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May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost)

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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#101 » by dagger » Thu May 24, 2018 6:01 pm

Tanner wrote:Stroman is hurt and wasn't pitching well. Sanchez has stayed healthy but not pitched well. JD has been hurt, probably still is hurt, and hasn't been good. Osuna was arrested. People prior to the season were beating the drum that everyone else on the team wasn't good enough and those four in particular were the ones to trade, but they've let the team down, while the majority of the others have exceeded or met expectations. Not sure where this "expected everyone to regain their prime form" stuff is coming from. The argument in the off season was that just because an older player has a poor season it doesn't mean there will be a linear regression, so it is reasonable in some cases to project improvement even at age advanced age. Grandy and Pearce have been good. Morales and Martin haven't. Tulo hasn't played yet. Happ has been great, while Estrada is looking more like a #5 starter. That looks like a fairly typical pattern for older talent. If everyone was producing the exact same way, but the four guys I mentioned to start with (JD, Osuna, Stroman, Sanchez), aka the young guys and one elite older guy, were playing closer to their projections, then this team is right where they should be in the 82-85 win projection range. If those guys don't perform, then they have no shot, and that was always the case. Nothing has changed.

Regardless if things continue like this, they will trade the vets for whatever they can get at the deadline. The jays are setting up nicely for 2020 either way. 2019 looks like the significant fall back year, which was going to be the case regardless of how this season ended up.


Russell Martin, Kendrys Morales, likely age-related regression. Martin's regression includes an inability to throw out a reasonable percentage of runners. This team was only going to be good if everything broke its way, and they never do.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#102 » by Schad » Thu May 24, 2018 6:53 pm

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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#103 » by Schad » Thu May 24, 2018 7:25 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:I will say, I didn't mind trying on guys like Grichuk, Solarte and Diaz. I hope those guys are moved by the trade deadline.


Solarte I'd definitely try to move, though there's no panic. Grichuk, well...think the better bet would be to move Pillar, and start Grichuk in CF. Alford looks like he's still going to need a fair bit of seasoning, and if Grichuk can handle the position defensively it'll boost his trade value later.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#104 » by So_Fresh » Thu May 24, 2018 7:33 pm

This is painful.. end it now and blow it up!

D. McGuire sucks so does Estrada. The starting pitching is probably driving Pete Walker crazy.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#105 » by Schad » Thu May 24, 2018 7:37 pm

So_Fresh wrote:This is painful.. end it now and blow it up!


It'll get blown up. Barring a miracle, it's just a matter now of waiting until trade season begins in a few weeks.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#106 » by rotty » Thu May 24, 2018 9:01 pm

Schad wrote:
I_Like_Dirt wrote:I will say, I didn't mind trying on guys like Grichuk, Solarte and Diaz. I hope those guys are moved by the trade deadline.


Solarte I'd definitely try to move, though there's no panic. Grichuk, well...think the better bet would be to move Pillar, and start Grichuk in CF. Alford looks like he's still going to need a fair bit of seasoning, and if Grichuk can handle the position defensively it'll boost his trade value later.


Pompey is also looking good (although a small sample) in Dunedin. 17 PA and 1.071 OPS. At least would like to have him and Dwight playing consistently.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#107 » by Schad » Thu May 24, 2018 9:09 pm

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Pompey is also looking good (although a small sample) in Dunedin. 17 PA and 1.071 OPS. At least would like to have him and Dwight playing consistently.


Absolutely. Shifting a couple of the veteran OFs should be pretty feasible, as well. No one's giving up headline names for Curtis Granderson, but he's the epitome of deadline bait...cheap contract, good LH bat, invariably useful for teams chasing the playoffs.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#108 » by Lateral Quicks » Thu May 24, 2018 10:17 pm

This team is not a lot of fun to watch right now. The stars are underperforming bigly, and the younger players aren't getting regular playing time with the exception of Hernandez. Plus the overall level of play is really sloppy.

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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#109 » by Tanner » Fri May 25, 2018 12:34 am

Shapiro prepared for this based on his off-season moves. Only made one year deals (or one year deals with team options for a 2nd year) and traded for cheap players with control left who can be stop gaps in 2019 and beyond. The entire off season was practically the front office hedging their bets. This team will definitely sell if they fall out of it. I don't think we have to worry about that.

THey acquired guys like Solate, Grichuk, and Diaz precisely to have cheap talent at spots in 2019-2020. I don't think those guys will be moved. The expiring vets will absolutely get moved unless they have no value.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#110 » by Schad » Fri May 25, 2018 12:37 am

There's no need to ship Solarte for sweet fk all, but there's no reason to hold on to him if he gets significant interest, either. The fact that he has two cheap years remaining makes him a good trade chip, and given that we're going to suck for one (and probably both) of those two years, it's worth pursuing.
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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

Post#111 » by Scott Hall » Fri May 25, 2018 2:29 am

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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

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Re: May 22-24: LAA vs DOA (or almost) 

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