Where is Bob Covington?

[Sixerscan]

They aren't wrong. If Covington plays even average in the Boston series the Sixers are still playing.
Covington was awful in that series on both ends of the floor. I think he had one good game. Him winning 1st team all defense does not change that. Same for Simmons. If he wins ROTY, it does not change the fact that He was easily the 3rd (or worse) best rookie in the playoffs. Tatum and Mitchell were big time in the playoffs. Simmons shrunk in the Boston series.

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Your standard for "no matter what" is like a bad stretch of games. No I don't completely change my opinion on the guy when he's in a cold streak because I've seen him go through such streaks before and and eventually come out of them.

Do we really need to quote a ridiculous stat at this point? He made first team all defense and he shot above average from 3 on high volume. Is that really that complicated? You can probably count the number of guys like that on one hand and the other guys are making a heck of a lot more than $10 million next year.

We're well past the point where someone should have to "defend" him every time he has a bad stretch of games imo. He's been here for 300 games at this point. He's clearly very streaky and a cold streak came at an obviously terrible time. He's on the whole a good player though on a good contract.

[MR28]

I **** on RoCo a good bit, but he was simply a game changer in that Heat series.

Spectacular defense from him.

[sixerswillrule]

Davis is a power forward and not a center. Even after cousins went down. Okafar (E) started many games at center. Davis is not a center. We all know that.

He played about half his minutes at center this season.

[Sixerscan]

I have no issues with gobert being first team center defense. Maybe if embiid had played 70 games. He gets the edge over gobert. But voters see 63 games vs 56 games as not much difference in terms of games played.

The real issue I have is with Anthony Davis. If they are gonna to make him first team all defense power forward?? Ok

But for the regular all nba voting. Voters get their cake and will switch Anthony Davis back to being center. So Davis gets first team all nba center. That way. Giannis doesn’t get shut out of first team all
Nba forward. It’s so obvious.

I think they let people vote guys for either position then fill in guys so that the top vote getters get first team. For both Embiid and Davis to get first team they would both have to beat out all but one of Lebron, Giannis, Durant etc. Then one of those guys (say, Lebron) would be one of the first team forwards, Davis would be the other and Embiid would be center.

Otherwise one of Embiid/Davis will be first team center one 2nd.

My point being is that either nba needs to make positionless voting so stick to the positions. They can’t have it both ways.

Like the 1993-1996 era where u had Hakeem, Ewing , Robinson and a young but emerging Shaq. Only one of those guys got to be selected as first all nba center” and first team all nba defense

If those guys played in 2017-2018. The nba voters would devise the same scheme to fit them in as a “forward” and fit one in as a “center” so more on those elite centers would have been voted.

I am seriously. Davis is a power forward and not a center. Even after cousins went down. Okafar (E) started many games at center. Davis is not a center. We all know that.

Okafor averaged like 13 mpg. Davis played mostly center after cousins went down. On the whole he played 1k minutes with Cousins, 200 with Okafor, 15 with Asik. He played 2700 minutes on the year. I'm probably missing someone (is Diallo a center? 150 minutes with him) but he played a lot of center.

[Mik317]

fam you;ve hated on Cov all year...

don't act like this is just because of the playoffs.

You also continue to cape for Jah for some reason...

[gdog2004]

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Your standard for "no matter what" is like a bad stretch of games. No I don't completely change my opinion on the guy when he's in a cold streak because I've seen him go through such streaks before and and eventually come out of them.

Do we really need to quote a ridiculous stat at this point? He made first team all defense and he shot above average from 3 on high volume. Is that really that complicated? You can probably count the number of guys like that on one hand and the other guys are making a heck of a lot more than $10 million next year.

We're well past the point where someone should have to "defend" him every time he has a bad stretch of games imo. He's been here for 300 games at this point. He's clearly very streaky and a cold streak came at an obviously terrible time. He's on the whole a good player though on a good contract.

He is a good player. Not great, and well below average against the Celtics. It is OK to go thru bad shooting streaks but in that Boston series he was bad defensively too. If you can't admit that...your just proving my point.

[Sixerscan]

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Your standard for "no matter what" is like a bad stretch of games. No I don't completely change my opinion on the guy when he's in a cold streak because I've seen him go through such streaks before and and eventually come out of them.

Do we really need to quote a ridiculous stat at this point? He made first team all defense and he shot above average from 3 on high volume. Is that really that complicated? You can probably count the number of guys like that on one hand and the other guys are making a heck of a lot more than $10 million next year.

We're well past the point where someone should have to "defend" him every time he has a bad stretch of games imo. He's been here for 300 games at this point. He's clearly very streaky and a cold streak came at an obviously terrible time. He's on the whole a good player though on a good contract.

