Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[return2glory]

Lol. Brown showed who he was in game 7. There are no indications he will be a star except for some on this board when for some reason think he is going to be a super star.

Don’t me mad their Jeff Green played better than our Jeff Green.

We will talk when he gets a better understanding of the game. If or when he develops a got Ron shot. Until then he is a chicken with his head cut off. Half the time he has no idea what he is doing if he isn’t jacking up 3s.

There is a reason why former NBA players, when watching the Celtics, mention Tatum as someone with star potential.

The difference between Tatum and Brown is night and day. Less than half the people on this board can see that. Give credit to the ones that can. If anyone of Tatum or Brown is going to be a star, I would take Tatum all day.

Brown has a lot of improving to do. Not saying he won’t ever get there. But it’s ridiculous how some of his fanboys here compare him to all time greats when he hasn’t done ****.

Brown right now is the maybe the Celtics 5th best player at this point. It’s Hayward, Kyrie, Tatum, Horfraud. Then Brown is in the mix of 5th best among Rozier, Morris, and Smart. And just like Rozier and Smart, Brown was asked to do more because of injuries to Hayward and Brown. All 3 of those guys right now are role players on legit championship teams.

You're right that he's our fifth-best player, but that's pretty much all you're right about here (also, Horfraud? Really?), and that is more about how loaded our team is rather than an indictment on Brown.

Did I forget Brown had a good game 6? Check the post game thread for game 6 where I have Brown and Rozier props.

Brown is a nice player. 15 and 5 for a 2nd year player that came out after only one year of college ball is pretty impressive. But I’m not ready to call him a star and compare him to future HOFers like some people on this board. I look at his game, and he isn’t no where near a star. Have no go to shot to speak of. His knowledge of the game is average at best and so is his shot creating and playmaking. It’s not a knock on him. It’s a knock on people overhyping him. At this point, he has a long ways to go to look like an all star. That’s it.

I look at Tatum and I look at Brown and to me it’s no comparison who is the better player and how has a chance of being a star. I see that in Tatum.

You can't just cherrypick one game to say "this is who player X is." By that logic, Victor Oladipo is a bum because he spit the bit for most of the Pacers/Cavs series.

What I see is a 21-year-old kid who averaged 15 and 5 and shot 46.5 percent from the floor and 39.5 percent from three-point range on decent volume while posting a TS of 56.2 percent and an eFG of 54 percent. All of those percentages are above league average, and that's from a second-year player.

Then, in the playoffs, he averaged 18 and 5 while shooting 46.6 percent from the floor and 39.3 percent from deep while tallying a TS of 56.3 percent and an eFG of 54.9 percent.

Jeff Green has never put up numbers that good in his life, so calling Jaylen Brown Jeff Green is just ignorant.

Brown does A LOT of things well. He can shoot, he is a great cutter, he can finish over and through people and he is a very good defender with the tools to become lockdown on that end of the floor. Does he make mistakes? Yeah, but, again, he's 21 YEARS OLD. What do you expect?

Some people on this forum have a really weird obsession with constantly ripping players on their favorite team, and it's not like there is logic behind it, either; it's just blind hatred, and it's really, really odd. I don't understand it.

Brown may not be as good as Tatum, but how many young players are? The fact of the matter is that he is probably a future All-Star with a very high ceiling.

Aside from the cherry picking, conveniently forgetting Jaylen showed up for an elimination game at Cleveland.

Bad game 7, obviously, but showed out like a stud in the playoffs despite a bad hammy.

[PierceFan4ever]

Since there’s no AD available, Kawhi is the only player that I would trade Jaylen for and that’s only if Kawhi is fully healthy and wants to play here. Jaylen is still younger than Donovan Mitchell and ben simmons lol. He had a huge leap this season and i don’t see why he won’t be better next season. I was really hard on him last night for missing so many wide open shots but he’s still a second year player.

[ParticleMan]

i don't understand why people are so quick to diss jaylen. dude has done nothing but improve every day he's been here. he is our best perimeter defender besides smart who is other-worldly. he shoots 3's at 40% and is our best athlete.

sure tatum has a higher ceiling. doesn't mean brown can't be an all star level player. everybody talks about the bad game 7 but one thing about jaylen is that he uses everything as motivation. he'll be back with a vengeance. people thinking he's a scrub who can't shoot and has no bbiq because of this one game are gonna look foolish in a year or two.

