The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[DirtyDez]

Yarf I'm from The Bay and I would waayyyyy rather live in Phoenix than in Sac.

Have you been here in July?

[Kerrsed]

Yarf I'm from The Bay and I would waayyyyy rather live in Phoenix than in Sac.

Have you been here in July?

Spoiler:

[sunsbum]

The Suns organization has been a dumpster fire, and I’d much rather live in Sacramento than barren Phoenix,

Spoiler:

but that’s not what this board should be for. No need to attack other orgs,

[kingstyyyle]

Yarf I'm from The Bay and I would waayyyyy rather live in Phoenix than in Sac.

Have you been here in July?

I live in Phoenix now Sacramento is pretty hot in the Summer too and the only thing good about it is being close to Tahoe.

[sunsbg]

I remember watching last year one of those early games we european fans get to watch live in a convenient time. One of the teams was the Sixers with Embiid. Simmons was out for the season as you know. The ball movement was exceptional, much better than the ball movement with Simmons the games I have watched this year. It's just that Simmons is a great explosive athlete with great creativity and the former is obviously not true about Doncic.

All I'm trying to say is that drafting a C, who projects as a good passer, in no way means an offense with less ball movement. Trade for a PG who can pass and shoot (Shroeder for 16th pick ?) and than it's up to Kokoskov to implement the right system.

[Archx]

I really hate todays style of basketball. I watched a bit of HOU vs GSW game last night and literally everything happens closer to the half court instead of closer to the basket. There was so much ISO plays even though both teams have insane potential in running proper plays with PNR, slashing setting proper blocks etc.. And thats why Harden went 5/21, incredibly bad basketball on both ends. Even Euro basketball has become more interesting to watch because they play tougher defense and make actual plays.

But then again the way HOU plays actually worked against good defensive team like Utah where they abused Gobert, one of the best defensive players. So if NBA is going to a new direction it will be interesting to see how Kokoskov uses Ayton. I can see him being more Garnett type of player instead of David Robinson. I really miss 00' basketball with kobe&shaq. Tough defense plus it was fun to watch.

[SlovenianDragon]

Im actually off the either or train....

Ive been watching so many videos and reading so many articles on both their strengths and weakness....

And its got to be Ayton all the way.

He will help our team and fits our team so much better than Doncic will.


I just get the feeling with Doncic we will do a lot of passing but no initiation and interior presence than run the shot clock down for some real crappy 3s or jump shots.


I want an interior presence that will actually spread the floor for our wings by drawing attention inward. Ayton isn't a bad passer...throw the ball to Ayton and he could get easy passes off to a cutting JJ or Warren... Attention wouldn't be fully focused on the outside and booker. Booker could actually be let loose. They try to focus booker with double teams or pressure the ball goes inside.


Honestly think our offense would be 100% better with Ayton than Doncic.


I also Honestly think Ayton will have a greater defense impact than Doncic as well even though people claim that's his weakness.


Ayton all the way at this point.

[SlovenianDragon]

I mean don't you guys remember all the games last year where we passed the ball around the perimeter than some1 had to force something? Gross.

[cberry78]

... I’d much rather live in Sacramento...

I can honestly say I've never seen nor heard those 6 words ever uttered before.

[SlovenianDragon]

... I’d much rather live in Sacramento...

I can honestly say I've never seen nor heard those 6 words ever uttered before.

Why? cop ride alongs are way more fun

[Archx]

I mean don't you guys remember all the games last year where we passed the ball around the perimeter than some1 had to force something? Gross.

Well that could be the lack of good coaching or just plain and simple missing a good PG or someone who would make a smart play on the last pass. Or something else... And i do agree with your previous post to some extent. I mean PHX could use Ayton as some kind of a inside presence who could draw attention to himself and initiate the offense with passing to outside guards or by just collapsing defenses on him. But in Kokoskov system i see Ayton almost primary as PNR guy who can get himself open and shoot jumpers. Like Nowitzki was doing in DAL. But obviously thats just speculation. I am just purely looking how our team played in euro cup.

[SlovenianDragon]

I mean don't you guys remember all the games last year where we passed the ball around the perimeter than some1 had to force something? Gross.

