No matter how good our new GM/coach are, we have a problem...

[theBigLip]

LeBron looked great last night, and I'm somewhat convinced as long as he is alive and wants to play ball in the East, the ECF finals are under his ownership. That being said, I'm pretty nervous about Boston. As much as I hate them from way back, I have to admit Tatum looks like the real deal. The team is loaded. And even though I think Ainge was gifted KG, as well as the Brooklyn trade, he was smart on getting Tatum and fleecing Philly on Fultz. So what I'm getting to is that no matter how much we might improve the next few years, we are going to have to build a team that can beat Boston.

[ImHeisenberg]

I think you're looking way too far down the road. How about we just try and adjust the roster to the point that the pieces even make sense and compliment one another?

This team is dysfunctional at every level from ownership down to the dancing usher. George Blaha and Greg Kelser are the only two humans associated with this organization that bring any professionalism and talent to their position. I'm just waiting for the sexual assault claim from one of the Auto Motion dancers against one of them, just because nothing seems to go right for the Pistons anymore.

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

[hoophabit]

I think the point about Boston is well taken. With the emergence of Tatum and Brown, Hayward becomes expendable. However, Ainge has played his hand well. It's been a tough run for the Pistons, but the idea that we have no pieces that complement one another is overstatement. However, congratulations young father, and best wishes. Sometimes 'Detroit against everyone' bleeds over into people's worldview. Humility as to powers of prediction, and respect for serendipity, are sound principles.

[Snakebites]

Lol.

Nervous? About what?

Yeah, I'm nervous that the continued existence of Ryan Reynolds makes my chances at Blake Lively a lot smaller, too.

Lets get out of cap hell and figure out how to at least string two average seasons together before worrying about title hopes, okay?

[flow]

LeBron looked great last night, and I'm somewhat convinced as long as he is alive and wants to play ball in the East, the ECF finals are under his ownership. That being said, I'm pretty nervous about Boston. As much as I hate them from way back, I have to admit Tatum looks like the real deal. The team is loaded. And even though I think Ainge was gifted KG, as well as the Brooklyn trade, he was smart on getting Tatum and fleecing Philly on Fultz. So what I'm getting to is that no matter how much we might improve the next few years, we are going to have to build a team that can beat Boston.

Not just Boston. Philly, too. Everyone else in the east is playing for 3rd.

[DCintheD]

At this point I’d feel better about this team if they moved to Seattle. Maybe then the nba will give it a hand and bring it to relevancy once again. A hard reality we all have to face is that this organization died with Davidson. It will never live up to its history ever again. Tom Gores has destroyed this franchise. I’d rather it be gone than be the counterfeit it is today.

[Invictus88]

At this point I’d feel better about this team if they moved to Seattle. Maybe then the nba will give it a hand and bring it to relevancy once again. A hard reality we all have to face is that this organization died with Davidson. It will never live up to its history ever again. Tom Gores has destroyed this franchise. I’d rather it be gone than be the counterfeit it is today.

As someone who lives near Seattle I can assure you that you don't know what you are talking about. Sonics fans have been clamoring for a team for **years** since Clay Bennett duped the morons here and heisted the team to OKC. The NBA isn't like Oprah at Christmas where everyone gets a car. You're talking decades before Detroit gets another franchise.

If, as a fan of your team, you suggest that the best course of action is to not have a team then I suggest your best course of action is to not be a fan. And leave.

[Finn McCool]

I think you're looking way too far down the road. How about we just try and adjust the roster to the point that the pieces even make sense and compliment one another?

This team is dysfunctional at every level from ownership down to the dancing usher. George Blaha and Greg Kelser are the only two humans associated with this organization that bring any professionalism and talent to their position. I'm just waiting for the sexual assault claim from one of the Auto Motion dancers against one of them, just because nothing seems to go right for the Pistons anymore.

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats on the new addition. I often tend to agree with you on this board. Not always, but often. A couple of years ago I got into some hobbies that I enjoyed. Basketball hasn't brought much joy in these last 5 or so years.

So Cavs and Warriors... who'd have guessed.

[A_dub06]

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats Heisenberg!

Gotta ask, will he/she be forced to become a Piston fan or should he/she want to follow Boston or LA will it be allowed in your household? Haha


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[Spider156]

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats Heisenberg!

Gotta ask, will he/she be forced to become a Piston fan or should he/she want to follow Boston or LA will it be allowed in your household? Haha


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I'd allow it if they can stick to one team. I'm against bandwagon fans to a certain degree. After 10 years I think you're allowed to pick a new team and I personally would pick to follow 76ers next season because I love Embiid and Simmons' game. They need to trade Fultz to the Pistons for Jackson though hehe that'd be nice.

[A_dub06]

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats Heisenberg!

Gotta ask, will he/she be forced to become a Piston fan or should he/she want to follow Boston or LA will it be allowed in your household? Haha


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I'd allow it if they can stick to one team. I'm against bandwagon fans to a certain degree. After 10 years I think you're allowed to pick a new team and I personally would pick to follow 76ers next season because I love Embiid and Simmons' game. They need to trade Fultz to the Pistons for Jackson though hehe that'd be nice.

Yeah I disagree with bandwagoning fans but I think fans should honestly stick with one team. Whenever I become a parent I think I would allow my kids to choose their own team but I’d also gentle encourage them to take up being a Pistons fan hahaha. Buying them Pistons toys and clothes from a young age should do the trick lol


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[Spider156]

Congrats Heisenberg!

