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jayu70 wrote:Sothron wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:
What in the...
He's talking about being as right as my dad is in draft picks...or at least that's what I hope he meant.
With Spud you never know though
atlantabbq99 wrote:You keep talking about teachable weaknesses, but never explaining what you mean. I'm guessing you're referring to strengths like foot work, balance, positioning , and IQ all being above average?
birdlives_ma wrote:atlantabbq99 wrote:You keep talking about teachable weaknesses, but never explaining what you mean. I'm guessing you're referring to strengths like foot work, balance, positioning , and IQ all being above average?
Yeah, I think that's what he means. Marvin's run/jump athleticism are world-class, and he's got a really well-rounded skill-set for an 18-year old. (It gets lost in the shuffle, but he's a year younger than Ayton/Doncic). The thing I think really makes him special is his body control, though. I don't think I've ever seen someone so big and so smooth. Maybe Giannis, but Marvin's already got about 10 lbs on him.
atlantabbq99 wrote:You keep talking about teachable weaknesses, but never explaining what you mean. I'm guessing you're referring to strengths like foot work, balance, positioning , and IQ all being above average?
King Ken wrote:birdlives_ma wrote:atlantabbq99 wrote:You keep talking about teachable weaknesses, but never explaining what you mean. I'm guessing you're referring to strengths like foot work, balance, positioning , and IQ all being above average?
Yeah, I think that's what he means. Marvin's run/jump athleticism are world-class, and he's got a really well-rounded skill-set for an 18-year old. (It gets lost in the shuffle, but he's a year younger than Ayton/Doncic). The thing I think really makes him special is his body control, though. I don't think I've ever seen someone so big and so smooth. Maybe Giannis, but Marvin's already got about 10 lbs on him.
Yep. But his core strength was weak. His mindset was to do what it takes to win but he didn't have much in intangibles. He couldn't beat Jawad Williams for a starting role. He played reserve minutes but scouts made excuses after excuse. He just wasn't a star.
Jamaaliver wrote:
The future is looking bright for the NBA’s Atlanta Hawks organization thanks to team owner, Jami Gertz! She’s ‘in it to win it’ when it comes to revamping the organization and she’s not messing around! — ‘I want championships!’
Sir Charles in Charge2018 NBA Draft: The Atlanta Hawks hold all the cards at No. 3
Why the Atlanta Hawks hold all the cards with the third overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft
Even though there will be a ton of smoke over the next few weeks, leading up to the NBA Draft, I firmly believe that in the end the two top picks in the draft will still end up being Luka Doncic and DeAndre Ayton.
Assuming that Doncic and Ayton are off the board at that point, they will have a number of different options. They could really use any talent they can get, so perhaps taking the best player available would be the way to go.
A few names to keep in mind, however, are Jaren Jackson Jr., who believe could be the best big to come out of this draft when he reaches his potential. The big problem with a selection like that, however, is that it could take some time for him to reach said potential. He’s raw and is going to need some time to develop.
Another candidate at No. 3 is Marvin Bagely, who is another big that will make a bigger difference right away. He averaged 20 and 11 for Duke during his freshman campaign, and will likely be a day 1 contributor for the Hawks.
Mo Bamba is another big that the Hawks to take at No. 3, who is barely beginning to scratch the surface of the player that he can be. He’s a freakish athlete with insane measurements. He would fit right in with any team.
Then, there is Michael Porter Jr., who if healthy, might’ve been the top pick in the draft. But because we haven’t really seen him play much in the last year, it’s hard to take him with the first few picks in the draft. If the Hawks firmly believe that he is the best player in this draft, they could think that getting him at No. 3 is a steal.
Depending on what the Hawks do with the third pick, this NBA Draft can turn on a dime.
Jamaaliver wrote:Sir Charles in Charge2018 NBA Draft: The Atlanta Hawks hold all the cards at No. 3
Why the Atlanta Hawks hold all the cards with the third overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft
Even though there will be a ton of smoke over the next few weeks, leading up to the NBA Draft, I firmly believe that in the end the two top picks in the draft will still end up being Luka Doncic and DeAndre Ayton.
Assuming that Doncic and Ayton are off the board at that point, they will have a number of different options. They could really use any talent they can get, so perhaps taking the best player available would be the way to go.
A few names to keep in mind, however, are Jaren Jackson Jr., who believe could be the best big to come out of this draft when he reaches his potential. The big problem with a selection like that, however, is that it could take some time for him to reach said potential. He’s raw and is going to need some time to develop.
Another candidate at No. 3 is Marvin Bagely, who is another big that will make a bigger difference right away. He averaged 20 and 11 for Duke during his freshman campaign, and will likely be a day 1 contributor for the Hawks.