Well that could be the lack of good coaching or just plain and simple missing a good PG or someone who would make a smart play on the last pass. Or something else... And i do agree with your previous post to some extent. I mean PHX could use Ayton as some kind of a inside presence who could draw attention to himself and initiate the offense with passing to outside guards or by just collapsing defenses on him. But in Kokoskov system i see Ayton almost primary as PNR guy who can get himself open and shoot jumpers. Like Nowitzki was doing in DAL. But obviously thats just speculation. I am just purely looking how our team played in euro cup.

Well id love ayton on the pnr too... right now we suck with it. Frickin bannana hands Len cant do anything out of a PNR most of our team cant...We failed so many times last year. Like I said we could just really never get open no matter what we did. I think Ayton fills that hole.


I like the way Ayton finds openings on the court to get the ball whether low or high also our PNR would improve greatly. I think he would just change our team the way we need it to change.

[Archx]

I mean don't you guys remember all the games last year where we passed the ball around the perimeter than some1 had to force something? Gross.

Well that could be the lack of good coaching or just plain and simple missing a good PG or someone who would make a smart play on the last pass. Or something else... And i do agree with your previous post to some extent. I mean PHX could use Ayton as some kind of a inside presence who could draw attention to himself and initiate the offense with passing to outside guards or by just collapsing defenses on him. But in Kokoskov system i see Ayton almost primary as PNR guy who can get himself open and shoot jumpers. Like Nowitzki was doing in DAL. But obviously thats just speculation. I am just purely looking how our team played in euro cup.

Well id love ayton on the pnr too... right now we suck with it. Frickin bannana hands Len cant do anything out of a PNR most of our team cant...We failed so many times last year. Like I said we could just really never get open no matter what we did. I think Ayton fills that hole.


I like the way Ayton finds openings on the court to get the ball whether low or high also our PNR would improve greatly. I think he would just change our team the way we need it to change.

Yup true but unfortunately i can not comment on how good Ayton is in PNR because i haven't seen him play yet. Just watched highlights. I do know that Doncic is a master because he plays like that all the time but i do hope Ayton has a good awareness on how to react etc.. Problem for PHX could be if Bender and Len suddenly become good then you have 3 bigs and no proper PG

[SlovenianDragon]

Well that could be the lack of good coaching or just plain and simple missing a good PG or someone who would make a smart play on the last pass. Or something else... And i do agree with your previous post to some extent. I mean PHX could use Ayton as some kind of a inside presence who could draw attention to himself and initiate the offense with passing to outside guards or by just collapsing defenses on him. But in Kokoskov system i see Ayton almost primary as PNR guy who can get himself open and shoot jumpers. Like Nowitzki was doing in DAL. But obviously thats just speculation. I am just purely looking how our team played in euro cup.

Well id love ayton on the pnr too... right now we suck with it. Frickin bannana hands Len cant do anything out of a PNR most of our team cant...We failed so many times last year. Like I said we could just really never get open no matter what we did. I think Ayton fills that hole.


I like the way Ayton finds openings on the court to get the ball whether low or high also our PNR would improve greatly. I think he would just change our team the way we need it to change.

Yup true but unfortunately i can not comment on how good Ayton is in PNR because i haven't seen him play yet. Just watched highlights. I do know that Doncic is a master because he plays like that all the time but i do hope Ayton has a good awareness on how to react etc.. Problem for PHX could be if Bender and Len suddenly become good then you have 3 bigs and no proper PG

IDK about Bender but Lens ship has sailed...Hes a potato... If Bender got great that doesnt affect Ayton at all just makes out team better.

[thamadkant]

Heaps of Doncic supporters use small ball as the reason to go for him, but now watching the Rockets and Warriors... people still think he can get pass defenders that are putting that much pressure on him? And on the other side... he would just get burnt a lot.

he's a combo forward, not a guard.. you can hide him against the Saric, Mirotic, Anderson, Chriss, Horford, Morris... etc... basically slow forwards or PF/Cs....



Now imagine if Rockets had a Davis or Towns there... theres no way Warriors would go small ball, Green would be guarding a much bigger man who has offensive skills one on one.... they'd have to put Looney, McGee and West and that eases the pressure.

