2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[WindyCityBorn]

You're far from guaranteed to get a contributor at 22, but it's certainly not so unlikely you shouldn't give it any value.

In the last 10 years, the Bulls have had a first round pick at 22 or later 4 times. Those picks turned into Bobby Portis, Marquis Teague, Jimmy Butler, and Taj Gibson. That's a hell of a hit rate!

And now people talk about Porter like disposable trash. So what's the point drafting players that develop into very solid contributors if you want to dump them as soon as their rookie contract ends?

So your arguement is that the Bulls as an organization shouldn't value assets that can net good players, because some people don't appreciate Bobby?

No I'm saying why do people on here care about about late first round picks if they just want to get rid of them once they are due to get paid? Bulls management seems to value Portis as they should.

The common sentiment on here seems to be don't pay any one unless they are a star. It doesn't work like that in reality.

[GimmeDat]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

[PrimzyBulls81]

I think the FO should just draft who ever they think is the best player regardless of position. So even if lets say Bagley would drop, he should be the pick. Bulls need top tier talent right now, and if they need to they can always make trades down the line to fill out holes.

Agreed, you always pick the player you feel is the best player available, then consider fit later.

Bagley pick would be stupid in my book..I rather have JJJ or Carter then,because Bamba will likely be gone before 7
You dont NEED two clear PF on same team, Lauri is our future atm.. whats the point of getting Bagley there too??

[PrimzyBulls81]

BTW. can MPJ really really play at SF in today's NBA?? Isnt he more of a skinny strech PF?

[HomoSapien]

Bagley has been projected to go 2 or 3 forever now, but I wonder if anyone actually "loves" him. You hear so little about him that I'm wonder if that's the guy that drops. He's incredibly talented, but sometimes people get more intrigued by rawer players.

[No-Man]

BTW. can MPJ really really play at SF in today's NBA?? Isnt he more of a skinny strech PF?

he is more C than SF

if they have indeed promised Hutchison and MPJ,

Dunn-Grant-Payne-Arcidiacono*
LaVine-Holiday-Blakeney*
Nwaba*-Valentine-Hutchison
Markkanen-Porter-Zipser
Lopez-Portis-Felicio-Asik

I guess that's the roster if Nwaba stays and the 2-ways remain the same, which is doable, no space for Vonleh, if Nwaba leaves they might retain Kil I guess

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

Who withdrew aside from Jontay?

[Axolotl]

BTW. can MPJ really really play at SF in today's NBA?? Isnt he more of a skinny strech PF?

he is more C than SF

if they have indeed promised Hutchison and MPJ,

Dunn-Grant-Payne-Arcidiacono*
LaVine-Holiday-Blakeney*
Nwaba*-Valentine-Hutchison
Markkanen-Porter-Zipser
Lopez-Portis-Felicio-Asik

I guess that's the roster if Nwaba stays and the 2-ways remain the same, which is doable, no space for Vonleh, if Nwaba leaves they might retain Kil I guess

I kinda hope Grant and Zipser are not in this team when the season starts. It would also open the roster spots needed. Also, I really don't see a need for Holiday or Kilpatrick in this scenario, but no real need to get rid of them either.

Not enthusiastic about Vonleh, he looks like a fringe NBA-player.

Asik will probably just sit.

I don't see Porter being a C. PF, yeah absolutely. I'd still play him as SF, just because it's his preferred position at the moment, and the Bulls are still not aiming to be the absolute best they can.

So assuming MPJ and Hutchinson, it could go something like this:

Dunn-Payne-Arcidiacono*
LaVine-Nwaba-Valentine-Kilpatrick-Blakeney*
Porter-Valentine-Hutchinson-Nwaba
Markkanen-Porter-Portis-Vonleh
Lopez-Portis-Markkanen-Vonleh-Felicio

[PrimzyBulls81]

BTW. can MPJ really really play at SF in today's NBA?? Isnt he more of a skinny strech PF?

he is more C than SF

if they have indeed promised Hutchison and MPJ,

Dunn-Grant-Payne-Arcidiacono*
LaVine-Holiday-Blakeney*
Nwaba*-Valentine-Hutchison
Markkanen-Porter-Zipser
Lopez-Portis-Felicio-Asik

I guess that's the roster if Nwaba stays and the 2-ways remain the same, which is doable, no space for Vonleh, if Nwaba leaves they might retain Kil I guess

Porter a C??? who are you joking lol... he never was and never will be a center! he is tweener between SF/PF
I wish we will trade Holiday, Grant, Asik asap and Lopez in mid of season.. let the young team develop and grow together
cut lose Zipser, Arcidiacono...
also I hope we dont draft really both MPJ and Hutchinson..I would prefer one SF and C (Carter/Bamba/JJJ and Hutchinson)

[NecessaryEvil]

he's a SF that can play PF. Hopefully we can move on from this soon.

[Proven_Winner]

Bagley has been projected to go 2 or 3 forever now, but I wonder if anyone actually "loves" him. You hear so little about him that I'm wonder if that's the guy that drops. He's incredibly talented, but sometimes people get more intrigued by rawer players.

Also luckily for Bagley he already had pros backing him. Not that it means a ton for his future but it never hurts to have some co-sign your talent.

[Proven_Winner]

That dribble of Zhaire's is kind of tight, I guess, but I don't think in game situation his dribble is shifty or functional. Yet, at least.

