2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[bigworld2017]

well there needs to be narration for those who are less basketball wise talented but they need to stand out somehow. So it's a hustle thing aka kirk hinrich's. Gym rats, first one in last one out etc.

Overall winning on college is meaningless given best player in NBA last 15 years didnt even play a single college game. To me that's overall non factor.

I think IQ is even more important now that ever before in this NBA with so much complex defensive schemes and switching along with ball movement and player movement on offense.

MIkal has an elite IQ IMO. He played system team ball inside a defined role at Nova. I think in the league with more pace and space he will thrive. I think he can get his own shot too due to his length.

I don't think he's going to be a bad player, in fact I think he'll probably be a solid starter or at worst solid rotation guy. Thing is he's old (he'll be a 22 year old rookie) and thus has limited upside. Bulls need to swing for the fences here. Getting a 19-20 old guy that might take a few years is fine. Not like this is a contender in 2019.

A 22 year old that can become a quality starter in Year 1 is not old. What's the difference if that 19 year old takes 2 years to become a quality starter? Mikal gives us solid production individually and makes us a better TEAM immediately due to his defensive abilities. He makes Lavine and Lauri better. He would be a highly efficient 3rd option scorer that doesn't demand the ball. A perfect team player, willing to do whatever it takes for the TEAM to be successful. That's the kind of player I'd want on my squad. None of the players in this draft are going to put us into the Finals in 2 years. Those players come around once or twice a generation. For the purposes of our timeline it is only important that the players we get in this Draft make us better. Mikal does that. Carter would do that too, just not as quickly. What Gar Pax has to do is make us better with the perception that we are a team ascending with a good young core. The key is to make the Bulls attractive to high quality free agents that could put us over the top. I'm looking toward the 2019 and 2020 crop of potential free agents. Lots of teams are not going to be able to be players in future free agency because their salary cap is eaten alive by huge albatross contracts. The Bulls will be in a position to compete for guys because we will have the wallet to do so. But we also have to look like we could compete in the East with a few key additions. Guys want money but they also want a chance to win.

[wonderboy2]

Just because Porter is “determined to get to Chicago” doesn’t make it right. Do the right thing - always.

Paul George’s situation isn’t even comparable. He was handsomely paid while in Indiana and gave the Pacers plenty of time to build a championship team around him.

What’s Porter done? ..........oh yeah almost forgot HS!!!

I see where you are coming from but you have to look at it from a different perspective. Say that you worked hard and graduated college. You go on several interviews and you see that perfect fit. The other jobs might offer you more money at the moment but you see your dream company that you always wanted to be apart of. Wouldn’t you try to do everything possible to go to your dream job? You can’t be mad at kids for trying to do what’s best for them.

That’s not the system - the scenario you show doesn’t apply.

Ofcourse it does. If a player doesn’t feel like he fits in well with a team or situation he shouldn’t have to go out of his way to get drafted by them. Same is true in the workforce. If you don’t feel like the company you work for is a good fit, you chose a different company.

[logical_art]

Yeah I'd be surprised if he was a true 6' 7".

Donte Divincenzo measured out at 6' 4.5".


Doesn't really affect his physicals for me though, wingspan >>> head location.

standing reach >>>>> wingspan.

I never get why people cite wingspan instead of standing reach when citing a players length. The objective is to put the ball in the basket and prevent the other team from putting the ball in the basket. The basket is above all players, not to their side

You have to consider you play a lot of defense side to side. The bigger wingspan means the more area you take away from the offensive guy both denying the ball and the drive and gives you a window to recover if you slip up. You would defend the perimeter with your hands up above your head the entire time and if you did a faster guy would run by you and get in the paint every time. Both are equally important.

Sure but ultimately it comes down to challenging shooters and shooting over defenders and that's vertical, not horizontal.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I see where you are coming from but you have to look at it from a different perspective. Say that you worked hard and graduated college. You go on several interviews and you see that perfect fit. The other jobs might offer you more money at the moment but you see your dream company that you always wanted to be apart of. Wouldn’t you try to do everything possible to go to your dream job? You can’t be mad at kids for trying to do what’s best for them.

That’s not the system - the scenario you show doesn’t apply.

Ofcourse it does. If a player doesn’t feel like he fits in well with a team or situation he shouldn’t have to go out of his way to get drafted by them. Same is true in the workforce. If you don’t feel like the company you work for is a good fit, you chose a different company.

Out in the real world you go where you want.

The NBA is different. It’s not a free agent rookie system.

[Truebiscuit]

I’m not a fan of anyone doing it. That’s not my makeup that’s not me. Go hard do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may. There’s enough shady and **** in the world.

Hold up... you're saying this as a WHITE SOX fan? They are completely tanking on purpose, my friend!

