The Draft Thread: Ayton Vs Doncic 1

[Biff]

Dude, these people miserable in Phoenix are the most hilarious kind of people. Just a pile of pedantic human waste.

You must be one of those bros that just loves the Scottsdale scene.

[TheLogician]

I happen to really like southwest culture, architecture, cuisine, etc. Southern AZ is particularly livable if you don't mind the dry heat. Do what's right for you, Biff. No harm in trying something new.

[thamadkant]

I love Phoenix. Depends on how much money you have, what you do for a living, where you live, your age, and who your with!

Every city or town has something to offer, if you can’t figure it out, don’t blame the city, blame yourself.

This is every city though.

More money better lifestyle.


But if I was multi multi millionaire my main residence of choice would be somewhere like New York... Because of what you have access to 24 / 7

[Mjee]

Youtube the Deandre Ayton game vs UNLV from December. There is a nice little highlight reel from every possession he is involved in.

In general, I am convinced we take him over any other prospect.

[Kerrsed]

Can we get back on topic please, this is a basketball forum not a damn travel agency !!!!

[TeamTragic]

Can we get back on topic please, this is a basketball forum not a damn travel agency !!!!

Have you ever visited Croatia Kerrsed? Beautiful in the summer

[Kerrsed]

McDonough spoke even further on the likes of Ayton and Doncic, who us over at Bright Side of the Sun will continue to break down and nitpick over the next month, but he had some very interesting comments I wanted to share below on both from Friday’s availability.

I am in the camp that believes Ayton’s lack of defensive instincts he displayed in pick-and-roll situations has some concern, but McDonough also pointed to the fact that Ayton rarely was allowed to play center all that often. With senior big man Dusan Ristic clogging up the middle, Ayton was pushed out to the perimeter where he actually handled himself well against smaller guards. He runs the floor like a guard and his foot speed shows it.

McDonough didn’t seem all that concerned about Ayton from a rim protection aspect, but he could learn it under the right environment over time.

“Yeah, he’s a terrific athlete. I think schematically a lot it was schematically. They had him playing they had him playing the 4 a lot with Ristic, so he was guarding away from the basket on the perimeter,” McDonough said. “In the NBA, obviously he’s a center. He slides well. He moves his feet well. He’s a tremendous athlete at that size in terms of strength fluidity, coordination, all of that. What I’ve seen on film and in-person so far, a lot it is just experience. I think knowing defensive rotations. When to switch, when to rotate, that just comes with time. He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.”

When speaking further on Doncic, McDonough touched on his lack of elite burst. It’s a legitimate question raised against Doncic that has been further driven under the microscope during Real Madrid’s Euroleague championship run.

However, as many would see up-close if Doncic is the choice, he’s a sturdy 6’8” with an already thick frame. McDonough even compared him to thicker forwards with maybe not high level athleticism, but they know how to maneuver themselves around the floor at high levels.

Hence why many have thrown the James Harden comparison Doncic’s way over the past year plus. McDonough’s level of concern over lacking top-flight athleticism seemed little to none.

“First of all, he’s really big. That’s one of the things that stands out when you see him in person. When you see him on film, physically he’s comparable to Joe Johnson, who’s a big, strong guy as you guys know,” McDonough said. “I think T.J. Warren’s measurements are pretty similar physically. He’s so skilled at that size and has such a good feel I think you don’t realize on tape how big he is. He’s able to jab, create his own shot. He’s able to lower his shoulder to create space and overpower defenders. He’s adept at getting at the free throw line. I don’t have concerns with him physically. I think if you look at some of the All-NBA teams that just came out yesterday some of those guys were maybe better basketball players than athletes where they test off the charts in terms of running and jumping. Things like that, maybe not but if you put the ball in their hands and they know what to do. And I think that’s how I would describe Luka.”

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

[Kerrsed]

Can we get back on topic please, this is a basketball forum not a damn travel agency !!!!

