Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[JMac1]

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[bwgood77]

It sure was a treat when Knight had a really good game a couple of times.

[JMac1]

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[JMac1]

Watch those two games and tell me he can’t be a fourth option and just as good as anything we can get on the market. Knight sucked not just because of Knight, but the Suns sucked. No cohesion or continuity the entire time he has been here. It’s easy to pour dirt on a dead man’s grave. Dude has not played in forever, but he has skills.

I could careless if Knight started if he was playing well. I’d only be disappointed with a poor playing PG regardless of who was playing it. If Knight is the starter like most here are always crying about deserving it, then someone else has to take it from him, if they can’t Knight should start.

[JMac1]

It sure was a treat when Knight had a really good game a couple of times.

Proven! Hate all you want. The man has skills...He broke Klays ankles...lol. And Steve Blake’s, because he can dribble.

Btw, pretty much all the Suns only had a few good games during that time.

[JMac1]

I don’t know maybe BW see things differently, however to average 20 5 and 5 you’d have to have more than a few good games.....smh. Not a good look BW

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[darealjuice]

I'm not expecting us to be good, but I have zero entertainment watching Brandon Knight play basketball. Obviously I didn't like this year's group of point guards much either, so that's my concern. It doesn't seem as easy to come across a pretty good point guard as you'd think it would be given that most teams have a good one and many teams have a couple of pretty good ones.

I haven't really come up with a good solution in regards to this outside of possibly in the draft, because I don't want Payton or Schroder either. I'm not terribly high on Rozier but he'd probably be better than those other options. He's very hard to judge because his shooting numbers were pretty bad before the playoffs...under a 40% shooter overall. Though he is 38% from 3 and about half his attempts were from there. Doesn't feel like a guy it's worth giving up a near lottery pick for or especially more than one, especially if you may have to pay him a bunch of money. I don't think he will be on the block though...I expect they let Smart walk instead and hang onto Rozier, at least for now.

I'm not going to act like I get a lot of entertainment from Knight either, but I'd rather see if this supposed attitude adjustment will make a difference for him than watch the crap we put out at point guard this year. He will be much easier to watch if he just differs to Booker late in the shot clock instead of chucking long 2s.

Celtics don't have much reason to trade Rozier in my opinion. Kyrie's always been injury prone, he's still on his rookie contract, and they're in the position where they'd rather package him to get a star than collect another mid first round pick. I also don't want to be the team that buys high on him when perimeter players haven't been as effective after leaving Stevens.

[JMac1]

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[thamadkant]

Knight's issue plays too much for himself.

Lots of good players who didn't positively help their teams or team mates because they played for themselves.

Knight needs to sacrifice. Contribute not just by being a scorer but using the threat of scoring to make others better. Watch the great players who truly play for the team yet score a lot... Yet more efficiently... They don't take bad shots... They pick their spots and moments but use the threat of scoring to draw defenders and help team mates get that extra space.

[JMac1]

There are plenty more out there displaying his skills. T Wolves and Blazers all in a Suns' uniform. I didn't post these videos to say Knight was the answer, but maybe, just maybe we should give the guy a chance is all. Funny, I forgot how good he is with that damn ball, and he can shoot the three at a good clip and free throws. Just saying before you Marcus Smart people have your way....

[bwgood77]

I don’t know maybe BW see things differently, however to average 20 5 and 5 you’d have to have more than a few good games.....smh. Not a good look BW

I've explained time and time again raw #s like that are useless to post and if you score a lot of points on bad efficiency you are hurting your team.

Now if he can become more efficient, it could be a different story.

And averaging 5 assists isn't terribly impressive if you average like 3.5 turnovers. It amazes me these things are ignored. He takes over 17 shots to get 19 points.

But I'd rather stick with him than go for Schroder. I am not sure about who I'd rather have between him and Payton, given that Payton is younger and maybe could improve more with better coaching, but given that we are likely stuck with Knight, I'd hate to pay Payton on top of that and have like $20+ million or probably closer to $25 million invested in the pair.

[bwgood77]

I'm not expecting us to be good, but I have zero entertainment watching Brandon Knight play basketball. Obviously I didn't like this year's group of point guards much either, so that's my concern. It doesn't seem as easy to come across a pretty good point guard as you'd think it would be given that most teams have a good one and many teams have a couple of pretty good ones.

I haven't really come up with a good solution in regards to this outside of possibly in the draft, because I don't want Payton or Schroder either. I'm not terribly high on Rozier but he'd probably be better than those other options. He's very hard to judge because his shooting numbers were pretty bad before the playoffs...under a 40% shooter overall. Though he is 38% from 3 and about half his attempts were from there. Doesn't feel like a guy it's worth giving up a near lottery pick for or especially more than one, especially if you may have to pay him a bunch of money. I don't think he will be on the block though...I expect they let Smart walk instead and hang onto Rozier, at least for now.

I'm not going to act like I get a lot of entertainment from Knight either, but I'd rather see if this supposed attitude adjustment will make a difference for him than watch the crap we put out at point guard this year. He will be much easier to watch if he just differs to Booker late in the shot clock instead of chucking long 2s.

Celtics don't have much reason to trade Rozier in my opinion. Kyrie's always been injury prone, he's still on his rookie contract, and they're in the position where they'd rather package him to get a star than collect another mid first round pick. I also don't want to be the team that buys high on him when perimeter players haven't been as effective after leaving Stevens.

I agree on Rozier. Boston needs him more than another pick unless they think they could trade into the top 10 with the 16 and the Kings pick. But if they wanted that they could possibly trade Rozier and the pick to Orlando for their pick.

