'17-'18 POY discussion

[therealbig3]

LeBron isn't going to score 51 every night, but if he continues to play great, whether or not his team wins a game, I don't see how he couldn't be POY. Harden went up against this same team with a lot more help and played awful offensively.

I said it towards the end of the RS, when I was skeptical of LeBron. I don't know if I even had him in my top 5 at that point...he would have to massively outplay everyone else in the playoffs to secure POY.

Well, he did.

[dhsilv2]

Lebron was a real problem for the cavs he chased away Irving

Why do you guys keep trying to use this narrative when we all know it's not true?

explain?

[Doctor MJ]

I have to say, it's awfully hard to imagine voting for anyone other than LeBron at #1 right now.

[MartinToVaught]

Lebron was a real problem for the cavs he chased away Irving

Why do you guys keep trying to use this narrative when we all know it's not true?

explain?

Kyrie was taking more FGA and had a higher usage rate than LeBron last year, so he clearly wasn't being marginalized on the court.

LeBron used to tell reporters all the time that Kyrie was the best point guard in the league, so you can't say he was ever trying to discredit him or diminish his contributions to the team.

LeBron reportedly begged the Cavs' front office not to trade Kyrie, so he obviously wasn't trying to get Kyrie traded.

As far as I can tell, this narrative that LeBron ran Kyrie off only exists because his haters think everything is his fault. It's definitely not based in any facts.

[dhsilv2]

Why do you guys keep trying to use this narrative when we all know it's not true?

explain?

Kyrie was taking more FGA and had a higher usage rate than LeBron last year, so he clearly wasn't being marginalized on the court.

LeBron used to tell reporters all the time that Kyrie was the best point guard in the league, so you can't say he was ever trying to discredit him or diminish his contributions to the team.

LeBron reportedly begged the Cavs' front office not to trade Kyrie, so he obviously wasn't trying to get Kyrie traded.

As far as I can tell, this narrative that LeBron ran Kyrie off only exists because his haters think everything is his fault. It's definitely not based in any facts.

Irving wanted to leave lebron....not the other way around.

[laika]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

[therealbig3]

I mean, this might be for the 4th straight year now that LeBron leads a comparable or better playoff offense than GS with Curry. That's absolutely insane if you look at the difference in supporting casts over that time.

[therealbig3]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

Eh, the officiating was bad enough to the point that people were questioning if it was intentional. Also, the possible explanation is right there in some of your quotes, there was a lot of money to be made if the Warriors covered the spread.

I don't think it was intentional, but the officiating was bad and favored the Warriors. That's a perfectly legitimate stance.

We debate all types of things like coaching, star performance, and supporting cast performance, and how they all impact the outcome of a game...why can't the officiating be questioned as well? It has just as much of an impact, if not more so, as anything else.

[therealbig3]

Anyway, on to game 2...anyone else feel like the Cavs have a lot of positive to build off this game? LeBron was superhuman, but there's a lot of room for improvement in the supporting cast performance, and I don't see why LeBron himself couldn't continue playing great, even if he's not scoring 50+ every game.

[Dr Spaceman]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

None of those posters are Cleveland fans and Peregrine is a Warriors fan.

[GSP]

I mean, this might be for the 4th straight year now that LeBron leads a comparable or better offense than GS with Curry. That's absolutely insane if you look at the difference in supporting casts over that time.

Before Kd got there the big difference in supporting cast was always on the defensive end

[therealbig3]

I mean, this might be for the 4th straight year now that LeBron leads a comparable or better offense than GS with Curry. That's absolutely insane if you look at the difference in supporting casts over that time.

Before Kd got there the big difference in supporting cast was always on the defensive end

I would take Green and Klay and Iggy in 15 and 16 over Kyrie and Love and Smith. Kyrie was fantastic in the Finals though.

[bondom34]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

I never knew I was a Cavs fan

[dhsilv2]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

We'll I won't put words in these's people's mouths but I don't believe these were people claiming the game was fixed or rigged.