Have you ever visited Spain? Beautiful in the summer

No, but i backpacked through Thailand once before. One word of advice, always check the goods before hand. Did you know there is a surgery to shave down your adam's apple? Worst $20 ever spent.

Now, STAY ON TOPIC, Its all about the Draft! Damn man, bring back the Ayton vs. Doncic beefs!

[TeamTragic]

McDonough spoke even further on the likes of Ayton and Doncic, who us over at Bright Side of the Sun will continue to break down and nitpick over the next month, but he had some very interesting comments I wanted to share below on both from Friday’s availability.

I am in the camp that believes Ayton’s lack of defensive instincts he displayed in pick-and-roll situations has some concern, but McDonough also pointed to the fact that Ayton rarely was allowed to play center all that often. With senior big man Dusan Ristic clogging up the middle, Ayton was pushed out to the perimeter where he actually handled himself well against smaller guards. He runs the floor like a guard and his foot speed shows it.

McDonough didn’t seem all that concerned about Ayton from a rim protection aspect, but he could learn it under the right environment over time.

“Yeah, he’s a terrific athlete. I think schematically a lot it was schematically. They had him playing they had him playing the 4 a lot with Ristic, so he was guarding away from the basket on the perimeter,” McDonough said. “In the NBA, obviously he’s a center. He slides well. He moves his feet well. He’s a tremendous athlete at that size in terms of strength fluidity, coordination, all of that. What I’ve seen on film and in-person so far, a lot it is just experience. I think knowing defensive rotations. When to switch, when to rotate, that just comes with time. He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.”

When speaking further on Doncic, McDonough touched on his lack of elite burst. It’s a legitimate question raised against Doncic that has been further driven under the microscope during Real Madrid’s Euroleague championship run.

However, as many would see up-close if Doncic is the choice, he’s a sturdy 6’8” with an already thick frame. McDonough even compared him to thicker forwards with maybe not high level athleticism, but they know how to maneuver themselves around the floor at high levels.

Hence why many have thrown the James Harden comparison Doncic’s way over the past year plus. McDonough’s level of concern over lacking top-flight athleticism seemed little to none.

“First of all, he’s really big. That’s one of the things that stands out when you see him in person. When you see him on film, physically he’s comparable to Joe Johnson, who’s a big, strong guy as you guys know,” McDonough said. “I think T.J. Warren’s measurements are pretty similar physically. He’s so skilled at that size and has such a good feel I think you don’t realize on tape how big he is. He’s able to jab, create his own shot. He’s able to lower his shoulder to create space and overpower defenders. He’s adept at getting at the free throw line. I don’t have concerns with him physically. I think if you look at some of the All-NBA teams that just came out yesterday some of those guys were maybe better basketball players than athletes where they test off the charts in terms of running and jumping. Things like that, maybe not but if you put the ball in their hands and they know what to do. And I think that’s how I would describe Luka.”

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

[Archx]

McDonough spoke even further on the likes of Ayton and Doncic, who us over at Bright Side of the Sun will continue to break down and nitpick over the next month, but he had some very interesting comments I wanted to share below on both from Friday’s availability.

I am in the camp that believes Ayton’s lack of defensive instincts he displayed in pick-and-roll situations has some concern, but McDonough also pointed to the fact that Ayton rarely was allowed to play center all that often. With senior big man Dusan Ristic clogging up the middle, Ayton was pushed out to the perimeter where he actually handled himself well against smaller guards. He runs the floor like a guard and his foot speed shows it.

McDonough didn’t seem all that concerned about Ayton from a rim protection aspect, but he could learn it under the right environment over time.

“Yeah, he’s a terrific athlete. I think schematically a lot it was schematically. They had him playing they had him playing the 4 a lot with Ristic, so he was guarding away from the basket on the perimeter,” McDonough said. “In the NBA, obviously he’s a center. He slides well. He moves his feet well. He’s a tremendous athlete at that size in terms of strength fluidity, coordination, all of that. What I’ve seen on film and in-person so far, a lot it is just experience. I think knowing defensive rotations. When to switch, when to rotate, that just comes with time. He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.”