He is a good player. Not great, and well below average against the Celtics. It is OK to go thru bad shooting streaks but in that Boston series he was bad defensively too. If you can't admit that...your just proving my point.

I said in the first post that he had bad games against the Celtics. He was bad on both ends in most of the games.

I'm not arguing with you about the Celtic series. I'm saying it's not everything and the people focusing on it are generally the same people that were hating on him whenever he had a rough stretch during the regular season and going silent when he balanced it out.

[youngcrev]

The morning show on 97.5 is going in on him hard today after the news. Gargano put the Boston series on him, lol. I'm so tempted to call in but they're in too much of a feeding frenzy to listen to logic right now.

They aren't wrong. If Covington plays even average in the Boston series the Sixers are still playing.
Covington was awful in that series on both ends of the floor. I think he had one good game. Him winning 1st team all defense does not change that. Same for Simmons. If he wins ROTY, it does not change the fact that He was easily the 3rd (or worse) best rookie in the playoffs. Tatum and Mitchell were big time in the playoffs. Simmons shrunk in the Boston series.

Cov definitely had an awful series, but there were plenty of other things that went wrong, so putting the blunt of the blame on him is kinda ridiculous. As you mentioned, Ben also had a bad series, and he's supposed to be option 1A here. Something tells me they won't be calling him a "fugazi rookie of the year" (if he wins the award) because of his bad series.

[Mikepsu12]

They aren't wrong. If Covington plays even average in the Boston series the Sixers are still playing.
Covington was awful in that series on both ends of the floor. I think he had one good game. Him winning 1st team all defense does not change that. Same for Simmons. If he wins ROTY, it does not change the fact that He was easily the 3rd (or worse) best rookie in the playoffs. Tatum and Mitchell were big time in the playoffs. Simmons shrunk in the Boston series.

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Pretty silly to compare Covington to Noel. You don't need stats to see Roco is a good defender, just watch the games.

I know we joke as Sixers fans about Dragic being an all star, but he's a very good player. Go rewatch game 1 of the Miami series. Covington was all over Dragic that game, it was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen on the defensive end.

In general I just think it's ridiculous how many haters Covington has. Really shows how the majority of people still just value the offensive side of the ball. Is he streaky on offense? Yes. Was he bad in the Boston series? Yes. Is the series loss on him? No.

Dude went from being a UDFA to playing on terrible Sixers teams to getting his first big payday to being on a playoff team and being relied on heavily on the defensive side of the ball. We give Simmons/Embiid/Brown passes because its their first playoffs, but Covington gets **** on because he was bad in a couple games?

People have unrealistic expectations of him. If our lineup is Embiid/Dario/Cov/jj/ben - Covington is not in there for his offense..We have 4 other guys who can score/set things up. And for the most part, Cov does his role very well. He's on a great contract considering how much value he provides us. People are acting like he's Luol Deng.

[gdog2004]

Maybe, I just find it weird that now that everything is over people want to focus on a few bad games instead of the incredible run he's had from being a D League chucker to first team all defense.

I think there are a group of people that don't like him for whatever reason and look for a reason to complain. It was the same way during the regular season. He shot above average from 3 on the year but to read this thread you would think he shot 30%. I think part of it is that he's very streaky. If he shot the way he did in October November and March every month we wouldn't be getting him for $10 million next year.

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Pretty silly to compare Covington to Noel. You don't need stats to see Roco is a good defender, just watch the games.

I know we joke as Sixers fans about Dragic being an all star, but he's a very good player. Go rewatch game 1 of the Miami series. Covington was all over Dragic that game, it was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen on the defensive end.

In general I just think it's ridiculous how many haters Covington has. Really shows how the majority of people still just value the offensive side of the ball. Is he streaky on offense? Yes. Was he bad in the Boston series? Yes. Is the series loss on him? No.

Dude went from being a UDFA to playing on terrible Sixers teams to getting his first big payday to being on a playoff team and being relied on heavily on the defensive side of the ball. We give Simmons/Embiid/Brown passes because its their first playoffs, but Covington gets **** on because he was bad in a couple games?

People have unrealistic expectations of him. If our lineup is Embiid/Dario/Cov/jj/ben - Covington is not in there for his offense..We have 4 other guys who can score/set things up. And for the most part, Cov does his role very well. He's on a great contract considering how much value he provides us. People are acting like he's Luol Deng.

In that Boston series he was awful on defense. Terry and Tatum shredded him, look it up.
I do think hes a decent player. But not the long term answer at SF for a true contender.
THIS team needs an upgrade at his spot. You need a creator over there.

