2018 NBA Draft Thread

[LuessiT]

They're only on the fringe of even getting drafted, but I continue to irrationally like Jevon Carter and Sagaba Konate.

I was very high on Jevon but the more I watch film the more I'm down on his jumper. Konate for me is not a 5 and only valueable if you project him to ever develope a 3-point shot.

Konate can be a 5 for spurts and bringing him in as a physical energy for 10-15 minutes is probably his best role. He is about an inch taller, with about another 1.5 inches of standing reach bigger than Draymon with 3.5 inches more standing vert and 2 inches more max vert all while being 10 pounds heavier.

I am not saying he is Green or will be anything like him, but just saying that while undersized, I think he can work at the 5 in spurts. I mean on offense he is going to be setting screens, scrapping and running to the rim. On defense, you obviously want him muscling out bigs and helping protect the rim, which he showed he could do at a really high level.

Green offers ball handling, passing, can switch onto guards, can shoot some and is a great team defender. My problem is you are describing big man things but then I don't get why you'd rather play Konate over a 6'11+ center who just by nature will be better at any of those things on average.
If Konate can shoot it's a different case. And his FT% is giving me some confidence he'll get there. But he's 6'8 and doesn't possess any advanced skill yet (promise, sure) that makes playing him instead of a 6'11+ center a good option. He's going to give up a ton of boards by being smaller than the opposition, he's not going to get anywhere close to his current block rate since he lacks reach for his position, he's not going to be a worse lob target than taller bigs, etc.. I'd give him a go in summer league but to me that guy shouldn't get drafted unless he's close to an NBA-ready 3 point shot. G-League, sure. But not drafted.

[LuessiT]

Will you be disappointed if AARON HOLIDAY is the pick?

I think he barely should get drafted so yeah.

[machu46]

Will you be disappointed if AARON HOLIDAY is the pick?

I’d be okay with it. He isn’t my first choice or anything but in the very least he can shoot and do a little bit of everything else.


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[M-C-G]

I was very high on Jevon but the more I watch film the more I'm down on his jumper. Konate for me is not a 5 and only valueable if you project him to ever develope a 3-point shot.

Konate can be a 5 for spurts and bringing him in as a physical energy for 10-15 minutes is probably his best role. He is about an inch taller, with about another 1.5 inches of standing reach bigger than Draymon with 3.5 inches more standing vert and 2 inches more max vert all while being 10 pounds heavier.

I am not saying he is Green or will be anything like him, but just saying that while undersized, I think he can work at the 5 in spurts. I mean on offense he is going to be setting screens, scrapping and running to the rim. On defense, you obviously want him muscling out bigs and helping protect the rim, which he showed he could do at a really high level.

Green offers ball handling, passing, can switch onto guards, can shoot some and is a great team defender. My problem is you are describing big man things but then I don't get why you'd rather play Konate over a 6'11+ center who just by nature will be better at any of those things on average.
If Konate can shoot it's a different case. And his FT% is giving me some confidence he'll get there. But he's 6'8 and doesn't possess any advanced skill yet (promise, sure) that makes playing him instead of a 6'11+ center a good option. He's going to give up a ton of boards by being smaller than the opposition, he's not going to get anywhere close to his current block rate since he lacks reach for his position, he's not going to be a worse lob target than taller bigs, etc.. I'd give him a go in summer league but to me that guy shouldn't get drafted unless he's close to an NBA-ready 3 point shot. G-League, sure. But not drafted.

Yeah that is fair, I hear where you are coming from, but I have also seen tons of 6'11 guys that can't time blocks, can't play with energy, can't set a decent pick, can't do **** other than be 6'11. I have no problem with anybody that wants to pass on him because of that height, I get it, but if they are physical and can box out, we have a 7 foot PF that can help offset some of the rebounding issues.

I'd be happy with Konate on a two way. But if he doesn't get some kind of promise to be drafted in the second, he is probably going back to school anyway. I would personally buy a second round pick and bring him, but don't begrudge anyone for going a different direction.

[LuessiT]

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Oh boy. Going to have to watch some film.

[M-C-G]

Will you be disappointed if AARON HOLIDAY is the pick?

I mean, I guess if we traded down to the end of the first round, but at 17 there are so many options that should be there

[LuessiT]

Konate can be a 5 for spurts and bringing him in as a physical energy for 10-15 minutes is probably his best role. He is about an inch taller, with about another 1.5 inches of standing reach bigger than Draymon with 3.5 inches more standing vert and 2 inches more max vert all while being 10 pounds heavier.

I am not saying he is Green or will be anything like him, but just saying that while undersized, I think he can work at the 5 in spurts. I mean on offense he is going to be setting screens, scrapping and running to the rim. On defense, you obviously want him muscling out bigs and helping protect the rim, which he showed he could do at a really high level.

