2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[CoreyVillains]

And you think Bridges will be any better? His best role would sitting in corner being set up by buys like Lebron or Simmons. And no he isn't shutting down any elite wings either. No one does. He is a joke compared to guys like Tatum and Brown. You know the guys he will need win matchups against.

The fact that you think Mikal's best offensive role is to sit in a corner waiting for spot up opportunities tells me you don't know anything about his game.

Whatever. Obviouslty he can shoot from all over and that was just an example, but be still has to be set up. I know PLENTY about his game, but sure try discredit me because I don't want a role player ceiling prospect with our pick. If you want him on the Bulls too bad because it isn't happening...

You discredited yourself when you said that. It isn't like I put words in your mouth there, that's what you typed. Mikal isn't even first on my board at 7, if we pick someone else in that range then I trust Pax to have made the right decision. The thing is though, you can prop up other prospects and still think Mikal is excellent. I'm sorry I enjoy watching guys who not only possess the exact skill set that is currently a premium in the NBA, but have also shown actual basketball skills that contributed to actual basketball wins. The only area of Mikal's game that isn't a plus right now is his ability to create in isolation. His potential is closer to Boston Ray Allen than Ariza or Tony Freaking Snell like we have people saying.

[DroseReturnChi]

A 22 year old that can become a quality starter in Year 1 is not old. What's the difference if that 19 year old takes 2 years to become a quality starter? Mikal gives us solid production individually and makes us a better TEAM immediately due to his defensive abilities. He makes Lavine and Lauri better. He would be a highly efficient 3rd option scorer that doesn't demand the ball. A perfect team player, willing to do whatever it takes for the TEAM to be successful. That's the kind of player I'd want on my squad. None of the players in this draft are going to put us into the Finals in 2 years. Those players come around once or twice a generation. For the purposes of our timeline it is only important that the players we get in this Draft make us better. Mikal does that. Carter would do that too, just not as quickly. What Gar Pax has to do is make us better with the perception that we are a team ascending with a good young core. The key is to make the Bulls attractive to high quality free agents that could put us over the top. I'm looking toward the 2019 and 2020 crop of potential free agents. Lots of teams are not going to be able to be players in future free agency because their salary cap is eaten alive by huge albatross contracts. The Bulls will be in a position to compete for guys because we will have the wallet to do so. But we also have to look like we could compete in the East with a few key additions. Guys want money but they also want a chance to win.

I think it depends on how the Bulls new core is viewed in terms of willing to take risks on NBA prospects. Honestly, I think the overall roster is pretty badly constructed and would have been unwatchable if Lauri wasn't on the team. But the Bulls were able to get a future 2nd option on a championship level team by taking huge risks w/o even making him do private workouts. Getting another number 1/2 option draft prospect is very crucial in terms of championship team building and let's say we take massive risks and draft an ultimate boom/bust type in Trae/ MPJ. If one of them becomes that Robin to Lauri's batman, then your rebuilding is pretty much complete. Worst case scenario, the Bulls tank another year for a guaranteed top 5 pick if the 2018 pick becomes a bust and draft one of those elite wing prospects. My fear is Mikal and Carter will be good enough to put the Bulls on a borderline playoff team and end up keep drafting Valentine's which is the whole reason why Butler was traded. Also, it's really unrealistic to strike gold on free agency considering teams upcoming perennial contenders in Boston, Philly, Utah all built their roster from scratch via draft. After all, Anthony Davis is not coming to Chicago unless Mikal is on Tatum's level. This is even considering conceding to your point and Mikal does become a 3rd option but at the end of the day doesnt even matter unless he becomes a key player by 2020. No tier 1 FA is going to play for a team that doesnt have a solid foundation since all they care about is rings.

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Sounds like June 6th then...

Why is he doing a Pro Day if the fix is in with the Bulls? Aren't "Pro Days" generally open to all scouts? I would have expected news of a meeting/workout for the Bulls alone if all the speculation is true.

I agree. I think this is a strong signal against the theory that the Bulls and Porter are working together to get him to Chicago.

