chris paul is better than steph curry

[Lost92Bricks]

What is Thompson better than Griffin at other than shooting? Defensively it's a push, but Griffin is a better and more consistent overall scorer, infinitely better on the boards and around the rim, and a better creator/playmaker.

Really, the only definitive skill that Thompson has over Griffin is the three point shot, but other than that, I'm not picking up what you're putting down. I think you're massively underrating Griffin here due to some recency bias.

Anyways, those Clippers teams the Paul lead were absolutely stacked. Especially from 13-15.

What is Curry better than Paul at besides shooting lol

The only definitive skill that Curry has over Paul is the three point shot.

[clyde21]

What is Thompson better than Griffin at other than shooting? Defensively it's a push, but Griffin is a better and more consistent overall scorer, infinitely better on the boards and around the rim, and a better creator/playmaker.

Really, the only definitive skill that Thompson has over Griffin is the three point shot, but other than that, I'm not picking up what you're putting down. I think you're massively underrating Griffin here due to some recency bias.

Anyways, those Clippers teams the Paul lead were absolutely stacked. Especially from 13-15.

What is Curry better than Paul at besides shooting lol

The only definitive skill that Curry has over Paul is the three point shot.

Overall shooting, scoring, more efficient, better off-ball player in every sense of the word: cutting, slashing, setting picks/screens, better at getting to the basket, more versatile etc.

That was a nice dodge, though, props.

[Lost92Bricks]

Overall shooting, scoring, more efficient, better off-ball player in every sense of the word: cutting, slashing, setting picks/screens, better at getting to the basket, more versatile etc.

That was a nice dodge, though, props.

So basically scoring-related things like shooting and playing off the ball.

Those are the things Thompson is better than Griffin at. Along with defense.

[clyde21]

Overall shooting, scoring, more efficient, better off-ball player in every sense of the word: cutting, slashing, setting picks/screens, better at getting to the basket, more versatile etc.

That was a nice dodge, though, props.

So basically scoring-related things like shooting and playing off the ball.

Those are the things Thompson is better than Griffin at. Along with defense.

Playing off-ball is playing off-ball. It's what allows the Warriors to run so many different sets and lineups, it's what creates so much spacing and gravity, it's what allows Curry to score more efficiently and in more ways than Paul. You're trying to generalize the skill set as much as possible in an effort to dilute Curry's impact, and it's wrong.

And what makes Thompson a better defender than Griffin?

[Lost92Bricks]

Playing off-ball is playing off-ball. It's what allows the Warriors to run so many different sets and lineups, it's what creates so much spacing and gravity, it's what allows Curry to score more efficiently and in more ways than Paul. You're trying to generalize the skill set as much as possible in an effort to dilute Curry's impact, and it's wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with you about that. That is one of the advantages Curry has over Paul. Klay also has those same advantages over Griffin.

And what makes Thompson a better defender than Griffin?

How about he fact that he and NOT Curry is the one checking all the elite guards?

Which allows them to be able to hide Curry on defense?

Could you imagine if Curry was on a team without any perimeter defenders like say...the Clippers? How much energy he would have to exert on both ends which could affect his offense?

[clyde21]

Playing off-ball is playing off-ball. It's what allows the Warriors to run so many different sets and lineups, it's what creates so much spacing and gravity, it's what allows Curry to score more efficiently and in more ways than Paul. You're trying to generalize the skill set as much as possible in an effort to dilute Curry's impact, and it's wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with you about that. That is one of the advantages Curry has over Paul. Klay also has those same advantages over Griffin.

And what makes Thompson a better defender than Griffin?

How about he fact that he and NOT Curry is the one checking all the elite guards?

Which allows them to be able to hide Curry on defense? And keeps him from exerting energy on both ends?

Could you imagine if Curry was on a team without any perimeter defenders like say...the Clippers? How much that would affect his offense?

The problem is that Thompson literally cannot create shots on his own. 85% of his shots are assisted. The vast majority of his looks are manufactured via the off-ball action and Steph/Dray finding him on those clean cuts he makes. That's essentially his entire game.

Griffin, on the other hand, is not only a better creator for himself, but a better create for his teammates (he's actually one of the best passing bigs in the game), is an infinitely better rebounder even when you take into account positions, is a more consistent and reliable scorer, and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between them defensively.

I just don't see how you could legitimately say that Thompson is a better player than Griffin in a vacuum. Maybe you can say that Thompson is better at what HE does than what at Griffin does, but overall IMO Griffin is just the better overall player.

[Lost92Bricks]

The problem is that Thompson literally cannot create shots on his own. 85% of his shots are assisted. The vast majority of his looks are manufactured via the off-ball action and Steph/Dray finding him on those clean cuts he makes. That's essentially his entire game.

Griffin, on the other hand, is not only a better creator for himself, but a better create for his teammates (he's actually one of the best passing bigs in the game), is an infinitely better rebounder even when you take into account positions, is a more consistent and reliable scorer, and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between them defensively.

The same thing can be said about Griffin.

He is not good at creating his own shot either. Like 60-70% of his shots were assisted.

This year was the first year he was assisted on <50% of his shots and he shot a career low 49 eFG%. Terrible efficiency for a big.

[clyde21]

The problem is that Thompson literally cannot create shots on his own. 85% of his shots are assisted. The vast majority of his looks are manufactured via the off-ball action and Steph/Dray finding him on those clean cuts he makes. That's essentially his entire game.

Griffin, on the other hand, is not only a better creator for himself, but a better create for his teammates (he's actually one of the best passing bigs in the game), is an infinitely better rebounder even when you take into account positions, is a more consistent and reliable scorer, and there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between them defensively.

The same thing can be said about Griffin.

He is not good at creating his own shot. Like 60-70% of his shots were assisted.

