2018 Trade Ideas thread

Sushisensei26 · Post #921 » by **Sushisensei26** » Wed May 30, 2018 6:29 pm

Things that get Lebron James excited.

3. Wine
2. Championships
1. THOMAS BRYANT

stan francisco · Post #922 » by **stan francisco** » Thu May 31, 2018 4:13 am

Sushisensei26 wrote:Things that get Lebron James excited.

3. Wine
2. Championships
1. THOMAS BRYANT

Lol. He likes Julius, too. And Ball, who will do the handling that LBJ otherwise has to do. And Kuzma knocks down his threes and does so much more. Ingram as shooting guard? I’m sure he’d like that, too. I know that I like that idea.

Ball
Ingram
Kuzma
LBJ
FA Center, I meant Bryant!

Add Ariza, Rondo, T Evans

We’ll contend in the west next season with that lineup.

Post #923 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu May 31, 2018 6:01 am

Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

LAKESHOW · Post #924 » by **LAKESHOW** » Thu May 31, 2018 2:43 pm

Nice vid. Thanks

Post #925 » by **Kilroy** » Thu May 31, 2018 5:47 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

Conundrum at the 5... It sounds like we need to keep the pick and draft a C like Robinson no matter what we do...

Although after watching that, I'd do almost anything to trade Deng...

Post #926 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu May 31, 2018 6:25 pm

watching it seems like gutting a whole lot... i get why, but it's kind of brutal surgery to get 2 max.
I think I'd rather get PG13 and see where we are at in 19

Post #927 » by **Kilroy** » Thu May 31, 2018 6:45 pm

Danny Darko wrote:watching it seems like gutting a whole lot... i get why, but it's kind of brutal surgery to get 2 max.
I think I'd rather get PG13 and see where we are at in 19

To me, getting 2 max free agents is more about how much a couple Max guys want to play together, rather than just on us to try to open up 2 max slots... Because doing that leaves you more with a Cleveland Situation rather than a GSW situation, and that's not going to get it done...
So I'm not worried about gutting the team to fit PG and LeBron in at the full max, I'm worried about creating as much cap space as humanly possible so they can both come here, get paid enough to "Take Care of their Families" and still be playing on a championship contender... ie; Not the full max for both of them...

If that won't work, I don't like the idea of gutting the team to free up two max slots, because I think it will hamstring us with a WCF contender maybe but not a Championship contender and no way to legitimately get over the hump.

If PG and LeBron won't sacrifice to make it work in the big picture, then let's just sign the better one of them and trust our management and our young guys to get better and build a more complete team.

Post #928 » by **dockingsched** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:04 pm

Kilroy wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

Conundrum at the 5... It sounds like we need to keep the pick and draft a C like Robinson no matter what we do...

Although after watching that, I'd do almost anything to trade Deng...

Ball
George
Lebron
Kuzma
Randle

If I know pg and Lebron are coming, I would trade Ingram to get rid of Deng and keep Randle as the center. Ingram would be the odd man out anyway with George and James in the fold.

Post #929 » by **Kilroy** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:35 pm

dockingsched wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

Conundrum at the 5... It sounds like we need to keep the pick and draft a C like Robinson no matter what we do...

Although after watching that, I'd do almost anything to trade Deng...

Ball
George
Lebron
Kuzma
Randle

If I know pg and Lebron are coming, I would trade Ingram to get rid of Deng and keep Randle as the center. Ingram would be the odd man out anyway with George and James in the fold.

Yep. I would too... Way too much overlap between Ingram/PG/LeBron... They all need the same kind of touches and I don't trust Ingram enough yet to take touches away from PG or LeBron to feed him... Kuz is a better fit (especially if he embraces jump shots as his bread and butter)... Not to mention, probably not worth enough to unload Deng...

Randle isn't a universal fit at C but he's good enough for 99% of the matchups we'd face, and better than 99% of the potential replacements.

Honestly, I'm not sure Ingram isn't the odd-man out with just PG OR LeBron coming... Despite the fact that he's my second favorite player on the team, I've been open to the idea of trading him since last season. It just seems like a logical inevitability to me as long as rumors persist about PG, LeBron or Kawhi for that matter.

Post #930 » by **Slava** » Thu May 31, 2018 8:42 pm

dockingsched wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Danny Darko wrote:Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

Conundrum at the 5... It sounds like we need to keep the pick and draft a C like Robinson no matter what we do...

Although after watching that, I'd do almost anything to trade Deng...

Ball
George
Lebron
Kuzma
Randle

If I know pg and Lebron are coming, I would trade Ingram to get rid of Deng and keep Randle as the center. Ingram would be the odd man out anyway with George and James in the fold.