Green offers ball handling, passing, can switch onto guards, can shoot some and is a great team defender. My problem is you are describing big man things but then I don't get why you'd rather play Konate over a 6'11+ center who just by nature will be better at any of those things on average.
If Konate can shoot it's a different case. And his FT% is giving me some confidence he'll get there. But he's 6'8 and doesn't possess any advanced skill yet (promise, sure) that makes playing him instead of a 6'11+ center a good option. He's going to give up a ton of boards by being smaller than the opposition, he's not going to get anywhere close to his current block rate since he lacks reach for his position, he's not going to be a worse lob target than taller bigs, etc.. I'd give him a go in summer league but to me that guy shouldn't get drafted unless he's close to an NBA-ready 3 point shot. G-League, sure. But not drafted.

Yeah that is fair, I hear where you are coming from, but I have also seen tons of 6'11 guys that can't time blocks, can't play with energy, can't set a decent pick, can't do **** other than be 6'11. I have no problem with anybody that wants to pass on him because of that height, I get it, but if they are physical and can box out, we have a 7 foot PF that can help offset some of the rebounding issues.

I'd be happy with Konate on a two way. But if he doesn't get some kind of promise to be drafted in the second, he is probably going back to school anyway. I would personally buy a second round pick and bring him, but don't begrudge anyone for going a different direction.

I mean I do think we'll see him in the NBA some day. But that will be once he has a 3 point shot (or developes another skill we can't phantom about right now). That might take him quite a bit. I also think he could have a very nice career in Europe.

[jakecronus8]

My board for realistic targets is pretty much at a standstill and I can't really put these guys in any order.

Robert Williams-He is the one semi realistic target I have far and away above the others. I think he ends up somewhere between Tristan Thompson and prime insane shot blocker sanders. Needs to add a bit of weight but projects to be a low usage rebounder/rim protector. Pretty much exactly what the Bucks need at center.

Dzanan Musa-reminds me of a Peja/Turkoglu mash up. Very young and needs to be more consistent with his jumper but very advanced offensive skills for his age.

Grayson Allen- I just can't see a scenario where he's not an effective NBA player for a long time. jack of most trades guy. Lower ceiling and low bust potential. I've been on his jock since he was a freshman.

Isaac Bonga- he's Bucks DNA and is not 100% to stay in the draft but reminds me a bit of young Giannis at the same stage, albeit not nearly the stop and go athlete. Could legit play some point at 6'9.

Gary Trent Jr- Though he'd be in a logjam position wise, he can straight up stroke it. Can't have enough shooters on any team.

Elie Okobo-Starting to build some hype. Some comparisons I've seen are Schroder while some liken him to Mitchell. If he ends up like either that's good value at 17.

Other names I could be talked into: DiVincenzo, Huerter, Khyri, Shake. Basically there's a lot of guys in our range that id he happy with. Would love to get two of these guys.

[LuessiT]

Elie Okobo-Starting to build some hype. Some comparisons I've seen are Schroder while some liken him to Mitchell. If he ends up like either that's good value at 17.

I think both those comparisons are beyond awful. He's an average athlete at best and lives from his shooting and distributing (which has made a major leap and is very exciting since he's not been playing PG for long). Should have potential on D but has a lack of effort.

[ReasonablySober]

Was I the first person to bring up Okobo here? If he's good I'm taking a victory lap, obviously.

[ReasonablySober]

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[emunney]

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Impressive stuff well beyond the shooting here.

Also that's Aaron Craft defending him.

[LuessiT]

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Impressive stuff well beyond the shooting here.

Also that's Aaron Craft defending him.

What impresses me most is his passing developement. He wasn't a natural PG and has been learning the position only recently. The amount of developement he's gone through in such short time is incredible.

[emunney]

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Impressive stuff well beyond the shooting here.

Also that's Aaron Craft defending him.

What impresses me most is his passing developement. He wasn't a natural PG and has been learning the position only recently. The amount of developement he's gone through in such short time is incredible.

Yeah the passes in this clip are very fun.

[drone3]

Woaw, hello Okobo...

[emunney]

Obviously shooting lights out is feeding that hesi, but he sure was freezing dudes.

[LuessiT]

Impressive stuff well beyond the shooting here.

Also that's Aaron Craft defending him.

What impresses me most is his passing developement. He wasn't a natural PG and has been learning the position only recently. The amount of developement he's gone through in such short time is incredible.

Yeah the passes in this clip are very fun.

I mean he's always had some passes that make your eyes pop but he's improved his A/TO ratio by avery high level over the course of the season. The jab steps are also a big part of his game. And keep in mind european basketball doesn't revolve as much around guard play. He's so ready for the NBA.

[machu46]

Obviously shooting lights out is feeding that hesi, but he sure was freezing dudes.

Yeah that hesitation reminds me a bit of watching Isaiah last year.

Who would people compare this kid to? He reminds me a little bit of Jeremy Lin maybe. I’m trying to fight the tendency to compare lefties to lefties and that’s the name that jumps out to me. Really interesting prospect.


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[emunney]

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