Let’s be honest it was kind of trash. That was a straight up practice setting and I could still imagine a defender pushing on him and taking the ball like it’s nothing. Especially off the burst he loosened up and that’ll get you ripped. But granted it was just one clip just not impressive besides the vertical.

[GimmeDat]

he's a SF that can play PF. Hopefully we can move on from this soon.

They are a wide range of people that believe that he's a PF. He might be able to play SF, that one's hard to call at this point, but look around the league and it's pretty clear what archetype he falls in to. I'm not sure why you're so definitively discrediting all that don't agree with you.

[GimmeDat]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

Who withdrew aside from Jontay?

Fernando, I think he had a chance to go in our range, I thought Wilkes had an off chance to go in the 20's as well, would mention Gafford if we're talking relative to much earlier projections.

It's not a bunch of names, but I did my latest board today and I realized that by 22 the only guys available on my board were Simons, Bates-Diop, M.Robinson, Spellman, Melton, DiVincenzo, Hutchison etc. A pretty underwhelming crop, imo.

Very real possibility all of the guys I like a lot/love at that pick (Okobo, Huerter, Okogie, Brown, Musa, Knox) all being gone.

[NecessaryEvil]

well, in one of his recent interviews he said he's a small forward. when i see him, he looks like a small forward, a lanky one but a sf none the less

he'll be able to slide over and play some four, i have no doubt but the guys a small forward.

[JimmyJammer]

Porter was playing like a guard when he was just 6ft5 as a freshman in high school. He looks like Kobe in this video. So, he definitely has the skillsets to play SF, or even guard. Take a look.

Watch on YouTube

[qianlong]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

Who withdrew aside from Jontay?

Fernando, I think he had a chance to go in our range, I thought Wilkes had an off chance to go in the 20's as well, would mention Gafford if we're talking relative to much earlier projections.

It's not a bunch of names, but I did my latest board today and I realized that by 22 the only guys available on my board were Simons, Bates-Diop, M.Robinson, Spellman, Melton, DiVincenzo, Hutchison etc. A pretty underwhelming crop, imo.

Very real possibility all of the guys I like a lot/love at that pick (Okobo, Huerter, Okogie, Brown, Musa, Knox) all being gone.

That's why a deal with Denver of 14th and Faried for 22nd seems very nice. We don't even need that cap space.

well, in one of his recent interviews he said he's a small forward. when i see him, he looks like a small forward, a lanky one but a sf none the less

he'll be able to slide over and play some four, i have no doubt but the guys a small forward.

Also Tyrus Thomas and Beasley wanted to play SF. I get the appeal, but MPJ really scares me as a prospect for health and position issues.

I think the FO should just draft who ever they think is the best player regardless of position. So even if lets say Bagley would drop, he should be the pick. Bulls need top tier talent right now, and if they need to they can always make trades down the line to fill out holes.

Agreed, you always pick the player you feel is the best player available, then consider fit later.

Bagley pick would be stupid in my book..I rather have JJJ or Carter then,because Bamba will likely be gone before 7
You dont NEED two clear PF on same team, Lauri is our future atm.. whats the point of getting Bagley there too??

Bagley has been projected to go 2 or 3 forever now, but I wonder if anyone actually "loves" him. You hear so little about him that I'm wonder if that's the guy that drops. He's incredibly talented, but sometimes people get more intrigued by rawer players.

I would prefer JJJ to, but in case is bettween Bagley and Porter or Carter I wounldn't have a doubt. Both Bagley and Markk may be able to play the 5. Both could be better off as a 4 and are a bad fit defensively, but offensively i think they would be a great tandem, and compliment each other very well. Basically we would be able to play both of them on the same time.

Bagley may never be a superstar, but he will contribute for sure and from day one and he will rack up boards and points.
In case of need trade one of them later with a much bigger value. I could see both averaging close to 20 efficient points next year.

[Red Larrivee]

he's a SF that can play PF. Hopefully we can move on from this soon.

They are a wide range of people that believe that he's a PF. He might be able to play SF, that one's hard to call at this point, but look around the league and it's pretty clear what archetype he falls in to. I'm not sure why you're so definitively discrediting all that don't agree with you.

Plus, he measured in at 6'10.75 with a 7'0.25 wingspan. When you add in his high center of gravity, he seems more PF than anything physically.

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[JohnnyTapwater]

I can see why people don't like MPJ. If you think he's a PF, then he's pretty weak in comparison.

He's a SF that will offer position versatility.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I think, after all these withdrawals, people need to re-assess their expectations of the 22nd pick and who might be there.

Who withdrew aside from Jontay?

Fernando, I think he had a chance to go in our range, I thought Wilkes had an off chance to go in the 20's as well, would mention Gafford if we're talking relative to much earlier projections.

It's not a bunch of names, but I did my latest board today and I realized that by 22 the only guys available on my board were Simons, Bates-Diop, M.Robinson, Spellman, Melton, DiVincenzo, Hutchison etc. A pretty underwhelming crop, imo.

Very real possibility all of the guys I like a lot/love at that pick (Okobo, Huerter, Okogie, Brown, Musa, Knox) all being gone.

Knox will surely be gone, and Huerter seems to be rising out of our range. Beyond that, I think we’re almost certain to have one if not several of your guys on the board at 22.

I could be wrong, but when you take stock of some of the prospects in our range you didn’t name (Khyri Thomas, Lonnie Walker, Jacob Evans, Hutch, Landry Shamet, Melvin Frazier), you start to see how unlikely it is that all of your faves will go in the teens. There are just too many guys.