[Homerclease]

i don't understand why people are so quick to diss jaylen. dude has done nothing but improve every day he's been here. he is our best perimeter defender besides smart who is other-worldly. he shoots 3's at 40% and is our best athlete.

sure tatum has a higher ceiling. doesn't mean brown can't be an all star level player. everybody talks about the bad game 7 but one thing about jaylen is that he uses everything as motivation. he'll be back with a vengeance. people thinking he's a scrub who can't shoot and has no bbiq are gonna look damn foolish in a year or two.

Came here to say exactly this. The hate this kid gets from so many good posters is baffling. We knew he was extremely raw coming in and he’s so far ahead of schedule in just year two. Not even banners expected this kid to be as good as he is this early. Tatum is the much more polished prospect but that doesn’t make Brown trash. He’s arguably the second best wing prospect in the game after Mr. Tatum. Brown will bounce back from this game a much better player in the future

[KumaJG]

i don't understand why people are so quick to diss jaylen. dude has done nothing but improve every day he's been here. he is our best perimeter defender besides smart who is other-worldly. he shoots 3's at 40% and is our best athlete.

sure tatum has a higher ceiling. doesn't mean brown can't be an all star level player. everybody talks about the bad game 7 but one thing about jaylen is that he uses everything as motivation. he'll be back with a vengeance. people thinking he's a scrub who can't shoot and has no bbiq are gonna look damn foolish in a year or two.

Came here to say exactly this. The hate this kid gets from so many good posters is baffling. We knew he was extremely raw coming in and he’s so far ahead of schedule in just year two. Not even banners expected this kid to be as good as he is this early. Tatum is the much more polished prospect but that doesn’t make Brown trash. He’s arguably the second best wing prospect in the game after Mr. Tatum. Brown will bounce back from this game a much better player in the future

1. Jaylen being raw is no longer an excuse because he showed some amount of polish this season.

2. He played shook on the biggest stage at home. You don't cure shook.

[Homerclease]

i don't understand why people are so quick to diss jaylen. dude has done nothing but improve every day he's been here. he is our best perimeter defender besides smart who is other-worldly. he shoots 3's at 40% and is our best athlete.

sure tatum has a higher ceiling. doesn't mean brown can't be an all star level player. everybody talks about the bad game 7 but one thing about jaylen is that he uses everything as motivation. he'll be back with a vengeance. people thinking he's a scrub who can't shoot and has no bbiq are gonna look damn foolish in a year or two.

Came here to say exactly this. The hate this kid gets from so many good posters is baffling. We knew he was extremely raw coming in and he’s so far ahead of schedule in just year two. Not even banners expected this kid to be as good as he is this early. Tatum is the much more polished prospect but that doesn’t make Brown trash. He’s arguably the second best wing prospect in the game after Mr. Tatum. Brown will bounce back from this game a much better player in the future

1. Jaylen being raw is no longer an excuse because he showed some amount of polish this season.

2. He played shook on the biggest stage at home. You don't cure shook.

Of course you do. Lebron was labeled a choke artist for half his career until he finally won a chip.

Jaylen is extremely raw. He puts up stats on nearly all raw talent as opposed to his skill. That’s why he’s so inconsistent. Kid was lights out in game 6 and laid an egg in game 7. It happens

[Geech]

Played through a hamstring injury. Those don't go away with 2-3 days rest. Never brought it up afterwards. Never have heard any excuses at any time.
Wasn't selected in his rookie year for rising stars game. He made big strides and no reason to not beleive he will continue to improve.
Definitely a starter on a contender or playoff team for a long time to come.

[Mr Freeze]

So many people on this board make excuses for Brown. He is only 21. I get that. Then stop with the ridulous comparisons to hall of fame players.

Brown isn’t close to an all-star at this point yet the comparisons to all time greats don’t stop. Until Brown gets a go to shot, people need to ease up on these comparisons. Half the time Brown has no idea what to do with the ball in his hands. Gets blocked twice in the same half by Korver of all people tells me more than I need to know.

