WCF: P5 | (1) Houston Rockets vs (2) Golden State Warriors | HOU 3-2

[Warchant]

It was obvious that Warriors had better ball movement from the 1st possession of this game. They abandoned post up and iso KD and the ball was moving well, they just couldn't hit anything.

As soon as they started hitting those open 3s, the game was over.

26 assts...better ball movement? Guys actually making shots? Both?

[phr0z3n]

The sodium levels of this place will be unreal after the Warriors win game 7.

[Patsfan1081]

Not supported by facts lol. Make a list of the top 10 players or 15 players... how many are in the East? The East is a garbage talentless conference. Absolutely pathetic.

Giannis
Embiid
Kyrie
Lebron the best in the world
John wall
Simmons
Hayward
Beal

The west talent is all on the warriors and rockets

What a pathetic list ^

Curry MVP
Durant MVP
Kawhi FMVP
Westbrook MVP
Harden
Davis
Thompson
Green
CP3
Lillard
Cousins
M Gasol
Butler
PG13
LMA
Towns
Conley
Mitchell
Gobert

You're really stretching with some of these names, Conley has never made an all start team, Mitchell is a rookie volume shooter, M Gasol is on his last leg, Green isn't a star. That's like the somone adding Tatum and Howard to the list. What west team put together would dominate Embiid/Lebron/Giannis/DD/Irving? The east had two fifty win teams lead by guys on their rookie contracts in the playoffs, anyone calling them pathetic is obviously biased and can't use stats to back up their arguement.

[Jzmaxoct]

It was obvious that Warriors had better ball movement from the 1st possession of this game. They abandoned post up and iso KD and the ball was moving well, they just couldn't hit anything.

As soon as they started hitting those open 3s, the game was over.

26 assts...better ball movement? Guys actually making shots? Both?

It's easier to hit shots when they're open. They gave like 15 open 3s to Klay and Steph.

[floppymoose]

cp3 being the best player for this whole series for both team

[michaelm]

hi

Yeah, I really feel for CP3, the other Rockets players, and their fans. Just absolutely awful luck.

Not luck really. This is the risk you take. There would be more luck involved if he made it through the whole play-offs uninjured given his history.

Nevertheless, Rockets were certainly giving GSW all they could handle and more with Paul on the court, so there is a strong argument for the absence of good luck for the Rockets, just as GSW need to have good luck where Curry is concerned.

I think I may have a different understanding of the concept of luck than you do... it works both positively (as you alluded to) and negatively. To me, it's absolutely awful luck that Chris Paul gets hit with a significant injury right as he's approaching the NBA Finals.

I think Paul is crucial to The Rockets, and makes them a match or possibly better than GSW, as I actually said, not ungenerous I would have thought given I am a GSW fan.

Expecting him to be healthy through 4 full play- off series is an optimistic expectation was my point, as people including me have said all season on this board, and Houston knew his age and injury history when they signed him. I could argue it would have been over in 5 if Iguodala was fit, but he is also a player who at this stage in his career is always at risk of an injury.

Imo whoever wins wins, not that GSW are necessarily going to win, a team can do no more than beat the players who actually turn up to play them, injuries are always part of it, and unless a player is deliberately injured by the winning team players on the other team being injured is of no relevance to the winning team.

[SFrush]

The sodium levels of this place will be unreal after the Warriors win game 7.

Houston will win the game if they get the turnovers under control.

[Patsfan1081]

No it's pretty easy for everyone..

Funny how the highest rated playoff game didn't come from the west...Also a Warriors fan who also likes the Patriots? Hmmm......

lol...Don't change the subject...It's fing easy as a mf...For everyone !!

It's not changing the subject, it makes me question somone's fandom when their favorite teams are two recent dynasty's from opposite sides of the country. Is their even a point to argue if somone just became a fan? I also made a point before that. The ratings for the Boston/Cleveland series obviously show their popularity.

