has been more than 15 years since teams and fans have been looking for the next Garnett, but there can only be one Garnett. As it stands JJJ is more raw than any of the top bigs in the draft, so to predict that he will be the next Garnett is highly ridiculous. Wendell Carter is closer to being Karl Malone than JJJ being Garnett.


Is Anthony Davis not a KG like player?? but on a hellified supply of steroids?

I never predicted JJJ WILL BE the next KG, I said it's possible, at his age (18) and talent level that he could get to that type of level of greatness.
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Re: 2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 

Post#240 » by biggestbullsfan » Wed May 23, 2018 1:14 pm

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GimmeDat wrote:Be interesting to find out what the Bulls think of Simons. Very divisive when you ask people about him. Wouldn't take him at 22 but if you somehow end up with another 20's pick, very interesting upside piece.

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Really? He’s the absolute guy i want at 22. Young with high upside. I think he’s a steal there. I’d rather not draft a senior but a guy who can be a spark in the future for years to come.


what is he a PG or SG?


I would say undersized sg but he can handle pg dutiwith his handles

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