Who knows though. Maybe he will cancel right before the date due to some minor injury and the whole setting it up is part of the fix, lol. Teams will surely assume he doesn't have a promise if he has a pro day.

edit - I will say that it is probably really important to keep it a secret if the Bulls and Porter are working together. If other teams figure it out then they are likely to piece together that their has been a lot of misinformation lately and that his medicals look good. They know the Bulls are not stupid, so if word gets out that a promise is in place, I think a team would be more likely to take a risk on him before the Bulls pick. Also, if word got out about a promise, another team that covets Porter would know they need to target the 6th pick in a trade. Maybe they feel a pro day is necessary to prevent teams from guessing that he has a promise, because if he just shuts everything down and doesn't show himself to any team, teams will then know he has a promise or else has a heck of a lot to hide and wants a team to take a risk on him due to his high school hype.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Maybe we’re looking for our upside pick in the wrong place.

How about we take Mikal at 7, get 14 from the Nugs and take Zhaire Smith, and then take Josh Okogie at 22? Those last two have big time upside.

And even if they don’t end up being stars, they will likely be good wings.


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get 14 from Nuggets how,with what?

With cap space and perhaps a back up PG. There have been reports that Nugs would be willing to give away 14 if someone will take Faried’s contract.
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Soo basically Grant or Payne for Faried and 14? I highly doubt Nugs would do that..

[poolshark52]

Memphis:”Where do you see yourself in 5 Years?”
MPJ: “In your wife...”

Orlando: “What’s your best quality?”
MPJ: “Cheesburger”

Dallas: “Do you think you could lead a franchise?”
MPJ: “dO yOu tHiNk cOuLd lEaD a fRanChIse?”

Sacramento: "How can you help us build a winning mentality here?"
MPJ: "Oh, my aching back!"

[Leslie Forman]

I'd be all over trading 7 to LAC for 12+13 and then picking up 14 from Denver and then just taking WIIIIIINGZZZZZZZ with all of those picks and 22.

At least one of those four would have to end up being really good, right? Right?

[Betta Bulleavit]

I'd be all over trading 7 to LAC for 12+13 and then picking up 14 from Denver and then just taking WIIIIIINGZZZZZZZ with all of those picks and 22.

At least one of those four would have to end up being really good, right? Right?

That’s a lot of bullets to spend just looking for one hit though. I mean, at some point, you have to ask yourself where the minutes are going to come from to really find out what you have in each one. So I’d be very much against that idea.

Having said that, I’m not opposed to trading back if it meant us getting Smith, Sexton and a Huerter.

[bad knees]

You guys have to think outside the box. Mikal bridges is a solid but I'm not drafting him 7th. You can get a mikal bridges caliber player in the 10-35 range

Also,say lauri bulks up and gets some lower body strength by age 23-24 he can post up,box out and play more physical.What happens when you draft carter who is a 5 in the nba? Then what? You have a player in lauri who can play the 4 and 5

Vs small ball line ups where does carter play?

you have a mismatch because lauri is 7 footer who can post up/shoot over any switches & can defend vs a small ball lineup.What purpose does wendell carter serve then?

We just watched a finals game where both teams in it didn't even really use a 5 at all. They using guys like draymond, tristan and Kevin love who would historically be 4s at 5, so in this draft unless a special big drops which imo is only ayton or bamba, you go wing, which is porter jr or bridges. Guys like georgi dieng and thon maker are riding pine based on how the league is shaping up, in this day you go wing imo.

Now if bamba is there, then you def take him.

Imo though, mpj and bridges will be there and gar pax will draft carter, just to try and be the smartest people in the room. This board will melt down.

Given the way the NBA is going these days, my latest outside-the-box thought on a 5 for the Bulls is Keita Bates-Diop.

6'8.5" in shoes
7'3.25" wingspan
224 pounds
Can score at all three levels, and can guard wings
1.6 blocks per game last year

Seems like the Suns are having the same thought.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/31/17411110/keita-bates-diop-chimezie-metu-ohio-state-buckeyes-usc-trojans-2018-nba-draft-phoenix-suns-workout

[TheSuzerain]

I'd be all over trading 7 to LAC for 12+13 and then picking up 14 from Denver and then just taking WIIIIIINGZZZZZZZ with all of those picks and 22.

At least one of those four would have to end up being really good, right? Right?

right

[nomorezorro]

that probably works better in theory than it does in practice

although finding playing time for four rookies would be a good way to ensure we tank next year

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get 14 from Nuggets how,with what?

With cap space and perhaps a back up PG. There have been reports that Nugs would be willing to give away 14 if someone will take Faried’s contract.
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Soo basically Grant or Payne for Faried and 14? I highly doubt Nugs would do that..