Why? LeBron is already playing PF in Cleveland next to Love. The line up would look more like

Ball
George
Ingram
LeBron
Kuzma

or add a nominal center like Lopez on the cheap and use Kuz as the 6th man. Ingram is by far our better prospect and if I had to sacrifice someone to move Deng, it'd be Ball and his lack of spacing which doesn't fit around LeBron.

tlifeset · Post #931 » by **tlifeset** » Thu May 31, 2018 9:03 pm

The belief I've always had is that the current front office of Magic and Rob have no problem gutting the previous work done by the Kupchak administration. They have already sent D'angelo, Clarkson, Nance and Mozgov packing. That really leaves three people of concern...

1. Julius Randle. Him and D'Angelo were pegged as uncoachable, it took waiting til his contract year to get into shape for a pay day (red flag) and they tried to package him in various deals. Hate to break it to you - he's either gone as a Free Agent or a Sign and Trade. And they have no problem with him leaving.

2. Brandon Ingram. I think the front office genuinely likes Ingram and believes in him, but he is definitely the odd man out if they feel like they HAVE to trade Deng in order to get both LBJ and PG13 - Either so they can give them their total max $$$ or so they can bring in a third upper echelon player like a CJ McCollum or a Kawhi Leonard to help make them more of a championship contender.

3. Luke Walton. He's the safest because he's in the Laker family and has known Magic for a long time. Plus he's the closest thing to GSW pedigree out there, which is the style they genuinely want to play, showtime 2.0. But he'll never be completely safe until he starts winning... and he better do it soon.

Post #932 » by **dockingsched** » Thu May 31, 2018 9:12 pm

Slava wrote:
dockingsched wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Conundrum at the 5... It sounds like we need to keep the pick and draft a C like Robinson no matter what we do...

Although after watching that, I'd do almost anything to trade Deng...

Ball
George
Lebron
Kuzma
Randle

If I know pg and Lebron are coming, I would trade Ingram to get rid of Deng and keep Randle as the center. Ingram would be the odd man out anyway with George and James in the fold.

Why? LeBron is already playing PF in Cleveland next to Love. The line up would look more like

Ball
George
Ingram
LeBron
Kuzma

or add a nominal center like Lopez on the cheap and use Kuz as the 6th man. Ingram is by far our better prospect and if I had to sacrifice someone to move Deng, it'd be Ball and his lack of spacing which doesn't fit around LeBron.

Hart
George
Ingram
Lebron
Randle

That’s a nice lineup too, I just honestly don’t even consider trading Ball as a possibility under this front office, so hard for me to give it too much consideration.

tlifeset · Post #933 » by **tlifeset** » Thu May 31, 2018 9:22 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Hadn't seen this...

Watch on YouTube

I like Larry Coon, but...

1) this is a waste of time - everyone knows that every player on the squad that can be renounced is going to be renounced.

2) this is the worst interactive board I've ever seen - Spectrum couldn't pony up for a touchscreen with a big salary cap figure in the corner?

Vae Victus · Post #934 » by **Vae Victus** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 12:47 am

It all comes down to how much we have to pay in assets to dump Deng.

In my realistic best case scenario we trade Deng + 2018 CLE 1st + 2020 LAL 1st (unprotected) + 5 mil to a team with cap space to outright eat his deal. Can toss in Zubac or Bryant too.

Then we basically renounce everyone and waive all our non-guaranteeds (Zubac, Bryant, Ennis, although i think i we might be able to keep one), which literally leaves us exactly enough cap space for PG13, Lebron, AND holding onto Randle's RFA rights. The team is literally Lonzo, Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Zubac (or Bryant whoever we think will fit better), min roster charges.

I think, that's attractive enough for Lebron. Being able to hold onto Randle and all of our current youth and adding him and PG13 + adding a ring chaser quality C for the room exception can make some noise.

Absolute best case is that us holding on to Randle's RFA rights with a death grip scares off EVERYONE from trying to steal him from us and we have him resign for just the QO thus giving us another 7ish mil to find a better C and then having the room exception to find another ring chaser to fill another position of need (backup PG).

C - Noel/BroLo? (7ish mil), Randle (QO), Bryant/Zubac?
PF- Kuzma, Randle (i honestly think Randle feasting on 2nd units is his best role)
SF- Lebron, Ingram (sucks for Ingram that he's not starting but a bench mob led by him and Randle could be fearsome)
SG- PG13, Ingram, Hart
PG- Lonzo, RmExcep, Hart

Above is our absolute realistic best case scenario. I know many of you will howl that Ingram is being wasted by coming off the bench, but on this roster he's still easily able to get 30ish mins a game since i highly doubt LBJ/PG13 want to kill themselves playing more than 30min a game in the regular season.

Honestly we REALLY need to make a hard push to trade Deng for pure cap, that way it reduces the number of teams with pure cap to help HOU execute their complicated Lebron opt-in and trade scenario, cuz CLE doesnt want salary coming back in such a trade. They gotta find homes for all the players outgoing, whereas all we gotta do is pay one big lump sum for someone to eat Deng. Not to mention they just cant create cap space out of thin air to sign LBJ straight up without miraculously dumping everyone successfully (Ryno, Gordon, PJ, Nene).