[therealbig3]

Also, wasn't laika also complaining about the refs apparently ignoring offensive fouls on James and calling that ridiculous? Why is it ok for you to complain about refs but not others?

And we have to put in context that a lot of these comments were due to emotions following a roller coaster game. Speaking objectively now, the officiating was awful, but I don't believe it was intentional. I just don't think the NBA has refs that are competent enough.

[bondom34]

TBH I almost think that was rigged. It was that blatant

[INKtastic]

Because it eliminates any argument James Harden had. He proved the regular season didn't matter and dominated the Warriors at a level James Harden never approached. The only thing standing in the way was the Cavs couldn't compete with Golden State and it's gone.

Fair enough. I don't see this as evidence that the cavs can compete. It is just a single game.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199806070CHI.html

I remember like yesterday this game, and I recall how scared I was in game 6 that if the jazz won, they'd win game 7 without a question. You can only take so much out of one game.

I think they are screwed now. It takes a ridiculously mentally tough team to come back from what happened tonight. Probably over in 4-5. I'm in Spaceman mode from last round where I'm so upset that we had a chance to have a great series going forward with an underdog team that worked their ass of only to get screwed (unintentionally of course) than taunted by the frontrunners who should've lost. It's a damn shame.

The game 1 loss in 2015 was more devastating. They didn't have the controversial call, but they did play well enough to win in regulation, didn't get it done, then Kyrie broke his knee in overtime where they lost by 8. They bounced back and won the next two games. If they can bounce back from losing Kyrie, they can bounce back from this.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Can you quote anyone here using the word rigged? That isn't what has been said so unless you have someone saying it here and more importantly multiple people, please don't put those words into people's mouths. People feel bad calls changed the outcome of a game, that is NOTHING like being rigged.

Whatever. These quotes go well beyond Cleveland fans being unhappy a call went against them.

MartinToVaught- "This game proves that even if nothing else is working for the Warriors, the refs will step in to make sure they still win."

IG2- "Probably because LeBron didn't actually get beat. He got screwed."

WinisKing- "still get c*ckblocked from a win because JR and the refs are higher than mount everest. "

Bled- "What a sham of a game."

MyUniBroDavis- "Trying to get over the fact that lebron was single handedly beating the refs"

MisterHibachi- "Refs definitely tried to cover the spread"

Peregrine01- "Vegas stood to lose a lot of money had Cavs won game 1"

GSP= "It was blatant"- referring to refs cheating.

therealbig3- "You won because the refs handed you the game. "

bondom34- "I'm for the first time now questioning the integrity of it."

HeartBreakKid- "these refs just love sucking gsw's d*ck"

Krodis- "The Warriors get favorable whistles three games in a row"

toodles23- "the officiating was absolutely horrific and massively favored the Warriors. "

NinjaSheppard- "I turned the TV off. No need to watch fixed sports."

There would have been a whole lot more if I had used multiple posts per user or bothered to go back to the Houston series.

Also, no one has even begun to offer an explanation of why the league would rig thing for the Warriors.

Beating the refs =/= nba is rigged

If you are trying to say this was a properly reffed game then you didn’t watch it lol.

The warriors didn’t win this game, the refs took it from the cavs. Beyond the 5-6 nocalls in a row, the blocking foul play shouldn’t have even been reviewed. You can only review it if you aren’t sure if he’s inside or outside the restricted area.

I’m wondering how the refs couldn’t be sure considering he was a whole 3 feet out

[HeartBreakKid]

I said the refs love sucking GSW's dick...which is true - draymond green should have double the technicals he has in his career.


I didn't bloody say it is rigged, I just think laila's argument for why it wouldn't be rigged is dumb and inaccurate.

[weekend_warrior]

I wasn't here very often in the last months so I don't know if this is a recent development or not...but this thread (once a really good one with sound player discussion) has become absolutely unreadable. Doesn't matter which side it is. It looks like the GB game thread, it's really a shame.