2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Lauri didn't really have all that much opportunity to put the ball on the floor when he was in college, and we saw more glimpses of it during his international play.

Perhaps he just wasn't afford the opportunity to do that in college, which wouldn't surprise me because college head coaches can hold certain players back for the benefit of the 'team'.

I'm going to hold back on firm judgement on this aspect of his game until he plays in the NBA.

No, Lauri attacked closeouts in college. He’s obviously more comfortable putting the ball on the floor in the NBA, but the seeds were there.

My issue with Carter is I don’t recall him seeing him do it ever. Not live. Not in highlights. And that’s going back to high school, so it’s not a Duke thing. If someone has a link I’ve overlooked, please hit me with it. I would genuinely prefer to like the guy who we’re likely to draft at 7.

This isn't attacking a closeout, but I thought the play around 1:45 was a rather impressive display of ball handling and dexterity for someone his size.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah it’s a little different. Sick move for a guy his size, though. I’ll give you that.

[RememberLu]

No, Lauri attacked closeouts in college. He’s obviously more comfortable putting the ball on the floor in the NBA, but the seeds were there.

My issue with Carter is I don’t recall him seeing him do it ever. Not live. Not in highlights. And that’s going back to high school, so it’s not a Duke thing. If someone has a link I’ve overlooked, please hit me with it. I would genuinely prefer to like the guy who we’re likely to draft at 7.

This isn't attacking a closeout, but I thought the play around 1:45 was a rather impressive display of ball handling and dexterity for someone his size.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah it’s a little different. Sick move for a guy his size, though. I’ll give you that.

Yup that stood out to me, too. When do you see a center doing that?

[TheFinishSniper]

I simply don’t think there’s is enough sample size to definitively say whether Carter can or can’t attack close outs is my point.

Oh I agree with you that. This kind of thing can only confirm a person who followed Wendell Carter for years now and watched him play. Because there is no HS or college footage him doing it. That's why he is in our range and not for #1 overall.

Background check and workouts will be important here.

[fleet]

I am calling Porter "Schrödinger's cat" he is simultaneously a generational talent and a bust.

Except against the common thinking Schrödinger didnt mean that it can be both the same time but that the theory is incomplete and cannot represent reality so its either one or the other . Other than that, clever thinkin !

So kinda he is the cat .

Yeah, he definitely is a Schrödinger's cat. He can be either a bust or a generational talent, but since we haven't observed which, he is still essentially both - until observations are made and the wave function collapses to one of the possible states

There's plenty of room in between, however due to the political extremist nature of modern man, we can't acknowledge this.

[NewEra21]

I think Okobo just blew up - he had 44 on 17 shots. Would be an awesome pick at 22 if he's available, see hin rising beyond that though.

If Phoenix goes Ayton #1 they could roll the dice and get Okobo at 16 since they still need a PG

[TheSuzerain]

I don't see Porter busting unless his medical is truly messed up.

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

He's right there with Lauri in terms of talent. I question how MPJ will fit into a team concept and have no such questions about Lauri.

[Truebiscuit]

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

[TheSuzerain]

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

Don’t care. He can shoot.

[Chicagoat]

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

3 games from injury? C'mon man. Beside his shot isn't completely broken, he was shooting 77.8% from the line. Meaning his shooting can translate.

[jump]

Foot speed isn’t the only ingredient to attacking close outs... but it’s the ingredient Carter’s missing. He’s an intelligent player that seemingly understands angles, and he’s reasonably coordinated. If you have another explanation as to why he never put the ball on the floor when his jumpshot was contested, I’m all ears.

Oh and both Lauri and Horford are a good deal quicker with the ball than Carter.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Lauri didn't really have all that much opportunity to put the ball on the floor when he was in college, and we saw more glimpses of it during his international play.

Perhaps he just wasn't afford the opportunity to do that in college, which wouldn't surprise me because college head coaches can hold certain players back for the benefit of the 'team'.

I'm going to hold back on firm judgement on this aspect of his game until he plays in the NBA.

No, Lauri attacked closeouts in college. He’s obviously more comfortable putting the ball on the floor in the NBA, but the seeds were there.

My issue with Carter is I don’t recall him seeing him do it ever. Not live. Not in highlights. And that’s going back to high school, so it’s not a Duke thing. If someone has a link I’ve overlooked, please hit me with it. I would genuinely prefer to like the guy who we’re likely to draft at 7.

Actually I've seen him do it twice in the Duke Carter highlight video. He handled it quite deftly.

[Truebiscuit]

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

3 games from injury? C'mon man. Beside his shot isn't completely broken, he was shooting 77.8% from the line. Meaning his shooting can translate.

He's a sharp-shooting, 6'11" human being who is reasonably coordinated.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

Don’t care. He can shoot.

I haven't watched him play much so I honestly can't say either way. Are you basing his shooting prowess off his high school production?

[biggestbullsfan]

The more i look at Carter, the more i wonder what he has that we don’t already have in Portis...

[Chicago-Bull-E]

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

3 games from injury? C'mon man. Beside his shot isn't completely broken, he was shooting 77.8% from the line. Meaning his shooting can translate.

**pulls up MPJ's Mizzou numbers from the 3 games he played **

33.3% FG
77.8% FT
30% 3PT

Don’t care. He can shoot.

I haven't watched him play much so I honestly can't say either way. Are you basing his shooting prowess off his high school production?

Grade school production.

[Habs72]

Nice story about Carter, made at the end of January this year. He has pretty much started playin more face up at college, so i would guess he is quite quick learner and a team player for sure.

"Carter needed time to learn to play facing the basket, a job he rarely filled in high school. He needed to understand how to find the best shot on each possession -- not just for him, but for anyone. At Pace, he'd been the primary scorer and rebounder, and so the other jobs were left for the supporting cast. Now that's exactly the role he's been cast to play.

The funny thing is, Carter wasn't intimidated. He embraced the role."

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22265305/duke-blue-devils-freshman-wendell-carter-jr-learning-how-play-spotlight-marvin-bagley-iii

[Habs72]

The more i look at Carter, the more i wonder what he has that we don’t already have in Portis...

Really? IQ and defense to start with...

[kodo]

DX report on Dejounte Murray:

Defensively, Murray's long arms and excellent instincts give him some potential to grow into, but he was largely ineffective on this end of the floor as a freshman. He doesn't put much effort into this part of his game at this stage of his career, as he has poor fundamentals and isn't particularly attentive either. His lack of strength made it easy for players to bulldoze their way straight through him, he rarely gives a second effort after getting beat, and often looks very upright just standing straight up off the ball. -

Now he's All-NBA Defense, 2nd team.

[NDave79]

I think it's safe to say Porter's probably a pretty good shooter. Free throw shooting is generally considered a good gauge for shooting potential. Here is how he performed in the EYBL in 2015 and 2016 broken down into regular season and post season. Even in high school, a free throw is technically the same as it is in college or the pros.

.865 (14 games)
.971 (5 games)
.812 (16 games)
.865 (8 games)

https://www.d1circuit.com/page/show/3927666-mokan-elite-ks-

[TheHrvReport]

Mikal Bridges over Carter any day of the week

[WindyCityBorn]

Not excited about Carter, but that would be a Hell a lot more preferable than drafting Mikal Bridges. Good to see is looking much less likely to end up in Chicago.

[Benedict Miller]

This isn't attacking a closeout, but I thought the play around 1:45 was a rather impressive display of ball handling and dexterity for someone his size.

Watch on YouTube

Yeah it’s a little different. Sick move for a guy his size, though. I’ll give you that.

Yup that stood out to me, too. When do you see a center doing that?

Jahlil Okafor could that in high school