No matter how good our new GM/coach are, we have a problem...

[ImHeisenberg]

Congrats! We just had our 2nd. And the early struggle is real for sure.

Thanks, man. This is our second child as well. Sleep is at a premium right now. That first couple months is absolutely brutal.

[Drwho17]

I'm not sure Gores deserves all this blame, sure it would be nice if he was a Detroit resident and attended the games but that can be overdone also (see Mark Cuban). Gores took a couple of years with Dumars, didn't jump the gun and got rid of him, then made a bold hire at the time in SVG, Gores hasnt' cheaped out and has trusted his basketball people, unfortunately it didn't work out. Things could be a lot worse ownerwise, could be a cheapskate, could be a meddler neither of which I see in him, just the Pistons are at a tough point at this time, I'm not sure it's because their owner sucks.

[theBigLip]

I think you're looking way too far down the road. How about we just try and adjust the roster to the point that the pieces even make sense and compliment one another?

This team is dysfunctional at every level from ownership down to the dancing usher. George Blaha and Greg Kelser are the only two humans associated with this organization that bring any professionalism and talent to their position. I'm just waiting for the sexual assault claim from one of the Auto Motion dancers against one of them, just because nothing seems to go right for the Pistons anymore.

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats! Maybe your child can become our new GM!

[theBigLip]

I'm not sure Gores deserves all this blame, sure it would be nice if he was a Detroit resident and attended the games but that can be overdone also (see Mark Cuban). Gores took a couple of years with Dumars, didn't jump the gun and got rid of him, then made a bold hire at the time in SVG, Gores hasnt' cheaped out and has trusted his basketball people, unfortunately it didn't work out. Things could be a lot worse ownerwise, could be a cheapskate, could be a meddler neither of which I see in him, just the Pistons are at a tough point at this time, I'm not sure it's because their owner sucks.

Good post. I think there is a lot of blame on Gores and we should realize it could be a whole lot worse. At least he is willing to spend money. Has everything worked out? No, but he isn't trying to be mediocre - he wants to be elite as much as any of us do. If Jackson had stayed healthy, things would look much differently today. But that certainly didn't happen and now we are tuck in cap hell with our same roster coming back next year. Hopefully everyone stays healthy otherwise this will be tough to watch.

I started the thread just to figure what path we are on. It sounds like no one is expecting us to be elite in the next 5 years. In the meantime, Boston and Philly are looking scary. And what will LBJ do this summer?

[SAKURABA216]

The Pistons have an even bigger problem than not being able to contend for the foreseeable future and that is most of the fanbase is falling out of love with this team. The Pistons don't need to win a ring to win back the hearts of their fans, but they do need to show some improvement and at least make the playoffs. It is completely inexcusable that we have not even won the 8th seed in a weak conference for the past 10 years and have never had a top 5 pick to show for it. We need a plan first and foremost, nevermind challenging teams like the Cavs, 76ers, and Celtics. We suck and have nothing to show for the years we have suffered, that's the worst part of it all.

[Crymson]

No matter how good our new GM/coach are, we have a problem: Tom Gores.

[Billl]

Eh - our real problem is the CBA and players ability to force their way onto super teams in big markets. It's all but impossible to convince 1 top tier guy to come to detroit, let alone 3. Even if a smaller market team lucks into a star, you have to really hope that guy is loyal because he's going to have the chance to leave if he wants.

[ImHeisenberg]

I think you're looking way too far down the road. How about we just try and adjust the roster to the point that the pieces even make sense and compliment one another?

This team is dysfunctional at every level from ownership down to the dancing usher. George Blaha and Greg Kelser are the only two humans associated with this organization that bring any professionalism and talent to their position. I'm just waiting for the sexual assault claim from one of the Auto Motion dancers against one of them, just because nothing seems to go right for the Pistons anymore.

Take this post as a joke. My wife and I had a kid this weekend, and I've barely slept. My mind is barely lucid.

Congrats! Maybe your child can become our new GM!

She doesn't know anything about basketball. Exactly as qualified as most people Gores hires!

[ComboGuardCity]

Blow it up. Tank. And build around little Heisenberg in 2036.


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[Crymson]

Eh - our real problem is the CBA and players ability to force their way onto super teams in big markets. It's all but impossible to convince 1 top tier guy to come to detroit, let alone 3. Even if a smaller market team lucks into a star, you have to really hope that guy is loyal because he's going to have the chance to leave if he wants.

The Pistons have been one of the NBA's worst franchises over the past decade. They've been poorly managed, poorly coached, and poorly run by a foolish, meddlesome owner. Exactly why do you believe any star player should want to sign here? Would you want to sign with a perennially unsuccessful franchise if you had better options with much better organizations elsewhere?

Furthermore, the notion that it's all about star players ludicrously oversimplifies the reality of things. A superstar won't get you far purely of his own accord, as the example of DeMarcus Cousins in Sacramento (arguably the only worse-run organization than the Pistons) aptly demonstrated. You've got to construct a good roster, you've got to draft well, you've got to manage the cap well, and you've got to have a good coach. The Pistons have managed precisely zero of these over the past ten seasons.

[Billl]

Eh - our real problem is the CBA and players ability to force their way onto super teams in big markets. It's all but impossible to convince 1 top tier guy to come to detroit, let alone 3. Even if a smaller market team lucks into a star, you have to really hope that guy is loyal because he's going to have the chance to leave if he wants.

The Pistons have been one of the NBA's worst franchises over the past decade. They've been poorly managed, poorly coached, and poorly run by a foolish, meddlesome owner. Exactly why do you believe any star player should want to sign here? Would you want to sign with a perennially unsuccessful franchise if you had better options with much better organizations elsewhere?

Furthermore, the notion that it's all about star players ludicrously oversimplifies the reality of things. A superstar won't get you far purely of his own accord, as the example of DeMarcus Cousins in Sacramento (arguably the only worse-run organization than the Pistons) aptly demonstrated. You've got to construct a good roster, you've got to draft well, you've got to manage the cap well, and you've got to have a good coach. The Pistons have managed precisely zero of these over the past ten seasons.

You need all those things. You also need some star power. Even if you have solid team and draft well, your stars can sign somewhere else. see Durant, Kevin.

Even when the pistons were a great team, nobody signed here. The only way we are going to get a star is through a trade or the draft. With the current structure of NBA contracts, either of those methods means the guy can easily move on to another team if he wants. It's a brutal structure for small market teams.