When speaking further on Doncic, McDonough touched on his lack of elite burst. It’s a legitimate question raised against Doncic that has been further driven under the microscope during Real Madrid’s Euroleague championship run.

However, as many would see up-close if Doncic is the choice, he’s a sturdy 6’8” with an already thick frame. McDonough even compared him to thicker forwards with maybe not high level athleticism, but they know how to maneuver themselves around the floor at high levels.

Hence why many have thrown the James Harden comparison Doncic’s way over the past year plus. McDonough’s level of concern over lacking top-flight athleticism seemed little to none.

“First of all, he’s really big. That’s one of the things that stands out when you see him in person. When you see him on film, physically he’s comparable to Joe Johnson, who’s a big, strong guy as you guys know,” McDonough said. “I think T.J. Warren’s measurements are pretty similar physically. He’s so skilled at that size and has such a good feel I think you don’t realize on tape how big he is. He’s able to jab, create his own shot. He’s able to lower his shoulder to create space and overpower defenders. He’s adept at getting at the free throw line. I don’t have concerns with him physically. I think if you look at some of the All-NBA teams that just came out yesterday some of those guys were maybe better basketball players than athletes where they test off the charts in terms of running and jumping. Things like that, maybe not but if you put the ball in their hands and they know what to do. And I think that’s how I would describe Luka.”

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

He compared his body not gameplay. But yea feels like they decided on Ayton the way he described him in details

[bwgood77]

McDonough spoke even further on the likes of Ayton and Doncic, who us over at Bright Side of the Sun will continue to break down and nitpick over the next month, but he had some very interesting comments I wanted to share below on both from Friday’s availability.

I am in the camp that believes Ayton’s lack of defensive instincts he displayed in pick-and-roll situations has some concern, but McDonough also pointed to the fact that Ayton rarely was allowed to play center all that often. With senior big man Dusan Ristic clogging up the middle, Ayton was pushed out to the perimeter where he actually handled himself well against smaller guards. He runs the floor like a guard and his foot speed shows it.

McDonough didn’t seem all that concerned about Ayton from a rim protection aspect, but he could learn it under the right environment over time.

“Yeah, he’s a terrific athlete. I think schematically a lot it was schematically. They had him playing they had him playing the 4 a lot with Ristic, so he was guarding away from the basket on the perimeter,” McDonough said. “In the NBA, obviously he’s a center. He slides well. He moves his feet well. He’s a tremendous athlete at that size in terms of strength fluidity, coordination, all of that. What I’ve seen on film and in-person so far, a lot it is just experience. I think knowing defensive rotations. When to switch, when to rotate, that just comes with time. He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.”

When speaking further on Doncic, McDonough touched on his lack of elite burst. It’s a legitimate question raised against Doncic that has been further driven under the microscope during Real Madrid’s Euroleague championship run.

However, as many would see up-close if Doncic is the choice, he’s a sturdy 6’8” with an already thick frame. McDonough even compared him to thicker forwards with maybe not high level athleticism, but they know how to maneuver themselves around the floor at high levels.

Hence why many have thrown the James Harden comparison Doncic’s way over the past year plus. McDonough’s level of concern over lacking top-flight athleticism seemed little to none.

“First of all, he’s really big. That’s one of the things that stands out when you see him in person. When you see him on film, physically he’s comparable to Joe Johnson, who’s a big, strong guy as you guys know,” McDonough said. “I think T.J. Warren’s measurements are pretty similar physically. He’s so skilled at that size and has such a good feel I think you don’t realize on tape how big he is. He’s able to jab, create his own shot. He’s able to lower his shoulder to create space and overpower defenders. He’s adept at getting at the free throw line. I don’t have concerns with him physically. I think if you look at some of the All-NBA teams that just came out yesterday some of those guys were maybe better basketball players than athletes where they test off the charts in terms of running and jumping. Things like that, maybe not but if you put the ball in their hands and they know what to do. And I think that’s how I would describe Luka.”