Mo Bamba is another big that the Hawks to take at No. 3, who is barely beginning to scratch the surface of the player that he can be. He’s a freakish athlete with insane measurements. He would fit right in with any team.
Then, there is Michael Porter Jr., who if healthy, might’ve been the top pick in the draft. But because we haven’t really seen him play much in the last year, it’s hard to take him with the first few picks in the draft. If the Hawks firmly believe that he is the best player in this draft, they could think that getting him at No. 3 is a steal.
Depending on what the Hawks do with the third pick, this NBA Draft can turn on a dime.
Spud2nique wrote:It only gets hotter and sexier from here...pretty soon it’s Bagley vs Bamba vs JJJ and more....exciting time to be a Hawks fan!
Jamaaliver wrote:Spud2nique wrote:It only gets hotter and sexier from here...pretty soon it’s Bagley vs Bamba vs JJJ and more....exciting time to be a Hawks fan!
Sadly, it doesn't look like we'll get those matchups:
Jamaaliver wrote:Spud2nique wrote:It only gets hotter and sexier from here...pretty soon it’s Bagley vs Bamba vs JJJ and more....exciting time to be a Hawks fan!
Sadly, it doesn't look like we'll get those matchups:
Spud2nique wrote:Ya I heard this from others ...I hate this. I understand injuries but put these guys up against each other in one on ones. That’s kind of the only way not to get fooled on Marvin Williams again ..I mean JJJ...I mean..
Jamaaliver wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Ya I heard this from others ...I hate this. I understand injuries but put these guys up against each other in one on ones. That’s kind of the only way not to get fooled on Marvin Williams again ..I mean JJJ...I mean..
You are not wrong.
I do remember hearing CP3 and others say that he had a stellar workout with us when we had #2.
So, it kind of comes down to eye of beholder.
All the chatter about us possibly moving back tells me we're not in love with Bagley or JJJ as franchise cornerstones.
I am relieved.
macd-gm wrote:Wanting to move back just makes me think that Travis is after Trae.
Peachtree HoopsAtlanta Hawks included as one of four teams to host Trae Young for pre-NBA Draft workout
The polarizing guard is coming to town
This will certainly increase the volume of whispers that the Hawks are (very) interested in Young in advance of the draft, particularly when Schlenk at least tangentially noted the possibility of a trade down the board on or before June 21.
Young is perhaps the most polarizing player in this class, with some evaluating him as a potential franchise cornerstone based on his considerable offensive upside, particularly in the area of shot creation and passing. On the flip side, others evaluate Young as a very risky proposition, citing his woeful collegiate defense and a potentially shaky conversion to the NBA level.
At this point, those evaluations may not change much but the Hawks are going to be evaluating Young in person and Atlanta is the only team currently holding a top-five pick that is poised to do so.
NBA.comDavid Aldridge wrote:Aldridge: A Look At Who NBA Teams Could Target Come 2018 Draft
Atlanta Hawks
First-round picks: No. 3, No. 19 and No. 30
Needs: Frontcourt scoring, defense
There are scenarios where Doncic falls to three — if the Suns take Ayton first and the Kings go for Bagley at two. If that happens, the Hawks will have an interesting choice to make. Doncic’s talents are obvious and the Hawks need to add as much talent as they can, especially at the top of the Draft. Bagley would obviously be a no-brainer here if Ayton and Doncic go 1-2. But the Hawks do need defensive help as well, as they were bottom 10 in points allowed (108.8) and Defensive Rating (108.2) this season. John Collins, Atlanta’s first-rounder last year, was a good start, but the Hawks could use more help, and Jackson — the Big 10’s Defensive Player of the Year as a freshman — has all kinds of defensive pedigree. There would probably be some spacing issues and overlap at the start if you played Jackson and Collins together, but in time, many scouts think Jackson will be more than credible as a stretch four. And for a team that’s thinking long-term rebuild, the 18-year-old Jackson makes all kinds of sense; he should be entering his prime while still in his early 20s, perfect for the Hawks’ timeline.
If Atlanta keeps its two other first-round picks it’s hard to see the Hawks not going for even more wing length to complete Taurean Prince and DeAndre’ Bembry, or a two who can put the ball in the basket. Creighton’s Thomas showed he could score and defend multiple positions in college; Oregon’s Brown has length; Bates-Diop got better and better in three seasons in Columbus.
But it would surprise if Atlanta holds onto all of its firsts this year. The Hawks have two more first-round picks coming in 2019 and they have enormous cap space and flexibility. They could use No. 19 and 30 in combination to move up in this year’s Draft, package them for another potential first next year or sell them off piecemeal to teams without 2018 firsts (a list that currently includes Houston, Toronto, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Detroit and Miami).