I wonder.... who's on board with giving up 3 1sts to get rid of Deng outright? CLE 2018, LAL 2020/2020 (lotto protected). I'd do 2020 unprotected if i dont have to give up 2022, but lets say a team wants 3 FRPs (albeit with lotto protection), who's down with it assuming Lebron says, he'll come if we keep Randle too along with getting PG13?

Dloading99 · Post #935 » by **Dloading99** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 2:26 am

Rob Pelinka said Thomas Bryant is looking great and all season they have been working with him. if you read the posts you would see Where Pelinka was saying how good he is as a stretch five. He is a big center piece of the team they are developing.

Magic and Rob really wanted Thomas. he is a stretch five and Andrew Bynum was the same way came in and completely changed his basketball fitness. and Thomas is a completely different player you'll see at summer league.

Basketball development is about players getting better and changing there game. Lebron always likes playing with stretch five if you can get a stretch five that hasn't even reached his prime yet that is very attractive.
and Looking at Thomas he looks like a player that possesses all of those skills. very active around the rim and is the type of player that can come out of nowhere and be a star on a team.

You look at Young teams Lakers have a point guard Lonzo A Wing Brandon Ingram a stretch four Kyle Kuzma and a stretch five Thomas Bryant. all those players will be entering their primes at the same time. if you know basketball. the Lakers have built their team to be one of the best up and coming championship teams. They are the next Warriors. cause after the warriors it's them and the Sixers.

The Warriors in 10 didn't say hey let's compete with the Lakers they said when the Lakers are done we will be the next team. and that's exactly what Rob and Magic are doing. Now Lebron you add that yes that's a championship team. and someone like Lebron who knows the game will be doing that making the smart basketball decision to join the Lakers and off court business decision joining the Lakers it makes sense.

You add Paul George to that. this is more than a championship team. you have to two great scorers. the best distributor player in the league and throw a team USA player on the team ask him to be a catch and shoot scorer and play defense. and oh yeah have Brandon Ingram who is only getting better playing a kawaii role and Lonzo only having to distribute the ball and play defense and hitting an occasional open three. and yes that is a great team for Lebron.

Laker_Kid · Post #936 » by **Laker_Kid** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 4:17 am

have a feeling Zubac won’t be brought back in if renounced.

Post #937 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 4:26 am

LeBron is still clearly the best player in Basketball by a pretty large margin... Would love for the Lakers to 'win' him in free agency, but at the same time, I'm really torn on what his legacy would be here... I really don't think he plans on playing a whole lot longer for some reason.

Michael Lucky · Post #938 » by **Michael Lucky** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 4:39 am

He was quoted earlier this year hoping to play until his son was in the league. If that's the case, he's not retiring anytime soon.

Spens1 · Post #939 » by **Spens1** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 6:58 am

Michael Lucky wrote:He was quoted earlier this year hoping to play until his son was in the league. If that's the case, he's not retiring anytime soon.

Is he planning on becoming like Vince Carter or something and playing till he's 45.

loveshaq786 · Post #940 » by **loveshaq786** » Fri Jun 1, 2018 12:49 pm

Our Focus this offseason should not be to sign free agents only, but to get bargain deals that we could trade for. I think a name that we aren't really talking about as much is Eric Gordon. We should definitely give Houston the illusion that they have a chance at LeBron. Eric Gordon is a top five three point shooter in the game and is probably the best value with his current contract.

1.) We could trade zubac for Eric Gordon and number 46 pick

By signing LeBron next, we are going to open the floodgates for free agent signings at bargain deals.

DeMarcus Cousins has gone on record many times and says winning is more important than money for him, I can't imagine that we can't get him for about 17 million dollars a year to play next to LeBron James.

Sign ariza for full mle. Sign Frye for vets min. Maybe wade? Maybe rose?

Lonzo/Gordon/kuzma/LeBron/cousins
Tyler/Hart/Ingram/frye/bryant

This is a stretch but, paul George can threaten to walk for nothing. We could trade Deng and lonzo for him and move LeBron to the point guard position.

Lebron/Gordon/pg/kuzma/cousins
Ingram/Hart/ariza/frye/bryant

If Thunder prefers Ingram, then have Lonzo come off the bench and still keep LeBron at point guard

Lebron/Gordon/pg/kuzma/cousins
Lonzo/Hart/ariza/frye/bryant.

All of this might not be likely, but it isn't out of the realm of possibilities. If we luck out on cousins for a bargain deal, we could easily sign Noel and Rondo.

Rondo/Gordon/pg/lebron/noel
Lonzo/Hart/ariza/kuzma/bryant.

I just wanted to share some of the many possibilities we have. Also what I really want to hear is what bargain deals like Eric Gordon can we take on with our cap? Share your thoughts Squad