tlifeset wrote:I enjoyed that you traded Ingram to dump Deng, but then miraculously he ends up back on our roster next year. That's some Jedi BS right there.
A few thoughts...
-The team doesn't want Randle. If you can't see the writing on the wall (attempted to trade him before season and during season, Luke has ripped him, doesn't fit our system because he can't shoot, drafted by the previous administration and his agent saying his client isn't a priority for LAL)... then open your eyes. He gone.
-If we're trading Ingram to dump Deng then you're crazy if you don't think we're getting something in return back. I look at it as two options: 1) Lebron needs another proven player beyond just PG13 that we trade for i.e. CJ McCollum or sign with more cap space i.e. Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley or 2) Lebron and PG13 want to get paid the full max no matter what, in which case the trade would be for a less expensive asset i.e. Ingram, Deng, #25 and future to PHX for #1 pick (prob not happening, but you get my point). BUT there are only a few teams that could accommodate that: Phx, Atl, Sac and maybe Indy.
-I wouldn't worry too much about the rest of the roster. The reality is that there's not a ton of teams with cap space... so there are going to be quite a few players available on the cheap because of the cap predicament but also to play with a contender like LAL. Believe me, there are always the proverbial James Poseys out there.
*reads through own post again*
Wut? Where did i say i was trading Ingram to dump Deng? I think youre trying to respond to so many posts you're getting posters mixed up. I'm trading future FRPs and cash to get rid of Deng to 1st team with cap that bites. Also you're multiposting like crazy, instead of making seperate posts just cut out the bits of a post that youre responding and condense it to 1 monster. Like in my imaginary post you coulda cut out the "trade Ingram + Deng" part and lambaste me.
Randle has no trade value, as evidence by the lack of takers in the trade deadline. Any team interested in him will just try to sign him in FA and contenders should be smart enough to know his game is best coming off the bench and not as a starter. I'm willing to keep him just cuz i'm confident he's coming back for cheap or not at all. Hell i'm only willing to overpay him if its a mandatory condition demanded by LBJ/PG13 to come and join us. By having his RFA Birds rights we can go over the cap space in retaining Randle after inking LBJ/PG13 BUT ONLY IF we dump Deng for pure cap with nothing coming back.
It's a hard sell to get rid of Deng and get back only cap, but if Maginka can pull it off the amount of money saved gives us so many options mainly in retaining Randle's RFA status to scare off other teams from overpaying him and for us to keep him on the cheap.
Currently we only have 5 teams actively wanting to open up cap, reduce tax burden, and willing to trade future FRP.
HOU - Ryno, Gordon, Tucker, Nene, Onuaku, ZhouQi
HOU needs to find team(s) willing to eat Ryno + Gordon or Gordon + all those other dudes in a LBJ optin and trade. CLE wants no part in ANY salary coming back as theyre already deep in repeater tax land. A deal like LBJ for Ryno + Gordon + 3 FRP is bad for CLE cuz they'll be paying like 75 mil in repeater taxes on Ryno + Gordon's salary. Even on the off chance they find a team willing to eat Gordon for pure cap space (if i were another team why would i, i'd want assets to help them out), theyll still need to pay 40-45 mil in repeater tax for Ryno alone. Thus any deal involving CLE means THEY GET AS LITTLE SALARY BACK AS POSSIBLE otherwise they're better off just trading Lebron and pocket the savings. Also any picks HOU sends out will be in the 29-30 range meaning its bottom value in regards to FRP value, as adding Lebron means they're gonna bring everyone back (CP3, Capella) and easily be a 60+ win team.
WAS - Mahinmi, Porter
They're so deep in tax land without a contending team it's straight nasty. Mahinmi is a notch below Deng in albatross as he makes about 3 mil less per season. Porter is a good player, but good lord he's paid like an up and coming superstar, the Nets **** em over real good, doubtful they'll trade him. WAS desperately wants to dump Mahinmi at the least and it'll cost at least 2 FRP, problem is, they're not gonna be back of 1st round 27-30 range, WAS is more in the 18-25 range which makes losing/trading those 1st a lot more painful, as you can with good scouting get good young cheap cost controlled talent in that range.
POR - Turner, Leonard, Harkness
Despite finishing as a #3 seed, they're more of an imposter with the fall of SAS and MEM playoff machines. They finished with a nice record but theyre not true contenders and they're deep in the tax. Despite dumping Crabbe off onto Nets, they still got 2 horrendous deals they'd love to purge, and an upcoming big payday for Nurkic. POR is another team that'd try to dump Turner for a FRP but more likely 2, otherwise they'll be super deep in the tax after paying Nurkic, or risk losing him for nothing.
PHI - Bayless
PHI just needs to dump Bayless expiring 8 mil deal and they open up a max slot. PHI imho is the true biggest threat to us as they have a better young core atm and is ready made for a lone superstar to take em to the next level. I was hoping Colangelo sticks around to keep giving em the stink of his stupidity but if PHI wisely cans his ass, they're right back in it, in regards to chasing FAs. If PHI is willing to attach a future FRP its the easiest salary dump on the list.
LAL - Deng
The teams above are who we have to compete with in trying to dump Deng. Our assets outgoing need to be more attractive thus there will be a minor bidding war with the teams with cap space. Like i keep harping, how much are we willing to give up? The lower bound is as i keep parroting, 2018 CLE 1st + 2020 LAL 1st + 5 mil. Will Maginka go over the top and offer a 3rd FRP if we get a promise from LBJ/PG13?
