Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

[Darth Celtic]

How can Danny allow tonight's Marcus Smart to walk away for nothing? One might not like his style but he was a #6 pick and is a proven NBA rotation player. Is his hand 100%? His mom is sick. He had a great game tonight. Brad's leaning on seven guys and he's one of them. I'm thinking possible #18. Why not? Smart is a warrior and wild card. LeBron would love to be on the Celtics right about now. He's salivating over our roster. Marcus Smart was outstanding.

How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.

Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.

People forget this. Prior to Hayward we had Zellers of the world making WAY more money than they are worth to match salaries on 1 year deals. We didn't have any. Doing a little overpay for Smart, as long as the years aren't too many, would make trading for a KWL or other disgruntled star possible without losing our team of young studs to make salaries work.

[Braindesign]

I think the goal with Marcus should be a short term deal. 3 years with a slight overpay on annual value if you have to. I don't see his game aging well where he's still an elite defender in his 30s like Tony Allen. He lacks the athleticism and commitment to fitness. His effectiveness on D diminishes greatly when he's out of shape. We saw it in last year's playoffs. Even though he is very competitive, my concern with a player like Marcus is him getting fat and happy on a long term deal.

[sam_I_am]

How could GS let Harrison Barnes walk for nothing? Hayward is an enormous upgrade. Can’t pay 15-30 million for everybody.

Um, because of a little thing like Durant signing? Same reason the C's let Olynyk go this past offseason for Hayward.

EDIT: Also, to have any possibility of trading for a decent veteran down the road, they will need to have salary matches.

People forget this. Prior to Hayward we had Zellers of the world making WAY more money than they are worth to match salaries on 1 year deals. We didn't have any. Doing a little overpay for Smart, as long as the years aren't too many, would make trading for a KWL or other disgruntled star possible without losing our team of young studs to make salaries work.

The repeater tax changes everything so comparison to Zeller Doesn’t work. . We have 3 max salaries now, we have a young stud in Rozier more worthy of that overpay and who will still have great trade value with a new deal, and we have a greater need to spend at other positions this off season - Aaron Baynes for example. It is simply irrational to pay 13 million give or take to a guy who is 3rd best PG and 3-4 th best SG. If Hayward and Kyrie were to come back right now 100% he would have to take Shane Larkins role and might only play when we have a big lead as a defensive sub. Thankfully, his fair market value and the fewer teams able to overpay for a role player should keep him in Boston at his QO.

[Darth Celtic]

They have no problem with the repeater tax, Rumor has it they just want to put it off one more year. Smart for 12m and Baynes at 5m should keep us just under this year. And next year, don't matter, let the tax flow.

[djFan71]

Realistically we would not have that much PT for Marcus justifying a 16-17m salary, I would agree if Brown and Tatum had not blossomed in what they are now but you really have to think about it with the way things panned out, that salary would also not guarantee his tradeability in the future since he is sort of a fluctuant asset, you'll never know if you will be playing Dr. Jekill or Mr.Hide and I think that's too much to make him a "valuable role player" to a title contender, you risk to be stuck with an ovepriced defensive commodity and to need to trade him at the cost of a pick. Another risk comes for the nex few renewal season you have ahead of you, if you extend Marcus for 16/17 what are Brown, Irving, Tatum, Horford asking for? You may have to destroy your team before even becoming a serious contender.

I somewhat disagree here. Smart's ability to defend multiple positions allows you to find enough time for him to justify a 6th man level salary. $15-16mm is a bit too rich for my blood, but I could overpay to a level as much as $12mm with only modest anxiety. I would argue that they don't have that same luxury with Rozier.

I agree with you, already said is 12mil top for me he just don't justifies 16-17, you can take 2 defenders in two different positions with that kind of money, and I agree also on the fact Terry is going to be traded if he asks for more than 6-7.

Yeah, wow, I'm not talking $17M either. It's only good to hold on to him if you can feasibly trade him later. A slight premium, maybe, but nothing along those lines.

[djFan71]

They have no problem with the repeater tax, Rumor has it they just want to put it off one more year. Smart for 12m and Baynes at 5m should keep us just under this year. And next year, don't matter, let the tax flow.