That's what the report was, but I agree it seems a bit too good of a deal for the Bulls. Plus teams like Atlanta and Dallas would be competing with us. Faried is one of six PFs that the Nugs have on their roster. Maybe if we take on another of their relatively useless PFs, like Darrell Arthur, they would bite. Faried and Arthur are both expiring this year; their total salary is $21.2 M. If we took both, the Nugs would have enough space to sign a decent FA, as well as re-sign Barton. It would appear that they are in win now mode.

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Sounds like June 6th then...

Why is he doing a Pro Day if the fix is in with the Bulls? Aren't "Pro Days" generally open to all scouts? I would have expected news of a meeting/workout for the Bulls alone if all the speculation is true.

I agree. I think this is a strong signal against the theory that the Bulls and Porter are working together to get him to Chicago.

Who knows though. Maybe he will cancel right before the date due to some minor injury and the whole setting it up is part of the fix, lol. Teams will surely assume he doesn't have a promise if he has a pro day.

edit - I will say that it is probably really important to keep it a secret if the Bulls and Porter are working together. If other teams figure it out then they are likely to piece together that their has been a lot of misinformation lately and that his medicals look good. They know the Bulls are not stupid, so if word gets out that a promise is in place, I think a team would be more likely to take a risk on him before the Bulls pick. Also, if word got out about a promise, another team that covets Porter would know they need to target the 6th pick in a trade. Maybe they feel a pro day is necessary to prevent teams from guessing that he has a promise, because if he just shuts everything down and doesn't show himself to any team, teams will then know he has a promise or else has a heck of a lot to hide and wants a team to take a risk on him due to his high school hype.

Oh, the intrigue.

Perhaps the simplest answer is that there is no fix, and that Porter needs to show the world that his back is okay.

[Proven_Winner]

You guys have to think outside the box. Mikal bridges is a solid but I'm not drafting him 7th. You can get a mikal bridges caliber player in the 10-35 range

Also,say lauri bulks up and gets some lower body strength by age 23-24 he can post up,box out and play more physical.What happens when you draft carter who is a 5 in the nba? Then what? You have a player in lauri who can play the 4 and 5

Vs small ball line ups where does carter play?

you have a mismatch because lauri is 7 footer who can post up/shoot over any switches & can defend vs a small ball lineup.What purpose does wendell carter serve then?

We just watched a finals game where both teams in it didn't even really use a 5 at all. They using guys like draymond, tristan and Kevin love who would historically be 4s at 5, so in this draft unless a special big drops which imo is only ayton or bamba, you go wing, which is porter jr or bridges. Guys like georgi dieng and thon maker are riding pine based on how the league is shaping up, in this day you go wing imo.

Now if bamba is there, then you def take him.

Imo though, mpj and bridges will be there and gar pax will draft carter, just to try and be the smartest people in the room. This board will melt down.

Given the way the NBA is going these days, my latest outside-the-box thought on a 5 for the Bulls is Keita Bates-Diop.

6'8.5" in shoes
7'3.25" wingspan
224 pounds
Can score at all three levels, and can guard wings
1.6 blocks per game last year

Seems like the Suns are having the same thought.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/31/17411110/keita-bates-diop-chimezie-metu-ohio-state-buckeyes-usc-trojans-2018-nba-draft-phoenix-suns-workout

That seems kind of out of context though. The guy said if situations allow it he could see him playing C but not every game or even as a natural position. Definitely an interesting pick though at 22.

[bad knees]

We just watched a finals game where both teams in it didn't even really use a 5 at all. They using guys like draymond, tristan and Kevin love who would historically be 4s at 5, so in this draft unless a special big drops which imo is only ayton or bamba, you go wing, which is porter jr or bridges. Guys like georgi dieng and thon maker are riding pine based on how the league is shaping up, in this day you go wing imo.

Now if bamba is there, then you def take him.

Imo though, mpj and bridges will be there and gar pax will draft carter, just to try and be the smartest people in the room. This board will melt down.

Given the way the NBA is going these days, my latest outside-the-box thought on a 5 for the Bulls is Keita Bates-Diop.

6'8.5" in shoes
7'3.25" wingspan
224 pounds
Can score at all three levels, and can guard wings
1.6 blocks per game last year

Seems like the Suns are having the same thought.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/31/17411110/keita-bates-diop-chimezie-metu-ohio-state-buckeyes-usc-trojans-2018-nba-draft-phoenix-suns-workout

That seems kind of out of context though. The guy said if situations allow it he could see him playing C but not every game or even as a natural position. Definitely an interesting pick though at 22.

You can't go with a small 5 on a regular basis all season because they get beat up. Just when it matters.

