'17-'18 POY discussion

[JordansBulls]

And wasn't the bst player over the entire season. Iggy won a FMVP too.

Iggy didn't put up a 30+ game score averaging over 30+ ppg in the finals. Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Kawhi Leonard, Cedric Maxwell won finals mvp as well but neither were Duran'ts level in the finals.

"The Finals"

Yes, not "the season"

You're going on ignore real soon if you wantto keep playing this game

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

[dhsilv2]

Iggy didn't put up a 30+ game score averaging over 30+ ppg in the finals. Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Kawhi Leonard, Cedric Maxwell won finals mvp as well but neither were Duran'ts level in the finals.

"The Finals"

Yes, not "the season"

You're going on ignore real soon if you wantto keep playing this game

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

[bondom34]

Iggy didn't put up a 30+ game score averaging over 30+ ppg in the finals. Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Kawhi Leonard, Cedric Maxwell won finals mvp as well but neither were Duran'ts level in the finals.

"The Finals"

Yes, not "the season"

You're going on ignore real soon if you wantto keep playing this game

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

That Durant coudln't function without Curry. He wasn't the best player, period You could try a poll too, would love that lol. Done with it, but you're dead wrong and playing again because you don't like to admit he was outplayed massively by his own opponent that series even.

They weren't close all year, and he had no real argument then or now.

[bondom34]

"The Finals"

Yes, not "the season"

You're going on ignore real soon if you wantto keep playing this game

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

Its his character

[dhsilv2]

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

Its his character

Funny thing is I'm not sure how you mean character...if he's PLAYING one or if the more traditional sense.

And just to JB, either is fine, but you come off often as a bit of a parody of a scoring first is everything fan. I don't think it's a bad thing or good thing, it's just jarring in a world where the game is no longer discussed in that old school fashion, and clearly imo that way of thinking is dated and wrong.

[bondom34]

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

Its his character

Funny thing is I'm not sure how you mean character...if he's PLAYING one or if the more traditional sense.

He's admittedhe mostly trolls, only occasionally making a serious post. I usually ignore him.

[JordansBulls]

Like I care about that. I mean really dude, You are acting like I am saying Draymond was the best player or something. Durant on that season led the team in PER, Box Plus Minus as well as WS/PER 48 minutes. Curry had him in VORP and Overall WS. So whatever the case you can make a case for either or, but I picked Durant because of the finals.

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

Its his character

Why because I picked the guy who won Finals mvp putting up historic numbers and won? If that is the case I would never have picked Wade in 2006.

[bondom34]

Still blows my mind that people still think KD was the best player in those finals. Curry was without question better in the finals. I'd highly recommend watching the series again.

Its his character

Why because I picked the guy who won Finals mvp putting up historic numbers and won? If that is the case I would never have picked Wade in 2006.

No because you've done this for years, and they weren't "historic". You're the only one who's here who thinks that.

[JordansBulls]

Its his character

Why because I picked the guy who won Finals mvp putting up historic numbers and won? If that is the case I would never have picked Wade in 2006.

No because you've done this for years, and they weren't "historic". You're the only one who's here who thinks that.

These were the PER's since 2006 and those in () won Finals MVP.

2006: Dwyane Wade: 30.5 (Dwyane Wade)

2007: Tony Parker: 25.4 (Tony Parker)

2008: Ray Allen: 20.6 (Paul Pierce)

2009: Kobe Bryant: 28.7 (Kobe Bryant)

2010: Pau Gasol: 25.3 (Kobe Bryant)

2011: Dwyane Wade: 32.6 (Dirk Nowitzki)

2012: Mike Miller: 33.7 (LeBron James)

2013: LeBron James: 29.2 (LeBron James)

2014: LeBron James: 32.6 (Kawhi Leonard)

2015: LeBron James: 27.5 (Andre Iguodala)

2016: LeBron James: 33.4 (LeBron James)

2017: Kevin Durant: 32.6 (Kevin Durant)

[bondom34]

Why because I picked the guy who won Finals mvp putting up historic numbers and won? If that is the case I would never have picked Wade in 2006.

No because you've done this for years, and they weren't "historic". You're the only one who's here who thinks that.

These were the PER's since 2006 and those in () won Finals MVP.

2006: Dwyane Wade: 30.5 (Dwyane Wade)

2007: Tony Parker: 25.4 (Tony Parker)

2008: Ray Allen: 20.6 (Paul Pierce)

2009: Kobe Bryant: 28.7 (Kobe Bryant)

2010: Pau Gasol: 25.3 (Kobe Bryant)

2011: Dwyane Wade: 32.6 (Dirk Nowitzki)

2012: Mike Miller: 33.7 (LeBron James)

2013: LeBron James: 29.2 (LeBron James)

2014: LeBron James: 32.6 (Kawhi Leonard)

2015: LeBron James: 27.5 (Andre Iguodala)

2016: LeBron James: 33.4 (LeBron James)

2017: Kevin Durant: 32.6 (Kevin Durant)

So...not historic. And not proving he was the best player. OK then.

[JordansBulls]

No because you've done this for years, and they weren't "historic". You're the only one who's here who thinks that.

These were the PER's since 2006 and those in () won Finals MVP.