[HotTubMike]

Giannis
Embiid
Kyrie
Lebron the best in the world
John wall
Simmons
Hayward
Beal

The west talent is all on the warriors and rockets

What a pathetic list ^

Curry MVP
Durant MVP
Kawhi FMVP
Westbrook MVP
Harden
Davis
Thompson
Green
CP3
Lillard
Cousins
M Gasol
Butler
PG13
LMA
Towns
Conley
Mitchell
Gobert

You're really stretching with some of these names, Conley has never made an all start team, Mitchell is a rookie volume shooter, M Gasol is on his last leg, Green isn't a star. That's like the somone adding Tatum and Howard to the list. What west team put together would dominate Embiid/Lebron/Giannis/DD/Irving? The east had two fifty win teams lead by guys on their rookie contracts in the playoffs, anyone calling them pathetic is obviously biased and can't use stats to back up their arguement.

Pretty hilarious and remarkable watching anyone try and compare those lists and act like the East comes anywhere close. Such a pathetic conference.

[EarlyRaptor]

Warriors are an absolute lock for game 7. Is what it is. Bet you’re money and win even if you hate them!

[LeMasta]

Dray is a lot more tolerable off-court

[NO-KG-AI]

Save us CP3. The people need you.


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[Ballerhogger]

cp3 being the best player for this whole series for both team

He’s been pretty good when healthy there’s hasnt been definite player . You could say Kd for getting 1-1 early on but he’s been off . Curry as well. Right now klay mvp of the series.

[phr0z3n]

The sodium levels of this place will be unreal after the Warriors win game 7.

Houston will win the game if they get the turnovers under control.

Nah man. You guys got this in the bag imo. Just get ready for the onslaught of irrational hate

[SenZu]

KD carried by Curry and Klay in an elimination game at home against a team without it's 2nd best player, very impressive indeed.

returning the favor for KD carrying them to another title in 17' and for the first 5 games of this series as defense gets tough that Kerr has to resort to KD isos from the start of the game. Because it is that easy for him to get buckets as KD is an all time great and one of the best scorers the league has seen. 30 pts a game on 45% shooting. But I guess that doesn't matter especially the later.

Sheesh the term carrying is seriously losing it's value. The dude jumped onto a 73-9 team and reaped the benefits of comfortably being above any other team, watching Steph get doubled and feeding off of the trash Cavs defense in the finals. Now that they finally faced adversity KD is showing his OKC colours, back to the 2016 WCF we go. Durant was basically a spectator this game, spectating what happened to him in 2016 in game 6, except this time he's glad he's on Klay and Steph's team. That's 3 games in a row he has completely **** the bed. This team definitely has some front running in it, but no one greater than KD at it. If he's gonna continue to do this they might as well bench him and let Warriors play Warriors basketball. Last year he was playing within the offense, seems like he forgot how to do that when Steph went down, got too accustomed to the ball going through him.

[KHRICH]

What a pathetic list ^

Curry MVP
Durant MVP
Kawhi FMVP
Westbrook MVP
Harden
Davis
Thompson
Green
CP3
Lillard
Cousins
M Gasol
Butler
PG13
LMA
Towns
Conley
Mitchell
Gobert

You're really stretching with some of these names, Conley has never made an all start team, Mitchell is a rookie volume shooter, M Gasol is on his last leg, Green isn't a star. That's like the somone adding Tatum and Howard to the list. What west team put together would dominate Embiid/Lebron/Giannis/DD/Irving? The east had two fifty win teams lead by guys on their rookie contracts in the playoffs, anyone calling them pathetic is obviously biased and can't use stats to back up their arguement.

Pretty hilarious and remarkable watching anyone try and compare those lists and act like the East comes anywhere close. Such a pathetic conference.

Thats you reachhin with your list for west

[og15]

My point is that Warriors were losing. Klay got hot and then Curry followed. Then, both went off. Front runner implies they only play well when the team is already up big. Durant was crap this game. Klay and Curry turned it from a double digit deficit to a 30 point blow out.

Front runner is an exaggeration people make. But they've both shown they don't play consistent enough in the playoffs.

