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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#41 » by GimmeDat » Tue May 22, 2018 7:45 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:So as of now, where are people expecting him to go? Is he a first round lock at this point?


I think he's a lock to go 1st round. My guess is 15-25.

Got a lot of momentum going for him right now.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#42 » by Pinkyring » Tue May 22, 2018 3:33 pm

If he falls to 33 dallas better bounce. I like him next to dsj, im hoping we van get 26 from philly for bayless and take him there
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#43 » by Braggins » Tue May 22, 2018 5:02 pm

What guards/wings in this draft have a better combination of positional length (keep in mind he'll mostly be guarding 1s/2s, whereas someone like Miles Bridges will be guarding 3s/4s?), athleticism, motor, defense, shooting, and age? I'm not seeing very many.

Hes almost 6'5" in shoes with a 7' wingspan. He was the most athletic player tested at the combine. Hes one of the best guard defenders in the entire draft and he averaged 1.8 steals and 1 bpg. He shot 38% from 3pt on over 4 attempts per game and 82% from the line. Hes still 19 for a few more months.

His weaknesses like offensive feel and ball handling aren't even that bad. His handle is at least going to be functional enough to attack closeouts with simple drives. His offensive feel isn't that bad for his age and hes even shown flashes of being a decent passer. I haven't heard anything bad about his intangibles.

I think he'll benefit from the extra space of the NBA game and a reduced offensive role. I'm having trouble seeing why he isn't more widely considered to be in play for the late lottery. He seems like a really safe pick with some sneaky upside.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#44 » by Dr Positivity » Tue May 22, 2018 7:29 pm

I don't really understand what's stopping this guy from getting top 10 buzz, it's not even like his shot creation was that bad this year at 20 pts/40
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#45 » by connseanery » Tue May 22, 2018 7:46 pm

He was more productive than a guy like Walker in his 1st couple years but I think GMs will think his base skill set is more raw. His jumper is slower to set up and his handle is even rougher for a 2 guard.

They are closer than most drankings I'm but I think people will think Walker's skillset can be refined easier sort of like Jaylen Brown although the results aren't there yet in their college seasons.

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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#46 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue May 22, 2018 9:57 pm

Watched G Tech vs WF earlier today. First thoughts, my god were both of those teams bad this year. Second thoughts are, there is a lot to like with Okogie, but a lot to be concerned with as well. He has a good base to build on though.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#47 » by nolang1 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:14 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I don't really understand what's stopping this guy from getting top 10 buzz, it's not even like his shot creation was that bad this year at 20 pts/40


I was at this point with him last year, then he played in the U19 World Cup and didn't really do anything to earn playing time over high schoolers such as Cam Reddish and Louis King, and then this season he put up pretty much the same numbers as last and his team wasn't good.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#48 » by No-Man » Wed May 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I don't really understand what's stopping this guy from getting top 10 buzz, it's not even like his shot creation was that bad this year at 20 pts/40

To me he is just raw around the edges, if you think he is gonna improve enough to be a guy that can do anything other than spot-up and play hard on D while probably been only a medium 30% 3pt shooter, then you can bank on him, but the downside is there to be sure, his finishing is pretty bad and doesn't feel natural on-ball

I like his tools, big enough to play some 3, and mental make-up, but he has a long way to go in certain key areas.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#49 » by Xanadu » Thu May 24, 2018 12:06 am

Starting to like this guy more and more for the Bucks at 17. No one talking about his rebounding which is great especially for a 2 guard. He reminds me of Avery Bradley in that respect. He just seems to have a nose for the ball. With his age, length and athleticism really like him. His shooting is already decent and seems to have the skills to be a good defender. A longer Avery Bradley is something any team could use.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#50 » by SlowPaced » Thu May 24, 2018 12:23 am

I'm having the same feelings about this guy that I did with Donovan Mitchell back in April of last year. I think his combination of tools and motor is very appealing.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#51 » by EvanZ » Thu May 24, 2018 2:38 am

Before you fully fall in love with Okogie, just be aware his Combine measurements are a bit deceptive. For as nice as his vertical and length appear, he does not explode at the rim (as evidenced by his 54.5% at the rim according to hoop-math). If you watch him, he has more trouble finishing than you would expect from someone with that kind of verticality and length.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#52 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu May 24, 2018 3:30 am

EvanZ wrote:Before you fully fall in love with Okogie, just be aware his Combine measurements are a bit deceptive. For as nice as his vertical and length appear, he does not explode at the rim (as evidenced by his 54.5% at the rim according to hoop-math). If you watch him, he has more trouble finishing than you would expect from someone with that kind of verticality and length.

Have to agree. Have now watched 2 full games and a number of condensed games. He is a two foot jumper who really needs to gather himself more than most 2 foot jumpers do and has legit trouble really rising off one foot unless he's in a full steam sprint or has wound up with a lot of space.

He also seems to take a number of ill-advised circus shots in the lane, like facepalm, what are you doing shots.

