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D21 wrote:What do you think about this guy ? He seems to goes higher each week. Still between 40th and 30th (nbadraft.net has ATL picking him at 30) but will end higher.
Last playoffs game Vs the best team this season in french league : 44pts (25 between 3rd quarter buzzer beater and 4th quarter)
Last year scouting report :
Jamaaliver wrote:Comparable to Barbosa, maybe?
I think #19 might be too high
Jamaaliver wrote:King Ken wrote:Jamaal, what's your top 10 prospects?
I've been hesitant to go on record. I've analyzed these kids so much I'm going crazy:
Top Tier
1) Ayton - All Time talent and potential. But I suspect he is not prepared for the rigors of fame. He also seems kinda lazy.
2) Doncic - Great passer, above avg ball skills for his size, capable shooter, unselfish, competitive. But the lack of foot speed is an issue.
3) M Porter, Jr. - Before the injury, he was the consensus #1 player coming into the draft class. His agility, size and shooting make him a formidable offensive weapon. He needs to get stronger and improve the ball handling. He also has a polarizing personality that rubs teammates wrong. Rarely passes the ball. He has the game of Glen Rice with the ego/confidence of Carmelo.
4) Bagley III - The production will be there. He's just naturally gifted. But the holes in his game are real and he'll have trouble in the playoffs where teams can out scheme his production. He should be a more effective perimeter defender.
Second Tier
5) Mo Bamba - He may not be Gobert/Mutombo. But he'll rebound and block shots like crazy. He is very weak and has to improve his offense. He clearly can impact a game, but can he decide a playoff series or carry a franchise? Doubtful.
6) Trae Young - A gamble that should put up numbers...but may not be efficient enough to win behind. His defense will be so terrible, the offense may not matter. Will have to play a similar role to Isaiah Thomas in Boston. He'll need teammates willing to defer and cover for him defensively.
7) Wendell Carter - Unspectacular. But few holes in his game. Will impact games and series, but won't have elite stat production. BOLD Statement alert: Possibly the best 2-way player in this draft.
The Rest
8) MIkal Bridges - Great defender with a solid shooting game. He'll make some star a great sidekick. Reminiscent of Eddie Jones. Has no playmaking skills.
9) Collin Sexton - A bulldog with the ball in his hands. Will look great in transition and put up impressive regular season stats. Will be out schemed in postseason play as he doesn't create for others or shoot from deep well. Suffers from Russ Westbrook syndrome. For better and Worse.
10) A tie between Lonnie Walker IV and Shai Kidd Gilgeous. Lonnie has a chance to be the best SG from this draft and the best two way SG in the league. Brings all the tools to be great. Still learning how to play high level basketball. He projects somewhere between Bradley Beal and Wes Mathews. (All Star scorer or 3 & D standout)
Shai has great size and solid ball skills. Should improve to above avg starter at PG or SG.
Honorable Mention: The homie Miles Bridges. He may be Jae Crowder 2018. Or the second coming of Draymond. It depends on the coach and system.
Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:King Ken wrote:Jamaal, what's your top 10 prospects?
I've been hesitant to go on record. I've analyzed these kids so much I'm going crazy:
Top Tier
1) Ayton - All Time talent and potential. But I suspect he is not prepared for the rigors of fame. He also seems kinda lazy.
2) Doncic - Great passer, above avg ball skills for his size, capable shooter, unselfish, competitive. But the lack of foot speed is an issue.
3) M Porter, Jr. - Before the injury, he was the consensus #1 player coming into the draft class. His agility, size and shooting make him a formidable offensive weapon. He needs to get stronger and improve the ball handling. He also has a polarizing personality that rubs teammates wrong. Rarely passes the ball. He has the game of Glen Rice with the ego/confidence of Carmelo.
4) Bagley III - The production will be there. He's just naturally gifted. But the holes in his game are real and he'll have trouble in the playoffs where teams can out scheme his production. He should be a more effective perimeter defender.
Second Tier
5) Mo Bamba - He may not be Gobert/Mutombo. But he'll rebound and block shots like crazy. He is very weak and has to improve his offense. He clearly can impact a game, but can he decide a playoff series or carry a franchise? Doubtful.
6) Trae Young - A gamble that should put up numbers...but may not be efficient enough to win behind. His defense will be so terrible, the offense may not matter. Will have to play a similar role to Isaiah Thomas in Boston. He'll need teammates willing to defer and cover for him defensively.