I’m happy for his improvements from year one to this year. But comparisons Brown to hall of fame players at this point is his raw career is a little foolish. If Hayward was healthy and if Smart was a half way decent scorer, Brown with struggle to get more than 22-25 minutes a game at this point in his career.

Whaaaaaaaa

You're embarrassing yourself. Before, during, and after Brown's drafting.

He ain't going anywhere. He's gonna continue to get better. He's gonna be a star. Role player my ass. Deal with it Dragan fanboy.

Lol. Brown showed who he was in game 7. There are no indications he will be a star except for some on this board when for some reason think he is going to be a super star.

Don’t me mad their Jeff Green played better than our Jeff Green.

We will talk when he gets a better understanding of the game. If or when he develops a got Ron shot. Until then he is a chicken with his head cut off. Half the time he has no idea what he is doing if he isn’t jacking up 3s.

There is a reason why former NBA players, when watching the Celtics, mention Tatum as someone with star potential.

The difference between Tatum and Brown is night and day. Less than half the people on this board can see that. Give credit to the ones that can. If anyone of Tatum or Brown is going to be a star, I would take Tatum all day.

Brown has a lot of improving to do. Not saying he won’t ever get there. But it’s ridiculous how some of his fanboys here compare him to all time greats when he hasn’t done ****.

Brown right now is the maybe the Celtics 5th best player at this point. It’s Hayward, Kyrie, Tatum, Horfraud. Then Brown is in the mix of 5th best among Rozier, Morris, and Smart. And just like Rozier and Smart, Brown was asked to do more because of injuries to Hayward and Brown. All 3 of those guys right now are role players on legit championship teams.

Not to downtalk Tatum but a big reason for all the chatter around Tatum is he is fresher to the scene, shiny new toy syndrome and just new commentary. Brown’s received a lot of praise in his two years in the league from all over (even from Bron during his rookie season), and rightfully so.

[KumaJG]

Came here to say exactly this. The hate this kid gets from so many good posters is baffling. We knew he was extremely raw coming in and he’s so far ahead of schedule in just year two. Not even banners expected this kid to be as good as he is this early. Tatum is the much more polished prospect but that doesn’t make Brown trash. He’s arguably the second best wing prospect in the game after Mr. Tatum. Brown will bounce back from this game a much better player in the future

1. Jaylen being raw is no longer an excuse because he showed some amount of polish this season.

2. He played shook on the biggest stage at home. You don't cure shook.

Of course you do. Lebron was labeled a choke artist for half his career until he finally won a chip.

Jaylen is extremely raw. He puts up stats on nearly all raw talent as opposed to his skill. That’s why he’s so inconsistent. Kid was lights out in game 6 and laid an egg in game 7. It happens

Lebron was call a choke by people with agendas.

At what point do Jaylen stops being raw? Dude shows noticeable growth yet still gets the raw label. Him being lights out in game 6 don't mean nothing. He had no pressure on him. When lights came on in game 7 he was shook.

[K For Three]

I like Jaylen and he's good. But he is very move able if the return piece was legit. Tatum he is not. And in a way it sucks for Jaylen since Tatum stole all his thunder this year but Tatum is a far bigger talent who develops much faster. It is what it is.

[CelticsPride18]

1. Jaylen being raw is no longer an excuse because he showed some amount of polish this season.

2. He played shook on the biggest stage at home. You don't cure shook.

Of course you do. Lebron was labeled a choke artist for half his career until he finally won a chip.

Jaylen is extremely raw. He puts up stats on nearly all raw talent as opposed to his skill. That’s why he’s so inconsistent. Kid was lights out in game 6 and laid an egg in game 7. It happens

Lebron was call a choke by people with agendas.

At what point do Jaylen stops being raw? Dude shows noticeable growth yet still gets the raw label. Him being lights out in game 6 don't mean nothing. He had no pressure on him. When lights came on in game 7 he was shook.

Lebron scored 7 points in a finals game he choked in 2011 finals. He came back from that awful showing and won 2 straight rings. Jaylen was terrible las night but he can absolutely come back from that. The team will learn from this loss.