But watching just those couple games, I mean it's painful watching this team. I'm not trying to separate him from all responsibility and accountability, he's supposed to be their 2nd best player, but I mean, it's hard to get any flow, it's hard for him to not have a guy if not a double team locked on him. The plays they run, their preparation is terrible. In that situation he almost seems lost because you could tell he doesn't want to ball-jock hero ball it 1 on 3 all the time, but he knows once the ball leaves his hands he's not likely to get it back, or get it back when he's open and not only that, but if it isn't Jackson with the ball, it's probably going to be an awful shot or turnover by one of their lame bigs. I'll give him credit, he kept his shoulders high, dug in on D, picked his teammates off the floor every time they spilled, gave emphatic high fives on hustle plays and drawn fouls, all while playing for this abortion of a squad.

But I am concerned about a number of things he can't do, especially physically on offense.


Still have Zhaire Smith way ahead of him. Lonnie Walker and Khyri Thomas too, probably Hutchison and Big Ragu.

Think I'd have him in a toss-up with Huerter.

Think I'd take him over Frazier and Jacob Evans though, and definitely over Gary Trent.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#53 » by Catchall » Fri May 25, 2018 11:32 pm

SlowPaced wrote:I'm having the same feelings about this guy that I did with Donovan Mitchell back in April of last year. I think his combination of tools and motor is very appealing.


Mitchell was a knock-down shooter in his workouts, had an advanced handle and finished well at the rim. If there's a player like Mitchell in this draft that could really impress in workouts, it would be Lonnie Walker or possibly Okobo.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#54 » by bootsythornton » Sat May 26, 2018 1:40 am

I can't believe that so many teams missed Mitchell.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#55 » by DryPaint » Sat May 26, 2018 6:43 pm

Catchall wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:I'm having the same feelings about this guy that I did with Donovan Mitchell back in April of last year. I think his combination of tools and motor is very appealing.


Mitchell was a knock-down shooter in his workouts, had an advanced handle and finished well at the rim. If there's a player like Mitchell in this draft that could really impress in workouts, it would be Lonnie Walker or possibly Okobo.


Yep. I got high hopes for Walker also
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#56 » by doordoor123 » Sat May 26, 2018 8:11 pm

Catchall wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:I'm having the same feelings about this guy that I did with Donovan Mitchell back in April of last year. I think his combination of tools and motor is very appealing.


Mitchell was a knock-down shooter in his workouts, had an advanced handle and finished well at the rim. If there's a player like Mitchell in this draft that could really impress in workouts, it would be Lonnie Walker or possibly Okobo.


Someone like Donovan Mitchell is rare. We’re not going to see someone like that in a long time. None of these guys are at the level Mitchell was at. The thing about Mitchell is that he was leading his team, he was passing for his team, in transition and in half-court, he was defending the best wings, he was shooting off of screens and he already had a body that was ready for contact (on offense and defense) and able to handle the rigorous NBA schedule. He had great stamina already, he had an NBA-ready body, he has NBA-level skill and even advanced moves. Oh yeah and he had great feel and knew how to control the tempo and slow the game down or speed it up when needed. Ben Simmons had a huge advantage because a lot of rookies deal with the fatigue and the ability to get in the paint. He was able to see what he needed to do to not get fatigued (get in great shape) and he learned how to finish through contact. He also learned how to body-up as a defender.

Someone like Lonnie Walker has the body, but not really the frame. I’m also just not sure how he’ll handle fatigue. He seemed to get tired in college. It takes time to learn to get the ability to handle fatigue when running both on offense and defense.

The reason Jordan Bell was such an interesting player is because he was a track runner. Ideally he was someone that could handle the fatigue and knew how to get his body right.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#57 » by WinterSoldier » Sun May 27, 2018 4:55 am

The more I watch the more he reminds me of Oladipo, they have similar size, athleticism, body type and skill set. They both have ball handling as their big concern coming out of college.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#58 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Mon May 28, 2018 5:35 am

WinterSoldier wrote:The more I watch the more he reminds me of Oladipo, they have similar size, athleticism, body type and skill set. They both have ball handling as their big concern coming out of college.

His functional athleticism isn't anywhere near Oladipo. He's not very quick with the ball in his hands nor does he play above the rim often, and never does in traffic. It's a major concern about him that people aren't talking about enough.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#59 » by PerkinsFor3 » Mon May 28, 2018 7:47 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:The more I watch the more he reminds me of Oladipo, they have similar size, athleticism, body type and skill set. They both have ball handling as their big concern coming out of college.

His functional athleticism isn't anywhere near Oladipo. He's not very quick with the ball in his hands nor does he play above the rim often, and never does in traffic. It's a major concern about him that people aren't talking about enough.


Agreed here. I really like Okogie as a late 1st. I dislike burning a top 20 pick on him. Thin line, but that's the divide between him being a somewhat raw talent with few flaws, and a raw talent with some flaws which might be hard to overcome.
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Re: Josh Okogie 

Post#60 » by WinterSoldier » Mon May 28, 2018 8:58 am

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:
WinterSoldier wrote:The more I watch the more he reminds me of Oladipo, they have similar size, athleticism, body type and skill set. They both have ball handling as their big concern coming out of college.

His functional athleticism isn't anywhere near Oladipo. He's not very quick with the ball in his hands nor does he play above the rim often, and never does in traffic. It's a major concern about him that people aren't talking about enough.


On this thread, it's been talked about his rim issues. There is no perfect prospect at 19 years old, these issues are easily fixable imo and do not worry me in the least. If it were my decision I would draft him without hesitation.

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