And obviously one of them would be guarding Paul, who has probably been Houston's best player in this series and possibly the best player in the series period thus far...so given the circumstances it seems a little odd to use this game as the reason why they aren't "front runners".

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Can you just ignore me? I have you on ignore for a reason but you still quote me. You’re never impartial when discussing the Warriors. Sure, Warriors should have been down in the first place but Rockets shots light out. When Rockets settled back down to reality, Warriors had their own run and game over. I was expecting a blowout with CP3 out and that’s what we got.

I still believe this series was over in 6 if Iguodala didn’t miss 3 games and CP3 was healthy. However, disingenuous Warriors haters act like Mbah Mbah Moute and Iguodala are on comparable levels or imply Warriors fans are comparing Iguodala’s absence to CP3’s absence. Iguodala is 5x the player Mbah Mbah Moute is and ever will be. One player is a Final’s MVP, highest IQ on the Warriors and has the ability to have DPOY level impact. Mbah Mbah Moute is a solid 3 and D guy player who can switch well. He can’t make CP3 or Harden go 1/41 in one on one situations like Iguodala supposedly has.

The amount of disrespect shown toward Iguodala on this forum is insane. He was the MVP in Game 5 of last year’s Finals. That series goes at least 6 without Iguodala. Possibly even 7. People underestimate how good the Irving and LeBron combo was since the Warriors dispatched them in 5. Last year’s Warriors team was better.

I was quite confused at that image, it said 41 matchups and 1 FG allowed, but does that mean they shot 41 times? 41 "matchups" is not 41 FGA. I read it as him discouraging FGA attempts from them, and of course also forcing misses, but I don't know if that was saying that he forced 40 misses. According to NBA.com, he had held Paul/Harden/Gordon to 6/19 FG (32%) over those first 3 games, which makes sense especially since Harden shot poorly in game 2 anyways, and Paul in game 3. The interpretation of him holding Harden and Paul to 1/41 FG doesn't line up with watching the games and is certainly not what that image was saying.

I don't know about any recent numbers on Mbah, but he's a very solid defender, very, very solid. Here's some of what I can find:

Read on Twitter

I am more versed with what he did defensively as a Clipper, and this was part way through the 15-16 season:

Mbah a Moute owned the best defensive rating on the team during the regular season among Clippers who played at least 30 games. He also held opponents this season to just .469 points per possessions in isolation – the best mark in the NBA among players with at least 50 defensive possessions.

https://www.nba.com/clippers/news/mbah-moutes-defensive-versatility-stands-out

“He is one of the best defensive players in the league, bar none,” Rivers said. “But because he’s not a scorer, no one really notices, but that’s his value to a team. Plus his IQ and he’s an off-the-chart teammate. You would want Luc on your team even if he didn’t play; that’s how good of a guy he is on your team. It’s good to have those types of guys on your team.”

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article126657859.html

I agree that Iguodala is a very useful player, but along the way you are short-changing how good Luc can be on defense and his IQ as a player and just tagging him as just another solid 3/D guy. I don't know what his numbers in isolation, etc looked like with the Rockets this season, but anecdotal evidence says it was similarly very good.

[michaelm]

Funny how curry only starts going off when they had a big lead lolol

Huh? Played 40 mins and a game high +33. Curry and Klay were the reason Dubs pulled away from this game.

Klay was the reason they were in it and won it. Curry just started going off once they took a comfortable lead lol

I don’t think anyone could possibly deny Klay’s part in this game.

This doesn’t make your corollary conclusion about Curry correct however. In the run at the start of the 3rd quarter which got GSW level with Houston at 66 each, Curry shot a 3 pointer himself and had 3 assists. He is I believe GSW’s point guard, so are you suggesting him doing point guard things doesn’t count because of his shooting ability ?.

[Pharmcat]

rockets shouldnt be worried: they had GSW on the ropes at home until some dumb TOs and the refs took over in the 2nd quarter...Rocks clean up their TOs and they can win by double digits at home

[NaturalThunder]

Disgusting win with ref help

Once the final margin of victory reaches 30ish, you can eliminate "ref help" from being a reason why the winning team won.