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

Just his measurements. I'm pretty sure he'll end up going with Ayton but only because he's mentioned we need a C and he is a big who is gifted offensively and can run the floor and switch onto smaller players. Not sure about this statement though:

He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.

But maybe he's thinking of Boston and not guys offensively gifted guys he's had in Phx.

[BobbieL]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

Just his measurements. I'm pretty sure he'll end up going with Ayton but only because he's mentioned we need a C and he is a big who is gifted offensively and can run the floor and switch onto smaller players. Not sure about this statement though:

He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.

But maybe he's thinking of Boston and not guys offensively gifted guys he's had in Phx.

I agree that it seems like Ayton but he not diminishing Doncic and doesn't see some of his "potential negatives" as reasons not to draft.

[JMac1]

Can we get back on topic please, this is a basketball forum not a damn travel agency !!!!

Some FA’s could be reading this. Gotta let them know why they should move here!

[Preacherpj]

Still on teamDoncic over here.....

but if you told me a month ago we would end up with either Doncic or Ayton I would have been thrilled!

So I'm really ok either way, and listen if the Suns think they can make Ayton a better defensive player (he has the physical tools) then he can be a generational type player for us.

[JMac1]

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/25/17396886/bread-and-butter-shake-milton-game-phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-luka-doncic-mohamed-bamba-nba-draft

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

Just his measurements. I'm pretty sure he'll end up going with Ayton but only because he's mentioned we need a C and he is a big who is gifted offensively and can run the floor and switch onto smaller players. Not sure about this statement though:

He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.

But maybe he's thinking of Boston and not guys offensively gifted guys he's had in Phx.

I’ll tell you exactly what he means. He means if he has BBIQ on offense, he has it on defense, but he just hasn’t been taught, what I’ve been saying for a while now. Coaching and scheme is the issue not lack of IQ or drive. He plays with fire. Watch him during big plays for himself and others.

[JMac1]

McD compared Doncic to Warren. Maybe dropping hints that we have that position covered?

Just his measurements. I'm pretty sure he'll end up going with Ayton but only because he's mentioned we need a C and he is a big who is gifted offensively and can run the floor and switch onto smaller players. Not sure about this statement though:

He has a high level feel for the game, especially on the offensive end of the court. And from my experience, guys who have it on that end of the floor usually, in time, able to translate that to the defensive end of the floor as well.

But maybe he's thinking of Boston and not guys offensively gifted guys he's had in Phx.

I agree that it seems like Ayton but he not diminishing Doncic and doesn't see some of his "potential negatives" as reasons not to draft.

So if he is excusing their perceived weakness, then who would you pick?

[Kerrsed]

Still on teamDoncic over here.....

but if you told me a month ago we would end up with either Doncic or Ayton I would have been thrilled!

So I'm really ok either way, and listen if the Suns think they can make Ayton a better defensive player (he has the physical tools) then he can be a generational type player for us.

Im pretty sure that how 90% of us feel.

I mean they are both great prospects that i think will have long great careers in the NBA, but we have to talk about something, so all that there really is left is to nitpick the small things (And blow them way out of proportions like they are major issues).

[saintEscaton]

Wish we could just fastforward a month

[SuperSunsFan]

for the sake of having a fun conversation, which is the worse of these two absolute worst case scenarios? Case 1: Suns draft Ayton, Ayton busts out while Doncic turns into a superstar or Case 2: Suns draft Doncic, Doncic busts out while Ayton becomes a superstar.

[sunskerr]

for the sake of having a fun conversation, which is the worse of these two absolute worst case scenarios? Case 1: Suns draft Ayton, Ayton busts out while Doncic turns into a superstar or Case 2: Suns draft Doncic, Doncic busts out while Ayton becomes a superstar.

They are both equally bad dude