[bwgood77]

There are plenty more out there displaying his skills. T Wolves and Blazers all in a Suns' uniform. I didn't post these videos to say Knight was the answer, but maybe, just maybe we should give the guy a chance is all. Funny, I forgot how good he is with that damn ball, and he can shoot the three at a good clip and free throws. Just saying before you Marcus Smart people have your way....

Dude I watch every single Suns game and every single Cats game. That's why when you post the best of the best of Knight or Ayton or whoever it's pretty meaningless.

I held out hope for Knight for a long time and I will still hold out hope that with Kokoskov he will make sure nobody holds the ball more than 3 dribbles or so outside of specific plays that call for more.

If we can get good ball movement and launch wide open shots on the catch, that would be ideal, and Knight would work.

The problem is, a guy like Knight, and this is a bit of a problem with a lot of players, is they grew up watching Kobe and they try to do all this iso stuff, and iso is generally bad unless you are extremely elite...so you just end up with bad iso or turnovers. Those guys practice that stuff for years.

It's not a bad skill to have in your arsenal, but they need to get more into the team game.

Hopefully if Knight really reflected on everything and Kokoskov really comes in and changes the mindset of everyone and they really work hard to make each other better, and work on defense and all practice shooting (particularly TJ and JJ), everyone will look a lot better.

Hopefully we can cut down on all the unnecessary dribbling.

[Kerrsed]

[JMac1]

[JMac1]

There are plenty more out there displaying his skills. T Wolves and Blazers all in a Suns' uniform. I didn't post these videos to say Knight was the answer, but maybe, just maybe we should give the guy a chance is all. Funny, I forgot how good he is with that damn ball, and he can shoot the three at a good clip and free throws. Just saying before you Marcus Smart people have your way....

Dude I watch every single Suns game and every single Cats game. That's why when you post the best of the best of Knight or Ayton or whoever it's pretty meaningless.

That made me laugh. Those videos weren't made for you, you have your mind made up on Doncic and Knight, I'm not trying to change it. Thought the open minded people on Knight would enjoy watching them, considering he is a Sun.

[Kerrsed]

All Colangelo talk was moved to its new thread (viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1710377), lets keep that subject over there and away fromthis thread. K THanx!

[sunskerr]

Brandon Knight certainly has the potential to be a good player for us. It just sort of occurred to me that he is pretty similar to Eric Gordon.

Early in his career, Gordon did a lot of shooting and ball handling (even averaged 4.4 assists one year) as a combo guard, but then he had those awful knee issues. He was forced to accept a new role after returning from injuries and found it as a guy who takes a lot of threes, and is a backup/3rd ball handler.

I think Knight could easily have a similar trajectory, and perhaps even be starting material if he becomes a knock down shooter. If the other skills don't translate/pan out like EG's did then at the very least I think Brandon Knight is a better player than Elfrid by virtue of his shooting. And Knight has never really played under a good coach, so there's certainly a possibility that he's just in need a system/coach who can utilize his best strengths.

Check these career stats out:

Knight
15.7 PPG, 3.3 REB, 4.3 AST, 41.5 FG%, 35.7% 3PT,
EG
16.7 PPG, 2.5 REB, 3.1 AST, 43.0 FG%, 37.6% 3PT

This year EG averaged 18.0 PPG. I think that's a little bit out of target range. But if Knight can give us 14 PPG while hoisting up 3s at even a reasonable clip (high 30's?) that's going to go a long way for this team. Gordon shot 3.2/8.8 3PG for 36%. I don't know if the volume will be attainable, or if it's even relevant (different offensive systems) but the % is absolutely attainable.

[Saberestar]

There are plenty more out there displaying his skills. T Wolves and Blazers all in a Suns' uniform. I didn't post these videos to say Knight was the answer, but maybe, just maybe we should give the guy a chance is all. Funny, I forgot how good he is with that damn ball, and he can shoot the three at a good clip and free throws. Just saying before you Marcus Smart people have your way....

Dude I watch every single Suns game and every single Cats game. That's why when you post the best of the best of Knight or Ayton or whoever it's pretty meaningless.

I held out hope for Knight for a long time and I will still hold out hope that with Kokoskov he will make sure nobody holds the ball more than 3 dribbles or so outside of specific plays that call for more.

If we can get good ball movement and launch wide open shots on the catch, that would be ideal, and Knight would work.

The problem is, a guy like Knight, and this is a bit of a problem with a lot of players, is they grew up watching Kobe and they try to do all this iso stuff, and iso is generally bad unless you are extremely elite...so you just end up with bad iso or turnovers. Those guys practice that stuff for years.

It's not a bad skill to have in your arsenal, but they need to get more into the team game.

Hopefully if Knight really reflected on everything and Kokoskov really comes in and changes the mindset of everyone and they really work hard to make each other better, and work on defense and all practice shooting (particularly TJ and JJ), everyone will look a lot better.

Hopefully we can cut down on all the unnecessary dribbling.

I agree.

Knight biggest issue is that he has a really low basketball IQ. And when I say really low I mean REALLY low.

And he is a selfish player, he has shown that plenty of times. He looks for his shots and nothing else.

He is a somewhat talented player and plays with a lot of energy, but his terrible decision making and his overall bad defense make him a negative player on the court IMO.

I hope he embraces an small role on the team next season and plays more off the ball as a catch and shoot option or secondary ball handler/shot creator...but I am not sure about him accepting that role....He wants to be the man always on the court, and he is soo bad at that.