Back on topic... I believe you make your own destiny. I can't bag on him for going after what he wants. Don't forget, he IS costing himself money by doing this.

It’s not about tanking. The WhiteSox are going hard and building a team the right way. They aren’t doing anything shady.

They're going hard by intentionally losing games and selling off their best players for prospects? Hmm... agree to disagree here.

[blicka]

You guys have to think outside the box. Mikal bridges is a solid but I'm not drafting him 7th. You can get a mikal bridges caliber player in the 10-35 range

Also,say lauri bulks up and gets some lower body strength by age 23-24 he can post up,box out and play more physical.What happens when you draft carter who is a 5 in the nba? Then what? You have a player in lauri who can play the 4 and 5

Vs small ball line ups where does carter play?

you have a mismatch because lauri is 7 footer who can post up/shoot over any switches & can defend vs a small ball lineup.What purpose does wendell carter serve then?

[Axolotl]

Out in the real world you go where you want.

The NBA is different. It’s not a free agent rookie system.

If the NBA didn't approve, surely they would say so - maybe even make a rule.

[Proven_Winner]

standing reach >>>>> wingspan.

I never get why people cite wingspan instead of standing reach when citing a players length. The objective is to put the ball in the basket and prevent the other team from putting the ball in the basket. The basket is above all players, not to their side

You have to consider you play a lot of defense side to side. The bigger wingspan means the more area you take away from the offensive guy both denying the ball and the drive and gives you a window to recover if you slip up. You would defend the perimeter with your hands up above your head the entire time and if you did a faster guy would run by you and get in the paint every time. Both are equally important.

Sure but ultimately it comes down to challenging shooters and shooting over defenders and that's vertical, not horizontal.

Yea and sometimes it’s on a slant guys won’t lay up into a guy just holding his hands up they simply go around in which you being long side to side will help deny that from happening. You also have to raise your hands to see the effectiveness of standing reach wingspan shows more since you’re already supposed to have your arms out on defense anyways. Both are simply tools neither is more important and both mean nothing if the guy controlling can’t use it effectively.

[bigworld2017]

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GarPax: Please, please trade up and get this guy. #7,#22, Portis and Holiday might do it. The Griz need lots of help. We have to get ahead of Dallas at least. Who knows. He could get picked up by Atlanta. Atlanta could turn their franchise around in one draft by taking Bamba at #3, Troy Brown at #19 and DiVincenzo at #30. Bamba with a legitimate 3-ball and 15 more pounds of muscle? Forgetaboutit.

[logical_art]

@ Mods. Cant we have two threads, one for 7 and one for 22? I feel talk about the 22 pick is being buried.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Hold up... you're saying this as a WHITE SOX fan? They are completely tanking on purpose, my friend!

Back on topic... I believe you make your own destiny. I can't bag on him for going after what he wants. Don't forget, he IS costing himself money by doing this.

It’s not about tanking. The WhiteSox are going hard and building a team the right way. They aren’t doing anything shady.

They're going hard by intentionally losing games and selling off their best players for prospects? Hmm... agree to disagree here.

They’re not intentionally losing games they just don’t have the talent/experience yet.

Their organization has been so screwed up that now they’re doing the right thing.

[DuckIII]

@ Mods. Cant we have two threads, one for 7 and one for 22? I feel talk about the 22 pick is being buried.

I’m not a mod anymore, but this is a really good idea. I will post it on the mod board for you.

[TheFinishSniper]

I think IQ is even more important now that ever before in this NBA with so much complex defensive schemes and switching along with ball movement and player movement on offense.

MIkal has an elite IQ IMO. He played system team ball inside a defined role at Nova. I think in the league with more pace and space he will thrive. I think he can get his own shot too due to his length.

I don't think he's going to be a bad player, in fact I think he'll probably be a solid starter or at worst solid rotation guy. Thing is he's old (he'll be a 22 year old rookie) and thus has limited upside. Bulls need to swing for the fences here. Getting a 19-20 old guy that might take a few years is fine. Not like this is a contender in 2019.