This year was the first year he was assisted on <50% of his shots and he shot a career low 49 eFG%. Terrible efficiency for a big.

He's much better than Thompson at it, because he has an inside game that makes him a more reliable scorer and basket-getter when the structure breaks down.

And this year he plays with literally no guards. In LA Beverley and Teodosic both got hurt early and in Detroit they had Ish fricking Smith running the offense. Come on.

[Lost92Bricks]

He's much better than Thompson at it, because he has an inside game that makes him a more reliable scorer and basket-getter when the structure breaks down.

And this year he plays with literally no guards. In LA Beverley and Teodosic both got hurt early and in Detroit they had Ish fricking Smith running the offense. Come on.

He had Lou Williams who almost made the all-star game. In fact, Lou was considered the best player on the team this season when Blake was on it. Blake still shot career low numbers and played losing basketball.

Then he gets traded to the Pistons and they go 11-14 and miss the playoffs.

His career record without Paul is abysmal. He couldn't even make the playoffs in the east with an all-star teammate like Andre Drummond.

Yeah, I'm taking Klay over him.

[NO-KG-AI]

Klay is just so much more versatile and better as an off ball player and defender that there are just way more holes he plugs on good teams and with making things easier for other elite players.

Blake is an offensive guy that you really don’t want operating your offense full time compared to these other guys, and not much else other than that.

Maybe some rebuilding teams would rather Blake carry the load. But any good team with good players is going to prefer possibly the second best shooter ever who can guard 1-2-3.


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[clyde21]

He's much better than Thompson at it, because he has an inside game that makes him a more reliable scorer and basket-getter when the structure breaks down.

And this year he plays with literally no guards. In LA Beverley and Teodosic both got hurt early and in Detroit they had Ish fricking Smith running the offense. Come on.

He had Lou Williams who almost made the all-star game. In fact, Lou was considered the best player on the team this season when Blake was on it. Blake still shot career low numbers and played losing basketball.

Then he gets traded to the Pistons and they go 11-14 and miss the playoffs.

His career record without Paul is abysmal. He couldn't even make the playoffs in the east with an all-star teammate like Andre Drummond.

Yeah, I'm taking Klay over him.

I wonder what Klay's record would be without Steph, but his shooting numbers (you know, his only REAL elite asset), drop off dramatically when he's on his own.

But it's easy to take Thompson when he's in such a confined and perfect role for his skill set, I get it.

[Lost92Bricks]

I wonder what Klay's record would be without Steph, but his shooting numbers (you know, his only REAL elite asset), drop off dramatically when he's on his own.

But it's easy to take Thompson when he's in such a confined and perfect role for his skill set, I get it.

Curry is also in a perfect role. On a team with elite defenders covering up for him and multiple playmakers taking pressure off of him offensively.

Playing with two finals MVP's and on teams capable of winning playoff series without him.

I honestly think they all benefit from eachother in different ways. I don't think any of them would be as good individually on other teams.

[clyde21]

I wonder what Klay's record would be without Steph, but his shooting numbers (you know, his only REAL elite asset), drop off dramatically when he's on his own.

But it's easy to take Thompson when he's in such a confined and perfect role for his skill set, I get it.

Curry is also in a perfect role. On a team with elite defenders covering up for him and multiple playmakers taking pressure off of him offensively.

Playing with two finals MVP's and on teams capable of winning playoff series without him.

I honestly think they all benefit from eachother in different ways. I don't think any of them would be as good on other teams.

What does that even mean "taking pressure off of him?" You do realize that when Curry is on the bench our scoring, shooting percentages and pace drops dramatically, right? It seems like he's the one taking pressure off of everyone else, not the other way around.

And the notion that Curry is in the perfect system for him is true only because the his skill set is what makes THIS system to go. But even in Mark Jackson's cluster ISO offense he was an elite player that led the Warriors to 50+ wins and almost took out Paul's elite Clippers team in the POs despite being undermanned and outgunned back in '13-14.

[Lost92Bricks]

What does that even mean "taking pressure off of him?" You do realize that when Curry is on the bench our scoring, shooting percentages and pace drops dramatically, right? It seems like he's the one taking pressure off of everyone else, not the other way around.

And the notion that Curry is in the perfect system for him is true only because the his skill set is what makes THIS system to go. But even in Mark Jackson's cluster ISO offense he was an elite player that led the Warriors to 50+ wins and almost took out Paul's elite Clippers team in the POs despite being undermanned and outgunned back in '13-14.

Key word: Almost

He lost that series and could possibly lose this current series as well (which shouldn't happen with 4 all-stars). That would make him 0-2 against Paul in the playoffs.

Seems like when the two have similar teammates they have similar success.

[Vayuputra]

Paul is the more complete player- much better playmaker and defender. Curry is a much better 3 pt shooter, has a scorer's mentality and a willing off-ball player unlike Paul, and thus able to play within a system alongside other All-Stars. Paul has more of an old-school mindset where he has to have the ball at all times and control the game, which isn't necessarily bad since he has all the ability to do so.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Curry looks pretty average so far today, which is significantly better than what Paul's doing.

[MrMcglock]

he really is better

[NO-KG-AI]

Curry looks pretty average so far today, which is significantly better than what Paul's doing.

I learned not to even post in this series till the game is over. Because it seems like every star in the series is sucking and then having a huge streak of 10-12 minutes to turn the tide

[thekdog34]

Why not run more pnr or motion with Curry? He had six assists and was getting penetration plus open looks for himself and teammates (just not hitting from 3)

The Durant isos are absolutely painful. Zero assists again

[clyde21]

You'd think Paul had a monster game tonight with the way everyone's talking about him, and then you realize he shot 6-19 and was a game-low -13.