2006: Dwyane Wade: 30.5 (Dwyane Wade)

2007: Tony Parker: 25.4 (Tony Parker)

2008: Ray Allen: 20.6 (Paul Pierce)

2009: Kobe Bryant: 28.7 (Kobe Bryant)

2010: Pau Gasol: 25.3 (Kobe Bryant)

2011: Dwyane Wade: 32.6 (Dirk Nowitzki)

2012: Mike Miller: 33.7 (LeBron James)

2013: LeBron James: 29.2 (LeBron James)

2014: LeBron James: 32.6 (Kawhi Leonard)

2015: LeBron James: 27.5 (Andre Iguodala)

2016: LeBron James: 33.4 (LeBron James)

2017: Kevin Durant: 32.6 (Kevin Durant)

So...not historic. And not proving he was the best player. OK then.

Guess it depends on your definition of historic.

[bondom34]

These were the PER's since 2006 and those in () won Finals MVP.

2006: Dwyane Wade: 30.5 (Dwyane Wade)

2007: Tony Parker: 25.4 (Tony Parker)

2008: Ray Allen: 20.6 (Paul Pierce)

2009: Kobe Bryant: 28.7 (Kobe Bryant)

2010: Pau Gasol: 25.3 (Kobe Bryant)

2011: Dwyane Wade: 32.6 (Dirk Nowitzki)

2012: Mike Miller: 33.7 (LeBron James)

2013: LeBron James: 29.2 (LeBron James)

2014: LeBron James: 32.6 (Kawhi Leonard)

2015: LeBron James: 27.5 (Andre Iguodala)

2016: LeBron James: 33.4 (LeBron James)

2017: Kevin Durant: 32.6 (Kevin Durant)

So...not historic. And not proving he was the best player. OK then.

Guess it depends on your definition of historic.

2016 playoff PER:

Durant 20.3
Enes Kanter 22.4

Well there ya have it, Kanter was the better player.

[Missing Rings]

Curry if he keeps his play up should get some strong consideration for that 5 spot this year imo, especially if you're someone voting Lebron over Harden. Harden, Lebron, Davis, Giannis ....I think that last spot is pretty open, no? I'm also not sure everyone has Giannis as a clear top 5 guy.

Umm...who isn't?

I've made my stance pretty clear on that one.

What is your criteria for "Player of the Year"? Who have been yours in the past?

I will openly say my criteria for Player of the Year is how I approach most things in basketball, which is a goal to win a title. LeBron James, without a doubt, and without anyone in the NBA currently even close, gave the best chance out of any player to win a title this year. That is how I view Player of the Year, as in who is the player who gives me the best chance at winning a title.

[JordansBulls]

So...not historic. And not proving he was the best player. OK then.

Guess it depends on your definition of historic.

2016 playoff PER:

Durant 20.3
Enes Kanter 22.4

Well there ya have it, Kanter was the better player.

Why you using 2016 when we are talking Curry vs Durant? I used PER for finals only to make a point. It is like me going to the 2004 olympic games or something which has no bearing on this now.

[bondom34]

Guess it depends on your definition of historic.

2016 playoff PER:

Durant 20.3
Enes Kanter 22.4

Well there ya have it, Kanter was the better player.

Why you using 2016 when we are talking Curry vs Durant? I used PER for finals only to make a point. It is like me going to the 2004 olympic games or something which has no bearing on this now.

I'm just saying Enes Kanter was better than Durant in 2016. I didn't know that before

[therealbig3]

It's not like LeBron was a net negative when he played in the RS, to the point that the Cavs were better off if he didn't play. So him playing those RS games matters, unlike Curry straight up missing RS games. Curry also missed playoff games, which is a big deal.

LeBron, Harden, Giannis, and Davis are locks for my top 4. The 5th spot is still likely coming down to Oladipo or Durant.

[dhsilv2]

Umm...who isn't?

I've made my stance pretty clear on that one.

What is your criteria for "Player of the Year"? Who have been yours in the past?

I will openly say my criteria for Player of the Year is how I approach most things in basketball, which is a goal to win a title. LeBron James, without a doubt, and without anyone in the NBA currently even close, gave the best chance out of any player to win a title this year. That is how I view Player of the Year, as in who is the player who gives me the best chance at winning a title.

I still think harden would be winning by your criteria. I don't like to overly get into non basketball, but Lebron was a real problem for the cavs he chased away Irving while harden brought in paul. The whole cavs team had to be turned over AGAIN mid season and lebron seemed a part of that one too.

For me though I'm always skeptical of playoff results so I hold them both in higher and lower regard. I respect their added value, but I don't trust the numbers as much either.

Last year was tough but it would have been likely Curry. Curry the year before as well sometimes WOW factor has to matter and he was WOW for 96% of the year. I'd have to think about prior years but my focus is on value add and I focus on what I can be objective about. If there's a doubt, then I downgrade it. I try with injuries to accept them while not ignoring them. I do however feel timing is dumb luck and that shouldn't be held against people.

[MartinToVaught]

The debate is over. LeBron is POY and the real MVP.

[MartinToVaught]

Lebron was a real problem for the cavs he chased away Irving

Why do you guys keep trying to use this narrative when we all know it's not true?

[GSP]

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