[USWAY]

Do we see any way Roco becomes more consistent? On offense and defense. That is his biggest problem, consistency. He's 27, is it too late to develop this?

[Monix]

1st Team All-Defense

look that up

[gdog2004]

1st Team All-Defense

look that up

How'd that defense look against Boston ? Look that up.

[Mikepsu12]

Conversely,
I think there are a group of people that like him no matter what and look for any reason to defend him. It was the same way during the playoffs.

I like him(and any player really) based on his performance in key moments. And when he was needed most (the Boston series and a good chunk of Miami series) he didn't perform well by any logical persons definition.
I saw a similar defense of Nerlens Noel when he was here. He would have horrible games and guys would pull some ridiculous stat out of nowhere to defend him.

Pretty silly to compare Covington to Noel. You don't need stats to see Roco is a good defender, just watch the games.

I know we joke as Sixers fans about Dragic being an all star, but he's a very good player. Go rewatch game 1 of the Miami series. Covington was all over Dragic that game, it was one of the best individual performances I've ever seen on the defensive end.

In general I just think it's ridiculous how many haters Covington has. Really shows how the majority of people still just value the offensive side of the ball. Is he streaky on offense? Yes. Was he bad in the Boston series? Yes. Is the series loss on him? No.

Dude went from being a UDFA to playing on terrible Sixers teams to getting his first big payday to being on a playoff team and being relied on heavily on the defensive side of the ball. We give Simmons/Embiid/Brown passes because its their first playoffs, but Covington gets **** on because he was bad in a couple games?

People have unrealistic expectations of him. If our lineup is Embiid/Dario/Cov/jj/ben - Covington is not in there for his offense..We have 4 other guys who can score/set things up. And for the most part, Cov does his role very well. He's on a great contract considering how much value he provides us. People are acting like he's Luol Deng.

In that Boston series he was awful on defense. Terry and Tatum shredded him, look it up.
I do think hes a decent player. But not the long term answer at SF for a true contender.
THIS team needs an upgrade at his spot. You need a creator over there.

I clearly said in my post that he was bad in the Boston series. Look it up.
You're living in a fantasy world if you think this team couldn't compete with Covington on the roster. Not every team in league history is the Warriors with 4 all stars in the starting lineup.

[Sixerscan]

1st Team All-Defense

look that up

How'd that defense look against Boston ? Look that up.

Still pretending you're not a hater lol?

[Mik317]

Its more so we need someone behind him than anything. That way during his off nights he doesn't have to stay out there and struggle it up. People would respect Cov more if him being on fire and locking up fools was as crucial to the team not looking like ass for stretches. He is a complementary player but due to our lack of talent on the wings, we NEED him to be more. Its the Iggy situation all over again in theory. But as is Cov either has to cover for our lack of PG defenders or whoever we can't have JJ or Dario guard...while also being a main source of offense too. Thats not his ideal role IMO. I also wish we could stop forcing him to guard ...guards and **** and instead use him as a safety of sorts who can switch and play the passing lanes with his quick hands.

like everything on this team many of our downfalls are based off of people being stretched too thin due to poor roster construction and general growth.

i wish people (myself included) would start to look at everything instead of just jumping immediately to "welp this guy sucks and must be replaced ASAP yo". Ask why first and then ask if something beyond getting rid of him could help fix it. Yall would cut off your arms because they are sore ingoring that it is sore because you are bashing it against rocks....perhaps stop doing that?

[the_process]

Grats to BSB on his 1st team All-Defense selection. Figured he would get it this year after building up the rep the past two years. He should have a few more of these on the resume before he’s done, too.

[sixerswillrule]

I do think hes a decent player. But not the long term answer at SF for a true contender.
THIS team needs an upgrade at his spot. You need a creator over there.

He is an above average starting SF, would you agree? Can you name 15 SFs better than him? He's arguably top 10. That's decent I guess.

Why does he need to be upgraded with a creator? We need a starting lineup where all 5 players are creators to be a contender? James Posey, Danny Green, Trevor Ariza, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Bruce Bowen. The list goes on and on.

[Kobblehead]

Covington is among the best non-star Fs in the NBA. Is there really any grounds whatsoever to complain about him?

[gdog2004]

1st Team All-Defense

look that up

How'd that defense look against Boston ? Look that up.

Still pretending you're not a hater lol?

I'm not. But its damn close to being a fact that he played well during Boston series, we win it. Fans tend to grow sour on players when they shrink in the biggest moments. Other fans will defend a player they "like" thru a 20 game "bad stretch" of throwing up bricks every night. Seems pretty straight forward IMO.
I'm not saying hes awful(although he was in Boston), but this team needs a more well rounded player at SF. Which I am sure they are working on.