Gotta ask, will he/she be forced to become a Piston fan or should he/she want to follow Boston or LA will it be allowed in your household? Haha


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I'd allow it if they can stick to one team. I'm against bandwagon fans to a certain degree. After 10 years I think you're allowed to pick a new team and I personally would pick to follow 76ers next season because I love Embiid and Simmons' game. They need to trade Fultz to the Pistons for Jackson though hehe that'd be nice.

Yeah I disagree with bandwagoning fans but I think fans should honestly stick with one team. Whenever I become a parent I think I would allow my kids to choose their own team but I’d also gentle encourage them to take up being a Pistons fan hahaha. Buying them Pistons toys and clothes from a young age should do the trick lol


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Seeing Ben Wallace bobblehead did it for me

[ImHeisenberg]

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats Heisenberg!

Gotta ask, will he/she be forced to become a Piston fan or should he/she want to follow Boston or LA will it be allowed in your household? Haha

Thanks! There's a good chance she'll end up a Suns fan, as I'm eyeballing several schools in Arizona for my PhD program, and the wife is super sick of living in MI (she grew up in Texas) and is making a hard push to move southwest, which I can't really argue with as we're coming off a solid six months of winter.

[The Penguin]

I think you're looking way too far down the road. How about we just try and adjust the roster to the point that the pieces even make sense and compliment one another?

This team is dysfunctional at every level from ownership down to the dancing usher. George Blaha and Greg Kelser are the only two humans associated with this organization that bring any professionalism and talent to their position. I'm just waiting for the sexual assault claim from one of the Auto Motion dancers against one of them, just because nothing seems to go right for the Pistons anymore.

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats! We just had our 2nd. And the early struggle is real for sure.

[The Penguin]

At this point I’d feel better about this team if they moved to Seattle. Maybe then the nba will give it a hand and bring it to relevancy once again. A hard reality we all have to face is that this organization died with Davidson. It will never live up to its history ever again. Tom Gores has destroyed this franchise. I’d rather it be gone than be the counterfeit it is today.

As someone who lives near Seattle I can assure you that you don't know what you are talking about. Sonics fans have been clamoring for a team for **years** since Clay Bennett duped the morons here and heisted the team to OKC. The NBA isn't like Oprah at Christmas where everyone gets a car. You're talking decades before Detroit gets another franchise.

If, as a fan of your team, you suggest that the best course of action is to not have a team then I suggest your best course of action is to not be a fan. And leave.

Bingo. If the Pistons leave, Detroit is DOA on getting another team.

As much as I can't stand Gilbert, probably the best current course in regards to ownership would be Balmer getting a Seattle franchise, Gores buying a stake in the Clippers, Gilbert taking over the Pistons and the Cavs doing whatever is going to happen to them post Lebron. At least Gilbert will shamelessly tank and has an idea of what a title winning franchise looks like.

[The Penguin]

Back to OP. Yes, we aren't even competing in the same league as Boston or Lebron.

Seeing Boston's rebuild really hurts as I would have to believe some desperate team would have given us a bounty of draft picks to try to swing for the moon contending with Chauncey / Sheed / Rip / Tay. Boston got Kyrie / Tatum / Brown / a top 1 protected Kings pick next year for washed KG and Pierce. We got absolutely nothing for Chauncey / Sheed / Rip / Tay.

The discouraging thing is Gores ownership isn't even trying to compete with Boston / Lebron / Philly etc. They are just hoping to be Toronto, a full arena and a round or two of playoff revenue seems to be the current franchise goal.

[Billl]

You can file this thread under "Well, duh!"

The NBA is a player dominated league. We don't have any of the top players on our team. Our overall talent level is decent, but not great. We don't have any clear cut ways to dramatically change that - eg young studs in training, lots of picks, lots of cap space. Short of just starting over, we are basically in a position of hoping the next Kawhi Leonard falls in our laps at #15 or the next Chauncey signs a MLE deal with us. (Cue the obligatory lament for passing on Mitchell....)

[Crymson]

Lets get out of cap hell and figure out how to at least string two average seasons together before worrying about title hopes, okay?

My sentiments exactly.

[Crymson]

The discouraging thing is Gores ownership isn't even trying to compete with Boston / Lebron / Philly etc. They are just hoping to be Toronto, a full arena and a round or two of playoff revenue seems to be the current franchise goal.

Pretty much. Gores seems to have had his eye on immediate profits from day one. How he's gone about it, however, has been tragically ironic for all involved; his demands for immediate success and his constant meddling have gone a long way toward ensuring that the Pistons win nothing at all. His perspective is furthermore ludicrous; it was grinding mediocrity and poor management that drove fans away, and more years of mediocrity have kept them away. Further mediocrity in the form of regular first-round exits isn't going to bring them back, and nor will the acquisition of a fading big-name player like Blake Griffin.

Rebuilding the fan base will require fielding a competent front office and an exciting roster with a shot at competing. Gores has thus far demonstrated neither stomach nor patience for the time and work necessary to produce such a roster. Instead, he seems to be constantly reaching for shortcuts that only put the organization deeper into its decade-long hole.

[chrbal]

1 and only problem is the cap hell we backed ourselves into.
What do you want to see? Everyone but Philly, Cleveland, and Boston back off.

Basically, we'll have to/need to try to compete with roughly this team in 18/19. Try to flip garbage for different garbage (galloway and leuer specifically).

Try to actually help Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard and Henry Ellenson develop. Even if it costs us games. Let them fail as well.

Hopefully Gores sells soon.