7) Wendell Carter - Unspectacular. But few holes in his game. Will impact games and series, but won't have elite stat production. BOLD Statement alert: Possibly the best 2-way player in this draft.
The Rest
8) MIkal Bridges - Great defender with a solid shooting game. He'll make some star a great sidekick. Reminiscent of Eddie Jones. Has no playmaking skills.
9) Collin Sexton - A bulldog with the ball in his hands. Will look great in transition and put up impressive regular season stats. Will be out schemed in postseason play as he doesn't create for others or shoot from deep well. Suffers from Russ Westbrook syndrome. For better and Worse.
10) A tie between Lonnie Walker IV and Shai Kidd Gilgeous. Lonnie has a chance to be the best SG from this draft and the best two way SG in the league. Brings all the tools to be great. Still learning how to play high level basketball. He projects somewhere between Bradley Beal and Wes Mathews. (All Star scorer or 3 & D standout)
Shai has great size and solid ball skills. Should improve to above avg starter at PG or SG.
Honorable Mention: The homie Miles Bridges. He may be Jae Crowder 2018. Or the second coming of Draymond. It depends on the coach and system.
Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That seems like something the teacher might catch you on, thought I’d point it out first. (This is a straight dig because you decided to paint the nba games thread green this morning and I didn’t like it).
As Tony Montana says...JOOOOUUURRRR TUUURRRNNNNN..
DirtybirdGA wrote:Isn't Jackson missing in those tiers?
Spud2nique wrote:Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That
Jamaaliver wrote:DirtybirdGA wrote:Isn't Jackson missing in those tiers?
Yes. I completely forgot about him. I'd rate slightly above Bamba. Slightly.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________Spud2nique wrote:Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That
Bamba will be good. But I can foresee a number of matchups/strategies to minimize his impact. Who would he guard on Cleveland? Kevin Love pulling him out to three point range would be to CLE advantage. Same with Boston and Horford.
Bamba won't shut down a dynamic wing player and, and 220+ pounds, is a bit weak in the paint.
I see him having limited effect in certain matchups the same way Gobert is vulnerable to being minimized/exploited.Spoiler:
Carter has a more varied offensive game and (IMO) should be able to make an impact against most matchups. Similar to Horford.
Spud2nique wrote:Fair enough but you do realize that Bamba is just as quick as Wendell if not quicker right? The speed at which Wendell gets out to cover a Love 3 would be the same as Bamba flying out to contest it.
We will find out soon enough but I think Bamba vs Wendell in workouts should be fun to say the least.
What happens when a playoff team can routinely exploit Gobert Bamba on the perimeter? He is too central to the entire team’s operations to sit out, but he’s also too ill-equipped to handle five-out lineups regularly.
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:BTW, this channel is great to learn about prospects.
King Ken wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:
I've been hesitant to go on record. I've analyzed these kids so much I'm going crazy:
Top Tier
1) Ayton - All Time talent and potential. But I suspect he is not prepared for the rigors of fame. He also seems kinda lazy.
2) Doncic - Great passer, above avg ball skills for his size, capable shooter, unselfish, competitive. But the lack of foot speed is an issue.
3) M Porter, Jr. - Before the injury, he was the consensus #1 player coming into the draft class. His agility, size and shooting make him a formidable offensive weapon. He needs to get stronger and improve the ball handling. He also has a polarizing personality that rubs teammates wrong. Rarely passes the ball. He has the game of Glen Rice with the ego/confidence of Carmelo.
4) Bagley III - The production will be there. He's just naturally gifted. But the holes in his game are real and he'll have trouble in the playoffs where teams can out scheme his production. He should be a more effective perimeter defender.
Second Tier
5) Mo Bamba - He may not be Gobert/Mutombo. But he'll rebound and block shots like crazy. He is very weak and has to improve his offense. He clearly can impact a game, but can he decide a playoff series or carry a franchise? Doubtful.
6) Trae Young - A gamble that should put up numbers...but may not be efficient enough to win behind. His defense will be so terrible, the offense may not matter. Will have to play a similar role to Isaiah Thomas in Boston. He'll need teammates willing to defer and cover for him defensively.
7) Wendell Carter - Unspectacular. But few holes in his game. Will impact games and series, but won't have elite stat production. BOLD Statement alert: Possibly the best 2-way player in this draft.