[Homerclease]

1. Jaylen being raw is no longer an excuse because he showed some amount of polish this season.

2. He played shook on the biggest stage at home. You don't cure shook.

Of course you do. Lebron was labeled a choke artist for half his career until he finally won a chip.

Jaylen is extremely raw. He puts up stats on nearly all raw talent as opposed to his skill. That’s why he’s so inconsistent. Kid was lights out in game 6 and laid an egg in game 7. It happens

Lebron was call a choke by people with agendas.

At what point do Jaylen stops being raw? Dude shows noticeable growth yet still gets the raw label. Him being lights out in game 6 don't mean nothing. He had no pressure on him. When lights came on in game 7 he was shook.

Lebron was called a choke artist because he collapsed under pressure at a young age. You can spin it anyway you want but it’s just revisionist history. Peyton Manning was the same way if you want to go to another sport.

At what point does Jaylen stop being raw? Much older than age 21. First year starting and really his first real playoff minutes for the kid. Having Tatum here has blown expectations for Brown completely out of the water. Brown isn’t half the polished product Tatum is at this point in their careers

[The Corey's]

Too inconsistent shooting to be untouchable. I fell for it once before

[rd26]

Tatum was great last night and JB struggled, but if JB had played like Tatum did against the bucks, we were home in round 1.

The JB hate on this board is comical. 29 other teams would love to have him. Half this board seems to want him gone for a box of cracker jacks.

[Bar Fight]

Too inconsistent shooting to be untouchable. I fell for it once before

He shot 39% from three in the regular season AND the Playoffs. What's inconsistent about that? And this is a guy who was known as a non-shooter coming into the Draft. He's shown remarkable improvement in his shooting ability, to go from a non-shooter to damn near a great shooter in one year.

[KumaJG]

Of course you do. Lebron was labeled a choke artist for half his career until he finally won a chip.

Jaylen is extremely raw. He puts up stats on nearly all raw talent as opposed to his skill. That’s why he’s so inconsistent. Kid was lights out in game 6 and laid an egg in game 7. It happens

Lebron was call a choke by people with agendas.

At what point do Jaylen stops being raw? Dude shows noticeable growth yet still gets the raw label. Him being lights out in game 6 don't mean nothing. He had no pressure on him. When lights came on in game 7 he was shook.

Lebron scored 7 points in a finals game he choked in 2011 finals. He came back from that awful showing and won 2 straight rings. Jaylen was terrible las night but he can absolutely come back from that. The team will learn from this loss.

Lebron sold that series no doubt about that. The label of choke artist came from agendas.

Jaylen was shook. The lights came on and got to him.

[The Corey's]

Too inconsistent shooting to be untouchable. I fell for it once before

He shot 39% from three in the regular season AND the Playoffs. What's inconsistent about that? And this is a guy who was known as a non-shooter coming into the Draft. He's shown remarkable improvement in his shooting ability, to go from a non-shooter to damn near a great shooter in one year.

How did he shoot in game 1? Now compare it to game 7 when it really mattered.

I didnt say trade him. I said he wasnt untouchable

[Tyakack]

Tatum is untouchable to me. Jaylen is not, for the right piece. Tatum Kyrie Hayward will all be stars next year. New Big 3 plus horford and either brown or whoever we trade brown for. Next years team will be elite.

[Bar Fight]

Too inconsistent shooting to be untouchable. I fell for it once before

He shot 39% from three in the regular season AND the Playoffs. What's inconsistent about that? And this is a guy who was known as a non-shooter coming into the Draft. He's shown remarkable improvement in his shooting ability, to go from a non-shooter to damn near a great shooter in one year.

How did he shoot in game 1? Now compare it to game 7 when it really mattered.

I didnt say trade him. I said he wasnt untouchable

Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters of all time was throwing up bricks in a Game 7 of the Finals. Was he inconsistent too? And he was a 15 year vet when that happened, Brown is a 2nd year player playing in the biggest game of his life. People have off shooting nights all the time. Percentages measure consistency. If you're close to a 40% three point shooter both in the regular season and the Playoffs, you're a good shooter.

[Marvel]

Tatum stepped up when the team needed him to. JB did not. I knew Tatum was the better player and that has proven to be true. JB is nowhere near untouchable.