Might have to shop Morris for a salary dump as well, since those numbers are probably right on or slightly optimistic. Esp, for Baynes.

[ConstableGeneva]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

[Half-Full]

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You are? Me too!

[jumblin]

He's far too bad offensively for a bad team to play him big minutes and count on him for offense. He doesn't have the name value to sign up for marketing purposes. He really only has value to a contending team. That pares the field down dramatically, and most contending teams are already struggling to stay under the cap.

[Kalela]

Smart is really not helping himself by taking those dumb shots he keeps missing that are hurting his team. This is the freaking playoffs and everyone is watching him.

[reload141]

Smart giveth and taketh away, expecting a big game from him and for us to declare he's a max player again.

CAN'T. WAIT.

[GuyClinch]

People all thought we couldn't live without Crowder or Avery Bradley or going back Tony Allen. If Smart gets a high offer he is gone. If we can resign him at a good price he stays. It's not complicated.

[Higgs Boston]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

[claycarver]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

So, the Celtics, minus Irving and Hayward, are 1 game from the Finals despite a biased coach weighing them down with special treatment towards and inferior player.

Here's an alternate theory: Stevens isn't a dumb coach with a low BBIQ who favors inferior players at the expense of better ones. Smart is, in fact, a key contributor to this team's success just like his coach says he is.

[Higgs Boston]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

So, the Celtics, minus Irving and Hayward, are 1 game from the Finals despite a biased coach weighing them down with special treatment towards inferior players.

I guess you are a Smart fan, because the argument and logic are pathetic and has nothing to do with what I said. It's like if I say that lue didn't do anything bad in this series because cavs are 1 win from the finals.

[claycarver]

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

So, the Celtics, minus Irving and Hayward, are 1 game from the Finals despite a biased coach weighing them down with special treatment towards inferior players.

I guess you are a Smart fan, because the argument and logic are pathetic and has nothing to do with what I said. It's like if I say that lue didn't do anything bad in this series because cavs are 1 win from the finals.

I'm a Brad Stevens fan.

On one hand, I have Brad Stevens saying he has a very high regard for Marcus Smart. On the other hand, I have some guy on Real GM telling me Brad Stevens has a low BBIQ because Brad does't punish Marcus enough.

This isn't hard.

[brackdan70]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

Hmmm even though there is no such thing as BBIQ, if Stevens is at...say 152, I would peg you at about 63.

[Higgs Boston]

So, the Celtics, minus Irving and Hayward, are 1 game from the Finals despite a biased coach weighing them down with special treatment towards inferior players.

I guess you are a Smart fan, because the argument and logic are pathetic and has nothing to do with what I said. It's like if I say that lue didn't do anything bad in this series because cavs are 1 win from the finals.

I'm a Brad Stevens fan.

On one hand, I have Brad Stevens saying he has a very high regard for Marcus Smart. On the other hand, I have some guy on Real GM telling me Brad Stevens has a low BBIQ because Brad does't punish Marcus enough.

This isn't hard.

What? when I said he had low BBIQ? I said "an unbiased coach with BBIQ", i was saying he was a fan, so what I'm saying is that he is inteligent enough and has BBIQ, but he is biased. Stevens or any coach can't allow Smart do those things on offense, the players have to be used in the right way.

[Higgs Boston]

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This has been quite apparent since day one btw. Stevens likes winning it seems.

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

Hmmm even though there is no such thing as BBIQ, if Stevens is at...say 152, I would peg you at about 63.

First try to understand it and then talk about IQ.

[Fencer reregistered]

That is obvious, he is a fan. An unbiased coach with BBIQ would never allow Smart do so many bad things on offensive and almost never punish him for it. If I were a celtics player like brown or rozier (stevens is hard with them in comparison) I would be mad because of such special treatment.

Hmmm even though there is no such thing as BBIQ, if Stevens is at...say 152, I would peg you at about 63.

First try to understand it and then talk about IQ.

I think it will be very difficult for you to show much evidence of Stevens punishing Brown or Rozier for bad OFFENSIVE decisions or plays.