The Rest
8) MIkal Bridges - Great defender with a solid shooting game. He'll make some star a great sidekick. Reminiscent of Eddie Jones. Has no playmaking skills.
9) Collin Sexton - A bulldog with the ball in his hands. Will look great in transition and put up impressive regular season stats. Will be out schemed in postseason play as he doesn't create for others or shoot from deep well. Suffers from Russ Westbrook syndrome. For better and Worse.
10) A tie between Lonnie Walker IV and Shai Kidd Gilgeous. Lonnie has a chance to be the best SG from this draft and the best two way SG in the league. Brings all the tools to be great. Still learning how to play high level basketball. He projects somewhere between Bradley Beal and Wes Mathews. (All Star scorer or 3 & D standout)
Shai has great size and solid ball skills. Should improve to above avg starter at PG or SG.
Honorable Mention: The homie Miles Bridges. He may be Jae Crowder 2018. Or the second coming of Draymond. It depends on the coach and system.
Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That seems like something the teacher might catch you on, thought I’d point it out first. (This is a straight dig because you decided to paint the nba games thread green this morning and I didn’t like it).
As Tony Montana says...JOOOOUUURRRR TUUURRRNNNNN..
Lol, I always find people opinion of Bamba to be interesting. I love Bamba as a prospect but some guys hate him
kg01 wrote:I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.
...this is the most unpredictable draft I’ve seen in many years. The Kings and Hawks are each rumored to be open to moving the second and third pick in the draft, and I have a feeling that’s due to the intrigue surrounding Luka Dončić.
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There was also a buzz that both Sacramento and Atlanta seemed more interested in the domestic big men available at the top of the draft rather than Dončić. That could always change, but the thought process there was the risk that Dončić could opt to stay out of the draft if he didn’t like where he would land, and both teams seem to be higher on other players.
UCLA’s Aaron Holiday is said to have a “soft” commitment in the late teens and has, at this point, turned away workouts with teams in the 20’s. There is a sense he could be gone before by the 19th pick. kg01 wrote:King Ken wrote:Spud2nique wrote:
Excuse my prodding here...I’d be the last (first) one to get on you about anything but can you explain to me how Wendell Carter will impact a series but Bamba cannot? That seems like something the teacher might catch you on, thought I’d point it out first. (This is a straight dig because you decided to paint the nba games thread green this morning and I didn’t like it).
As Tony Montana says...JOOOOUUURRRR TUUURRRNNNNN..
Lol, I always find people opinion of Bamba to be interesting. I love Bamba as a prospect but some guys hate him
I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.
Radioblacktive1 wrote:Also, where is Miles Bridges projected to be picked up? I wouldn’t mind him either.
King Ken wrote:kg01 wrote:King Ken wrote:Lol, I always find people opinion of Bamba to be interesting. I love Bamba as a prospect but some guys hate him
I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.
Because he is not like Horford. The prospect who most reminds me of Horford is Mikal Bridges. Makes everyone better. Elite execution possession by possession and will get better with age. Same mentality, same meh iso skills. Same winning passion. Lacks weaknesses and is a + skill prospect. I love Mikal. I love love love Mikal
Carter reminds me of Brook Lopez mixed with Zach Randolph with athleticism like Kenyon Martin. Clearly not the peak of any of these players but like Martin, hes kinda stiff but excellent and running and jumping. Very good mover on offense. Brook with the way he uses his BBIQ and skill level and Z-Bo in how he does an elite job of using leverage and footwork for scoring and rebounding. I like him a ton like I like JJJ but i dont see more than a high level rotational piece in the long run. Not a star or elite player.
Ok I can’t lie that got away from me a tad..Jamaaliver wrote:kg01 wrote:I'm just shocked, staggered and stupefied that you don't have Carter higher on your lists. He's supposedly Horford-like. Figured you'd be all on that like @spud on fat chicks.
Believe me, I tried. But I couldn't put him above some of the other guys with much higher ceilings....without losing some serious credibility.
He's a really good two-way player who pairs well with almost anyone in the frontcourt. But he can't singlehandedly change a franchise like Ayton or Doncic (or Bagley) potentially can.
With that said, if we could walk away from the draft with:
Wendell Carter
J Collins
Taurean Prince and
Lonnie Walker IV all on the roster...I'd be ecstatic.