Here's a comparison between Keita and Draymond, two seniors who came out of the Big 10. Keita is longer and better at offense, Draymond is better at passing and defense, but overall pretty similar.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=keita-bates-diop--draymond-green

[holv03]

Why is he doing a Pro Day if the fix is in with the Bulls? Aren't "Pro Days" generally open to all scouts? I would have expected news of a meeting/workout for the Bulls alone if all the speculation is true.

I agree. I think this is a strong signal against the theory that the Bulls and Porter are working together to get him to Chicago.

Who knows though. Maybe he will cancel right before the date due to some minor injury and the whole setting it up is part of the fix, lol. Teams will surely assume he doesn't have a promise if he has a pro day.

edit - I will say that it is probably really important to keep it a secret if the Bulls and Porter are working together. If other teams figure it out then they are likely to piece together that their has been a lot of misinformation lately and that his medicals look good. They know the Bulls are not stupid, so if word gets out that a promise is in place, I think a team would be more likely to take a risk on him before the Bulls pick. Also, if word got out about a promise, another team that covets Porter would know they need to target the 6th pick in a trade. Maybe they feel a pro day is necessary to prevent teams from guessing that he has a promise, because if he just shuts everything down and doesn't show himself to any team, teams will then know he has a promise or else has a heck of a lot to hide and wants a team to take a risk on him due to his high school hype.

Oh, the intrigue.

Perhaps the simplest answer is that there is no fix, and that Porter needs to show the world that his back is okay.

Pro day could be for a lot of reason. It could be to show off some off his skills and that he is healthy. Either way teams won't draft him if he doesn't provide his medical records which happens to be the case with the Kings and Memphis so far. I am not sure what other teams have been denied the medicals but his agent is handling all that stuff. They have a plan and I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing.

Bulls like Porter Jr BUT let's also remember that John Paxson likes Bamba also. One of the reasons why he is getting the first workout for us today. Carter is rising in the draft boards and could end up being our pick also. It all depends on who is available at #7 because we really can't control what any other team does. Bamba most likely will end up in Dallas but that could also end up being Carter. So well see how the draft starts taking shape as the draft night gets near. I will be posting things I hear but it doesn't mean that they will happen and I hope that everyone understands that.

[thewraith]

I've seen Young interview a few times and to me it's like he doesn't even know how to speak. He has talent but I rather have Carter, Porter or Mamba.

Ok, so he talks like he has peanut butter stuck on the roof of his mouth. So what? It's just a small lisp he has. As long as he can play, who cares how he sounds like.

A person ability to articulate his thoughts can tell a lot about his intelligence on and off the court.

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[Proven_Winner]

Given the way the NBA is going these days, my latest outside-the-box thought on a 5 for the Bulls is Keita Bates-Diop.

6'8.5" in shoes
7'3.25" wingspan
224 pounds
Can score at all three levels, and can guard wings
1.6 blocks per game last year

Seems like the Suns are having the same thought.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/5/31/17411110/keita-bates-diop-chimezie-metu-ohio-state-buckeyes-usc-trojans-2018-nba-draft-phoenix-suns-workout

That seems kind of out of context though. The guy said if situations allow it he could see him playing C but not every game or even as a natural position. Definitely an interesting pick though at 22.

You can't go with a small 5 on a regular basis all season because they get beat up. Just when it matters.

Here's a comparison between Keita and Draymond, two seniors who came out of the Big 10. Keita is longer and better at offense, Draymond is better at passing and defense.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=keita-bates-diop--draymond-green

Thing is what makes draymond so good is his energy and hustle. If Bates doesn’t have that any comparison to draymond or really any small ball 5 is worthless. Guys like melo could in theory play 5 but he’s too lazy to bang down there every time for boards. Marvin Williams, PJ, and even taj all these guys have similar is energy willing to be a pest even if the other guy is bigger.

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[Proven_Winner]

Ok, so he talks like he has peanut butter stuck on the roof of his mouth. So what? It's just a small lisp he has. As long as he can play, who cares how he sounds like.

A person ability to articulate his thoughts can tell a lot about his intelligence on and off the court.

Expletive outta here

Just wanted to say people can have thoughts but not now how to articulate it to someone and thus might fumble around thinking how to get someone else to understand. Also it’s life we’re all not the same and thus speak different but if you understand the gist of what someone is saying then you shouldn’t care how they speak because at that point you’re just being an ass because someone doesn’t talk the way you like or learned.