[Saberestar]

Well that could be the lack of good coaching or just plain and simple missing a good PG or someone who would make a smart play on the last pass. Or something else... And i do agree with your previous post to some extent. I mean PHX could use Ayton as some kind of a inside presence who could draw attention to himself and initiate the offense with passing to outside guards or by just collapsing defenses on him. But in Kokoskov system i see Ayton almost primary as PNR guy who can get himself open and shoot jumpers. Like Nowitzki was doing in DAL. But obviously thats just speculation. I am just purely looking how our team played in euro cup.

Well id love ayton on the pnr too... right now we suck with it. Frickin bannana hands Len cant do anything out of a PNR most of our team cant...We failed so many times last year. Like I said we could just really never get open no matter what we did. I think Ayton fills that hole.


I like the way Ayton finds openings on the court to get the ball whether low or high also our PNR would improve greatly. I think he would just change our team the way we need it to change.

Yup true but unfortunately i can not comment on how good Ayton is in PNR because i haven't seen him play yet. Just watched highlights. I do know that Doncic is a master because he plays like that all the time but i do hope Ayton has a good awareness on how to react etc.. Problem for PHX could be if Bender and Len suddenly become good then you have 3 bigs and no proper PG

Len is a FA.

[thamadkant]

The Suns are so so far from contending that they need to draft players that have the best tools to be stars.

First thing they should do post-Ayton draft is to trade for 2 wings or guards who can play defense and nail the 3pt.... then sign a 3D forward who can play a bit of PF.

Teach the Suns how systematic defense works!

[batigol18]

Heaps of Doncic supporters use small ball as the reason to go for him, but now watching the Rockets and Warriors... people still think he can get pass defenders that are putting that much pressure on him? And on the other side... he would just get burnt a lot.

Actually this way Doncic is playing for the whole season. Other teams are doing game plan focusing on him, pressing him through the whole court, double him and trying to tire him, but anyway at the end he adjusted to this game and finished with practically all individual awards and winning with his teams almost everything he could.

He is used to play this type of games. And this is where his shines with passing, court vision...

But for sure he will never play those types of games the way LeBron is playing. One against all...

[mabundo_nagumbe]

Heaps of Doncic supporters use small ball as the reason to go for him, but now watching the Rockets and Warriors... people still think he can get pass defenders that are putting that much pressure on him? And on the other side... he would just get burnt a lot.

he's a combo forward, not a guard.. you can hide him against the Saric, Mirotic, Anderson, Chriss, Horford, Morris... etc... basically slow forwards or PF/Cs....



Now imagine if Rockets had a Davis or Towns there... theres no way Warriors would go small ball, Green would be guarding a much bigger man who has offensive skills one on one.... they'd have to put Looney, McGee and West and that eases the pressure.

On the other hand, I'm preety sure GSW would still sweep NO or/and MIN

[JMac1]

I really hate todays style of basketball. I watched a bit of HOU vs GSW game last night and literally everything happens closer to the half court instead of closer to the basket. There was so much ISO plays even though both teams have insane potential in running proper plays with PNR, slashing setting proper blocks etc.. And thats why Harden went 5/21, incredibly bad basketball on both ends. Even Euro basketball has become more interesting to watch because they play tougher defense and make actual plays.

But then again the way HOU plays actually worked against good defensive team like Utah where they abused Gobert, one of the best defensive players. So if NBA is going to a new direction it will be interesting to see how Kokoskov uses Ayton. I can see him being more Garnett type of player instead of David Robinson. I really miss 00' basketball with kobe&shaq. Tough defense plus it was fun to watch.

Back to back games were both teams struggled to score late. Taking crazy low percentage shots, a contested J. Looney and West and Capela are defense only C’s who could not expose those midgets masking as C’s was sad.

Two man game still works regardless of your defense. GS success is the talent, not the scheme, for example, when Curry comes down and just shoots a three and makes it. No strategy, screen three. No screen three. Pass to Durant pull up. Straight talent.

If AD had some real players on his team he’d kill GS and Houston. I love watching him dominate. Same thing with a healthy Porzingis. Those guys are unstoppable.

I don’t want to see Doncic shooting a bunch of step back threes late in the game and bricking like Harden. It looks nice when they are stroking those shots, but it looks like trash when they are missing.