A 22 year old that can become a quality starter in Year 1 is not old. What's the difference if that 19 year old takes 2 years to become a quality starter? Mikal gives us solid production individually and makes us a better TEAM immediately due to his defensive abilities. He makes Lavine and Lauri better. He would be a highly efficient 3rd option scorer that doesn't demand the ball. A perfect team player, willing to do whatever it takes for the TEAM to be successful. That's the kind of player I'd want on my squad. None of the players in this draft are going to put us into the Finals in 2 years. Those players come around once or twice a generation. For the purposes of our timeline it is only important that the players we get in this Draft make us better. Mikal does that. Carter would do that too, just not as quickly. What Gar Pax has to do is make us better with the perception that we are a team ascending with a good young core. The key is to make the Bulls attractive to high quality free agents that could put us over the top. I'm looking toward the 2019 and 2020 crop of potential free agents. Lots of teams are not going to be able to be players in future free agency because their salary cap is eaten alive by huge albatross contracts. The Bulls will be in a position to compete for guys because we will have the wallet to do so. But we also have to look like we could compete in the East with a few key additions. Guys want money but they also want a chance to win.

we dont necessarily want better team if this team has no chance to competing in future due low ceiling of it's players which will mess with building competitive team around Lauri in his prime. You dont want to be good when Lauri is unexperienced player. You want to be good in 3 to 4 years. If anything you want to take youngest most athletic possible player who will be good and shown tremendous upside but due lack of experience and lack of overall skill his team can tank another year to get another high lottery pick giving you chance to add another chance TREMENDOUS talent. if anything you would theoretically prefer our pick in June skips next year aka being red shirted and is ready for year after. That's why I have no problem picking Porter Jr. regardless of his back. If anything that's blessing in disguise.

That's ultimate way to success. Take risks and makes risks pay off. Reward is double. That's only option given we failed to properly tank.

[Truebiscuit]

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Sounds like June 6th then...

[Red Larrivee]

If all this Porter stuff is true then no thanks. But if it’s not?

On a serious note what does this say about his character and competitiveness? I don’t want a kid that isn’t killing himself to PROVE he’s no.1. If it’s all a ploy to get to Chicago it’s weaksauce. Kids that are truly great and special have that drive no matter what the situation. This would be basically the opposite of that. Those of you that believe Paxson would be in on it because of his relationship with his agent haven’t been paying attention. It would go completely against what Pax is and has always been. We don’t do Prima Donnas pushing themselves down to 7. Why invite that kind of cancer into the organism? This is all just my opinion replaying to this scheme to get to Chicago. If you add in the back surgery and all the questions/holes in his game........pfffftttt.

I'm having a hard time believing that Porter is 100% all in on going to the Bulls, when he's really not even in a situation where losing money on draft position is a great thing. If Chicago for some reason passes, he's going to lose a ton of money. That floor isn't worth it. If a team like Atlanta has serious interest in him, he'd be a fool to back away from it.

I think there's smoke to the fire. There's no blatant sabotage going on from his camp.

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[logical_art]

Four similar SGs IMO. How do you rank them?

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=hamidou-diallo--josh-okogie--zhaire-smith--lonnie-walker

[StunnerKO]

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[NDave79]

I think it's probably wishful thinking that MPJ is tanking his stock so he can fall to the Bulls. He would definitely need a guarantee from the Bulls to do this. If he already has a guarantee, why is he even going to have a pro day. I can't imagine he would set that up just to throw it. It would be fairly embarrassing to look like crap in front of a bunch of people. If he has a guarantee from the Bulls and that's were he wanted to go, wouldn't he just shut everything down like like Hutchison did.

However, if he is doing everything in his power to get to the Bulls, this just makes me like him more. I wish Doncic would do this, or Bamba.

We tend to take for granted being able to retain players we want to keep, but stars are moving around more and more. So I consider it a plus if somebody desperately wants to be in Chicago to the point that they are willing to sacrifice millions.

All that said, I will admit, all the negative press lately seems a little much. All of a sudden

- the back looks worse than we thought
- bad teammate
- bad interview
- selfish

[weneeda2guard]

You guys have to think outside the box. Mikal bridges is a solid but I'm not drafting him 7th. You can get a mikal bridges caliber player in the 10-35 range

Also,say lauri bulks up and gets some lower body strength by age 23-24 he can post up,box out and play more physical.What happens when you draft carter who is a 5 in the nba? Then what? You have a player in lauri who can play the 4 and 5

Vs small ball line ups where does carter play?

you have a mismatch because lauri is 7 footer who can post up/shoot over any switches & can defend vs a small ball lineup.What purpose does wendell carter serve then?

We just watched a finals game where both teams in it didn't even really use a 5 at all. They using guys like draymond, tristan and Kevin love who would historically be 4s at 5, so in this draft unless a special big drops which imo is only ayton or bamba, you go wing, which is porter jr or bridges. Guys like georgi dieng and thon maker are riding pine based on how the league is shaping up, in this day you go wing imo.

Now if bamba is there, then you def take him.

Imo though, mpj and bridges will be there and gar pax will draft carter, just to try and be the smartest people in the room. This board will melt down.

[bad knees]

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Sounds like June 6th then...

Why is he doing a Pro Day if the fix is in with the Bulls? Aren't "Pro Days" generally open to all scouts? I would have expected news of a meeting/workout for the Bulls alone if all the speculation is true.